Pocket handgun for coyotes?

fzr confused · Post by **fzr confused** » 19 Feb 2013, 11:02

I just recently moved and also got a new puppy. The other night she was barking at 2:30am and I figured she had to go to the bathroom. I take her out and she ends up chasing 2 coyotes away! I guess she heard them from inside and wanted them gone, I don't know. So it got my thinking that I need a new pocket gun. I have a p3at and an lcp, but those are spoken for with other duties. I was thinking either a pf9, lc9 or maybe a p22? Not sure if the 22 would be the best round for the job? I know it would work, but not as effectively as the 9mm.

PainKillaX · Post by **PainKillaX** » 19 Feb 2013, 11:11

I am now a huge fan of the XD-S, if you wanted to punch a big hole in the yotes. You could also try waiting for the 9mm version if that's your fancy.

Post by **blueorison** » 19 Feb 2013, 11:40

PF9.

I can't recommend many other pocket 9's, as they are either unsafe (too many safeties-Ruger) or overpriced (Kahr).

srt-4_jon · Post by **srt-4_jon** » 19 Feb 2013, 11:49

sig 938

fzr confused · Post by **fzr confused** » 19 Feb 2013, 12:26

I really want an xds too, but figured for this purpose a 45 might be a bit much, too much over pen for an approx 45-50lb dog.

srt-4_jon · Post by **srt-4_jon** » 19 Feb 2013, 12:31

penetration has more to do with ammo selection than caliber selection.

fzr confused · Post by **fzr confused** » 19 Feb 2013, 12:36

True, but I'm pretty sure a light load of 45acp will still go right through it. I want an xds for my pocket, just maybe not coyotes lol.

Vortec MAX · Post by **Vortec MAX** » 19 Feb 2013, 13:04

I remember the Gov. of Texas telling a story about dispatching a coyote with his Crimson Trace equipped LCP while jogging. So... apparently, they work.

Mike

Website · Post by **jgreenberg01** » 19 Feb 2013, 13:05

Sure, if you want to believe a politician... :p

fzr confused · Post by **fzr confused** » 19 Feb 2013, 13:11

I know the lcp would work, it worked on a 125+lb dog a few years back. But that is on my gf's bike pouch, would hate to take it from there and not put it back and her be without it.

nrv216 · Post by **nrv216** » 19 Feb 2013, 14:58

If it were legal, I would carry my pf9 in the woods while walking my dog. Lots of coyotes around lately.

nrv216

fzr confused · Post by **fzr confused** » 21 Feb 2013, 15:34

what about a kahr cm40? anyone shoot one? hows the trigger?

flyingirish04 · Post by **flyingirish04** » 21 Feb 2013, 16:08

Hell a 22 at close range will drop a coyote just fine. Plenty of pocket 22s.

fzr confused · Post by **fzr confused** » 21 Feb 2013, 18:19

That's what I was originally asking, if a 22lr would be a good choice. I like the p22, it's a fun little shooter. I'm not going hunting for these things, the longest distance would be ~6ft (length of leash).

NLVMike · Post by **NLVMike** » 21 Feb 2013, 19:32

A 22lr is plenty.

fd57 · Post by **fd57** » 21 Feb 2013, 19:43

Why not a FSN? Flat trajectory and ease of follow up shots.

fzr confused · Post by **fzr confused** » 21 Feb 2013, 20:33

something about the FsN and not fitting comfortably in my pocket of my basketball shorts...

srt-4_jon · Post by **srt-4_jon** » 21 Feb 2013, 23:59

The p22 is a terrible gun.
Id rather a Beretta 21A

Post by **blueorison** » 22 Feb 2013, 00:17

fzr confused wrote:That's what I was originally asking, if a 22lr would be a good choice. I like the p22, it's a fun little shooter. I'm not going hunting for these things, the longest distance would be ~6ft (length of leash).

It is very fun. However, for a supposed "more accurate design" of a "fixed barrel", it is the most inaccurate .22LR I have shot, to date.

And it is released by a major mfg. Disappointing.

It is, however, one of the most fun .22LRs I have ever shot. I have shot many (the majority of .22LR platforms on the market).

foxcurry · Post by **foxcurry** » 22 Feb 2013, 03:12

Coyotes don't have pockets!

:laugh:

fzr confused · Post by **fzr confused** » 22 Feb 2013, 05:02

Well I will just have to find me a pf9 online and have it shipped to my dealer. He said it would be awhile before they got any in.

Post by **c1demo** » 22 Feb 2013, 11:58

The perfect handgun

fzr confused · Post by **fzr confused** » 22 Feb 2013, 13:07

I have only shot the p22 a few times and ice enjoyed it, never had any firing problems. Are they reliable? That is the biggest need here for me. Accuracy I don't care all that much about since it will be very close range.

Post by **Rapier1772** » 22 Feb 2013, 13:11

c1demo wrote:The perfect handgun

Except the foregrip makes it an AOW :laugh:

srt-4_jon · Post by **srt-4_jon** » 22 Feb 2013, 19:41

fzr confused wrote:I have only shot the p22 a few times and ice enjoyed it, never had any firing problems. Are they reliable? That is the biggest need here for me. Accuracy I don't care all that much about since it will be very close range.

Google p22 cracked slide. They are made of crap metal and not built to last.

Oldbindlestiff · Post by **Oldbindlestiff** » 23 Feb 2013, 07:13

Well, on a serious note, you could look at the Charter Arms revolver in 9mm.

fzr confused · Post by **fzr confused** » 24 Feb 2013, 12:49

well last night i went to gander and was looking around. i just about bought a north american arms 22mag, but ended up picking up the lc9. they had a pretty good deal on it, i got it and a box of ammo out the door for just under 400. i feel that is a fair price seeing as online was just about that much plus shipping and ffl transfer fees. i would have preferred the pf9, but i can pick that up later if i dont like this one.

Post by **blueorison** » 24 Feb 2013, 21:10

fzr confused wrote:well last night i went to gander and was looking around. i just about bought a north american arms 22mag, but ended up picking up the lc9. they had a pretty good deal on it, i got it and a box of ammo out the door for just under 400. i feel that is a fair price seeing as online was just about that much plus shipping and ffl transfer fees. i would have preferred the pf9, but i can pick that up later if i dont like this one.

Glad you found a gun!

I've been asked the same question you asked on this forum, and now those askers are searching for PF9's in Texas.

I would have recommended the Ruger as a 2nd. But it has a manual safety.

fzr confused · Post by **fzr confused** » 25 Feb 2013, 06:32

Yea, the safety will never (intentionally) be used.

The pf9 does look a lot nicer in a "it won't slip out of my hand" kinda way.

Vortec MAX · Post by **Vortec MAX** » 25 Feb 2013, 12:30

fzr confused wrote:I have only shot the p22 a few times and ice enjoyed it, never had any firing problems. Are they reliable? That is the biggest need here for me. Accuracy I don't care all that much about since it will be very close range.

You went shooting with Vanilla Ice? I thought he had a "9."

Mike

flyingirish04 · Post by **flyingirish04** » 25 Feb 2013, 14:40

FWIW, I have had nothing but great experiences with P22. Feeds as much ammo as MkII does. No problems with wear. My sister has one, I own one, my dad has one.

Post by **blueorison** » 25 Feb 2013, 15:20

fzr confused wrote:I have only shot the p22 a few times and ice enjoyed it, never had any firing problems. Are they reliable? That is the biggest need here for me. Accuracy I don't care all that much about since it will be very close range.

If you don't care at all about accuracy; I'd recommend the P22. It is not picky on ammo, the trigger is fun, as is shooting the gun, because the ergos are really awesome.

It loads just like a 9mm, and the only difference is the mag release, which isn't an issue.

If they came out with an aftermarket or factory fix to the accuracy, I'd get one in a heartbeat.

Post by **panzermk2** » 25 Feb 2013, 16:18

Polymer witness compact in 10mm would take care of them. They don't cost much more then the 22lr listed.

Virginian · Post by **Virginian** » 25 Feb 2013, 16:39

flyingirish04 wrote:FWIW, I have had nothing but great experiences with P22. Feeds as much ammo as MkII does. No problems with wear. My sister has one, I own one, my dad has one.

I have to agree with this statement. About 5,000 rounds through mine and not a single issue. Super fun to shoot and not too bad on the accuracy.

fzr confused · Post by **fzr confused** » 25 Feb 2013, 19:52

jay, while i LOVE my EAA and will gladly buy more, it did not fit this intention due to weight and size. i needed a small gun to fit in my pocket for late night "quick the dog is about to sh*t on the floor" moments. not ordinary carry where i can have it on my hip.

Post by **panzermk2** » 25 Feb 2013, 23:46

The witness compact is small. I would not consider it a hip gun. I have carried mine as a back up. Also the CZ RAMI in 9mm/40S&W are what I would consider a pocket gun.
I am a big guy but I have very small hands and very short fingers. My RAMI drops into my front pocket no issues. Witness poly compact is not much larger.

fzr confused · Post by **fzr confused** » 26 Feb 2013, 04:27

The witness poly on the EAA site says it is 11oz heavier unloaded (almost double), an inch longer, and a half inch wider. I carry my warthog (24oz) in my pocket all the time, but when I am wearing a belt, not so much in basketball shorts, I like to keep my pants above my @$$ lol

Hebs · Post by **Hebs** » 26 Feb 2013, 08:43

srt-4_jon wrote:sig 938

:agree: but if you can't find one... a sig 238 is a great pocket pistol... (I really want one of those 938's)

The Ruger SR22 is also a sweet piece... I use it as my snake gun for when I go putting around the swamp. It's fun to paddle up to them sunning on a branch and pop them off with it. Unlike the Walther... it's not picky on ammo. It eats anything you feed it and it's a fairly cheap gun.

JoJo · Post by **JoJo** » 26 Feb 2013, 13:13

Sig P938! Carry "cocked and locked". Pocket sized and I can actually hit a 6" circle at 10 yards with iron sights. For me, that is good shooting. Load up with Hornady "Critcal Defense" and the zombies ain't got a chance. Its not mine yet but I am saving my shekels.

My bud is retired green beret and normally will not talk about guns, shooting or Vietnam but the P938 is his carry gun. Funny, the gun store commandos talk your ear off.

2ndAMVa · Post by **2ndAMVa** » 05 Mar 2013, 22:23

IMHO:
Ruger LCR .22 magnum with Crimson Trace.
Load it with .22 magnum hollow points.
CT laser is good for night shooting. Zero CT laser at 25 yards.
The .22 mag has a flat trajectory and can reach out far.
It can hurt 2-legged "coyotes" also because it has better penetration than .22 LR, if that's a concern.
Revolver with .22 mag is more reliable than semi-auto with .22 LR.
Practice shooting at moving objects. The coyotes will not stand still like a paper target.

SpaceCoyote · Post by **SpaceCoyote** » 26 Mar 2013, 08:19

Vortec MAX wrote:I remember the Gov. of Texas telling a story about dispatching a coyote with his Crimson Trace equipped LCP while jogging. So... apparently, they work.

Mike

I better chime in here since y'all are talking about killing my earthly brethren.

As Mike said, Governor Perry used a Ruger LCP in the "lowly" .380 ACP. I think you guys are over-thinking all this. All of the things mentioned here should do the trick on Coyote as long as it goes bang & hits what you are aiming at. Coyotes are relatively small, thin skinned animals. They are also not generally a threat, unless you have small children or puppies around (which OP did).

What worries me more are canines of the (semi) domestic variety. The large pit-bull or the aggressive German Shepard down the road constitute a much more serious threat than the lowly Coyote. A 100+lb monstrous Pitbull might deserve a more serious conversation about stopping power, caliber & weapon choice than the 35lb Coyote.

BTW nice CZ collection Jay! Especially the 40B, what neat piece of CZ & Colt history. Also that RAMI marked 03' must be one of the first ones around.

fd57 · Post by **fd57** » 26 Mar 2013, 12:42

Yeah you can yell "BOO!" and healthy coyotes will head the other way if solo. If in a pack or sick, another tactic will be necessary.

Post by **panzermk2** » 26 Mar 2013, 18:22

Good point feral dog packs are a much bigger problem.

That 40b is a second production without Colt markings. Came with 2 sets of factory grips, CZ black rubber and those rosewood. Also came with a nice Don Hume belt slide. Looks heavy but the frame aluminum and is lightweight.

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