Savage 5.7x28 bolt

Vibe · Post by **Vibe** » 05 Nov 2010, 09:48

I lifted this info from another site...Actually surprised not to have seen it here first.

Just an FYI Savage is cataloging 2 new rifles chambered in 5.7x28. Part numbers 19144 and 19158. I have no other info on them at this point as they are not cataloged on the savage arms page and my distributors say nothing other than the part numbers and a dealer cost. Sound nice though. They are savage 25 frames.

http://www.thegunsource.com/item/500158 ... BL_Sy.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

flyingirish04 · Post by **flyingirish04** » 05 Nov 2010, 09:54

Nice!

Post by **f3rr37** » 05 Nov 2010, 09:58

Its about time!

PainKillaX · Post by **PainKillaX** » 05 Nov 2010, 10:52

Oh no...

Post by **jmz5** » 05 Nov 2010, 11:21

Very cool, I have two savage rifles and love them both. I will definitely be getting one when they come out.

srt-4_jon · Post by **srt-4_jon** » 05 Nov 2010, 13:25

Its the reloader's answer to the 17HMR. I love my Savage HMR but this looks like a must buy

PainKillaX · Post by **PainKillaX** » 05 Nov 2010, 13:39

So this brings our total 5.7x28 choices to...Nine?

Post by **Esteves** » 05 Nov 2010, 19:55

Nice!

PainKillaX wrote:So this brings our total 5.7x28 choices to...Nine?

More than that if you count the things that weren't commercialized. More than that if you count all the fiddly variations.

PainKillaX · Post by **PainKillaX** » 05 Nov 2010, 20:20

Esteves wrote:Nice!

PainKillaX wrote:So this brings our total 5.7x28 choices to...Nine?
More than that if you count the things that weren't commercialized. More than that if you count all the fiddly variations.

I'm thinking:
1)PS90
2)FiveseveN
3)T/C Contender
4)AR57
5)Excel Arms X-5.7R
6)EA X-5.7P
7)EA MR-5.7
8)EA MP-5.7
9)Savage (and it says 2 versions, so maybe 10?)

fzr confused · Post by **fzr confused** » 05 Nov 2010, 22:05

o man, this is going to hit the top of my list real quick!!

Post by **jmz5** » 06 Nov 2010, 05:15

I just looked, that one has a 24 inch BBL, that's a lot longer than I would like. Hopefully the other one has a 16-20inch barrel.

buckett · Post by **buckett** » 06 Nov 2010, 15:42

Nice!

Virginian · Post by **Virginian** » 06 Nov 2010, 16:28

Sweet!

DmL5 · Post by **DmL5** » 06 Nov 2010, 18:53

Good to hear. Thanks for the update.

DmL5 · Post by **DmL5** » 06 Nov 2010, 18:53

jmz5 wrote:I just looked, that one has a 24 inch BBL, that's a lot longer than I would like. Hopefully the other one has a 16-20inch barrel.

Here is the Gun Source link for the other rifle, ID 19144:

http://www.thegunsource.com/item/500152 ... Thumb.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Savage 19144 25 LW Varminter-T 5.7x28 24" BBL Thumbhole Stock Blue - $642.99

srt-4_jon · Post by **srt-4_jon** » 22 Nov 2010, 16:11

anyone know of any updates on this?

Post by **panzermk2** » 23 Nov 2010, 07:36

I contacted them and was blown off.

srt-4_jon · Post by **srt-4_jon** » 23 Nov 2010, 13:16

well poop

Bones · Post by **Bones** » 23 Nov 2010, 14:29

Damn! I was excited! We should all send them Emails so they can see that there is a market for their product! Hell I am going to now. I want one.

Post by **panzermk2** » 23 Nov 2010, 20:27

Bones wrote:Damn! I was excited! We should all send them Emails so they can see that there is a market for their product! Hell I am going to now. I want one.

OH they are going to make them. What I mean is one of my industry contacts put me in touch with his at Savage. When I introduced myself and stated I would love to send them some of our ammo and that with a bolt the door is flung open on loads and that I would like to develop some loads tailored to their rifle.

I was told my info would be passed on and hung up on. Funny he never asked for my info.

Savage acted the opposite of Excel Arms. So you can bet Excel Arms will get tailor made EA loads before Savage.

Post by **blueorison** » 23 Nov 2010, 20:49

Well, I guess I'll just sit here, and think about optimized 18" bbl burn rates for the custom EA loads in the Excel Arms' rifle.

srt-4_jon · Post by **srt-4_jon** » 11 Dec 2010, 07:23

Savage updated their site. When you click "gun finder", click caliber, and now they have 5.7x28 listed. Nothing shows up but they added the caliber so that is a good start.

buckett · Post by **buckett** » 11 Dec 2010, 16:39

I just had to go and check it out. Nothing up there still, but it's an option.

Vibe · Post by **Vibe** » 12 Dec 2010, 07:17

http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/25+LVT" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Bones · Post by **Bones** » 12 Dec 2010, 07:25

The buy it now function says its not avail!

Big Ryan · Post by **Big Ryan** » 11 Jan 2011, 10:52

It would be almost as cheap just to go ahead and buy a savage Edge/Axis in 223 at walmart for $275, Get a sako extractor so the bolt face would work properly, and then Call Dan at Mcgowen Precision, and have him make you a 5.7x28 barrel for $215. Savages are so easy to rebarrel, all you would need is a set of Go No-Go gauges, and a wheeler action wrench. Then add a $84 Rifle Basix trigger. So for around $600 you would have one heck of a nice custom bolt gun. I just finished my own savage edge/axis project, and lets just say Im very pleased, my next one is already in the works. Here's my write up. Cheers, Big Ryan http://www.brtradingfort.com/apps/forum ... -a-budget-" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

flyingirish04 · Post by **flyingirish04** » 11 Jan 2011, 12:03

I don't like the fugly LV-T. I went with the Walking Varminter. Ordered it yesterday for $440.

srt-4_jon · Post by **srt-4_jon** » 11 Jan 2011, 12:22

No matter how ugly they look, the thumbhole stocks feel so much better then the standard synthetic savage stock.

PainKillaX · Post by **PainKillaX** » 11 Jan 2011, 12:24

srt-4_jon wrote:No matter how ugly they look, the thumbhole stocks feel so much better then the standard synthetic savage stock.

Very true. I think thumbhole stocks look pretty fugly on almost any gun, but when I handle the rifle it feels great.

flyingirish04 · Post by **flyingirish04** » 11 Jan 2011, 12:39

I guess this is a case of to each their own. I LOATHE thumbhole stocks. I have owned them, and I can't ever find one that feels right. The Savage synthetic stocks are fine to me. Not great, but just fine.

SpaceCoyote · Post by **SpaceCoyote** » 15 Jan 2011, 19:39

jmz5 wrote:I just looked, that one has a 24 inch BBL, that's a lot longer than I would like. Hopefully the other one has a 16-20inch barrel.

Tornado tech has cut down to length & recrown services for $85 IIRC. I would have em thread it while it was there too.

flyingirish04 · Post by **flyingirish04** » 15 Jan 2011, 20:48

22 inches is the minimum I want. I really think it is perfect. That is what the Walking Varminter has.

Post by **Esteves** » 20 Jan 2011, 11:43

Savage is now advertising:
http://www.savagearms.com/news/article/?id=7gGoX0RZK" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Savage's website wrote:
Model 25 Walking Varminter: Savage expands its popular line of Model 25 lightweight varmint guns with the Synthetic-stocked Walking Varminter, which weighs in at less than 7 lbs. Like other models in the Model 25 lineup, it features a trimmed-down reduced-diameter action made specifically for the smaller calibers that are so popular to varmint shooters. It also has a medium-contour barrel, AccuTrigger and a detachable box magazine. The Walking Varminter also brings several new calibers to the Model 25 lineup. Calibers include the traditional 223 Rem. And 204 Ruger. New calibers are 22 Hornet, 222 Rem., and 5.7 x 28. Suggested Retail $551

srt-4_jon · Post by **srt-4_jon** » 18 Feb 2011, 21:37

flyingirish04 wrote:I don't like the fugly LV-T. I went with the Walking Varminter. Ordered it yesterday for $440.

Any update?

flyingirish04 · Post by **flyingirish04** » 18 Feb 2011, 23:18

No update yet. Supposed to be in this week 'at the latest' we will see.

fatherfoof · Post by **fatherfoof** » 19 Feb 2011, 05:36

I'm running out of room in the safe and out of things to tell the wife why a new firearm is NEEDED.

robert2035 · Post by **robert2035** » 10 Mar 2011, 15:54

-Savage Arms : Model 25 Walking Varmintor in 5.7
-Excel Arms is introducing 4 new models with the 5.7 round as well.

http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/25WV" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.excelarms.com/newproducts.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

flyingirish04 · Post by **flyingirish04** » 10 Mar 2011, 16:44

Might want to use the search button. Been covered months ago. Thanks for sharing though.

flyingirish04 · Post by **flyingirish04** » 10 Mar 2011, 18:43

Oh, there ya go, MERGED!

stonget · Post by **stonget** » 29 Mar 2011, 10:59

New to the forum but have had an FN FiveSeven for a couple of years now and have looked at the AR57. I ordered the Model 25 Walking Varminter in 5.7 x 28. Now looking for recommendations on scope power. The new Vortex Viper HS 2.5 - 10 looks nice. Planned use is target shooting and varmint hunting. Does anyone have suggestions? Anyone actually received and shot one of the rifles yet? Thanks.

drinksabit · Post by **drinksabit** » 29 Mar 2011, 13:05

http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/25WV

I guess 4 shots is okay with a bolt action. I kinda like this gun... if I wanted bolt action. I've never owned a Savage that I liked, but this looks real nice. I would like to shoot it before I bought it. I would be tempted to buy a scope that cost 2 or 3 times what the rifle is selling for. And, a sling of course.

$449 at :
http://www.thegunsandgearstore.com/mode ... 23656.html

flyingirish04 · Post by **flyingirish04** » 29 Mar 2011, 13:17

No need for a scope that costs $1500 bucks. This round will be a 600 yard max range round. You can get a 6.5-20x50mm that will be plenty, heck a a 4.5-14 would be plenty for the range of this round in that gun. You could get a Leupold VX-3 for 500 bucks and have more than enough glass. I am putting a Vortex Diamondback 4-12 on mine, and that may be overkill. I just wanted to try a Vortex scope of my own after shoot a few of my buddies, and I got one pretty cheap from my dealer.

Just hope the rifle comes in soon!!!

flyingirish04 · Post by **flyingirish04** » 29 Mar 2011, 13:19

stonget wrote:New to the forum but have had an FN FiveSeven for a couple of years now and have looked at the AR57. I ordered the Model 25 Walking Varminter in 5.7 x 28. Now looking for recommendations on scope power. The new Vortex Viper HS 2.5 - 10 looks nice. Planned use is target shooting and varmint hunting. Does anyone have suggestions? Anyone actually received and shot one of the rifles yet? Thanks.

Honestly, for Vortex, the Viper is a good choice, but for the price, their Diamondback is hard to beat. I would say it is better than a VX-II. The Viper is a little less than a VX-3 in my opinion.

stonget · Post by **stonget** » 29 Mar 2011, 18:37

Thanks for the quick replies and advice. I looked at the Diamondback and may lean that direction over the Viper. I would like to have a bit more magnification but trying to keep the scope reasonably sized because I live in the south so I'm not shooting tiny varmints at long range and this will be a walking rifle. It might be nice to have more than 10X, though. I have a Burris Timberline 4.5 - 14x on my Savage 17 HMR. Good scope but only 32 mm objective. I'm leaning toward something with a better view for the 5.7.

srt-4_jon · Post by **srt-4_jon** » 29 Mar 2011, 19:50

flyingirish04 wrote:No need for a scope that costs $1500 bucks. This round will be a 600 yard max range round. You can get a 6.5-20x50mm that will be plenty, heck a a 4.5-14 would be plenty for the range of this round in that gun. You could get a Leupold VX-3 for 500 bucks and have more than enough glass. I am putting a Vortex Diamondback 4-12 on mine, and that may be overkill. I just wanted to try a Vortex scope of my own after shoot a few of my buddies, and I got one pretty cheap from my dealer.

Just hope the rifle comes in soon!!!

600 yard range? 220 swift isn't even good out that far. Is there something I'm missing?

flyingirish04 · Post by **flyingirish04** » 29 Mar 2011, 19:54

srt-4_jon wrote:
flyingirish04 wrote:No need for a scope that costs $1500 bucks. This round will be a 600 yard max range round. You can get a 6.5-20x50mm that will be plenty, heck a a 4.5-14 would be plenty for the range of this round in that gun. You could get a Leupold VX-3 for 500 bucks and have more than enough glass. I am putting a Vortex Diamondback 4-12 on mine, and that may be overkill. I just wanted to try a Vortex scope of my own after shoot a few of my buddies, and I got one pretty cheap from my dealer.

Just hope the rifle comes in soon!!!
600 yard range? 220 swift isn't even good out that far.

Apparently a lot with your rifles. :laugh: Don't worry, I miss a lot too.

Sure the 220 swift is accurate and useful at that range. I have killed a coyote at 620 yards with a 220 swift. Didn't drop it dead, but it died after about a 100 yard run. Heck, I have shot a 223 that far and killed critters. Those are at the max ranges, and it won't kill much, but it will shoot accurately at that range. Just need good optics, DOPE (ballistics, correct windage adj), and a steady squeeze of the trigger. For this round, loaded hot enough like with an s4, it will reach 600 accurately, and with enough to kill a gopher for sure.

Steve Hanson, a world renowned varmint shooter has killed rock chucks out to 800 yards with a 222 remington consistently. Far less powerful than the Swift.

flyingirish04 · Post by **flyingirish04** » 29 Mar 2011, 19:56

stonget wrote:Thanks for the quick replies and advice. I looked at the Diamondback and may lean that direction over the Viper. I would like to have a bit more magnification but trying to keep the scope reasonably sized because I live in the south so I'm not shooting tiny varmints at long range and this will be a walking rifle. It might be nice to have more than 10X, though. I have a Burris Timberline 4.5 - 14x on my Savage 17 HMR. Good scope but only 32 mm objective. I'm leaning toward something with a better view for the 5.7.

If you go for the Viper, spend a bit more and go with a VX-3. I see no reason to get a non FFP 6-24x50 Viper. That is the only viper I would be interested in, and even then I have no use of IRs, so I will probably not go that route.

As far as objective, that won't give you any better 'view' It will gather more light, but for varmints where you hunt during the day, there really isn't any advantage to that. Using a 30mm tube however will give you more adjustment and versatility than the 1 incher. Clarity is dependent on quality of glass and lens coatings, not size of objective. Now if you are shooting more low light, then the larger objective does help, a bit, but not as much as the tube size.

stonget · Post by **stonget** » 30 Mar 2011, 18:56

Thanks for the clarification. I may need to rethink this. I am new to long range shooting, i.e. I don't do it now, so was thinking of this as a 200 yard hunting and target gun. It never dawned on me to shoot a 5.7 at 600 yds and, frankly, my head begins to spin every time I look at scopes. I appreciate how generous people are in helping me learn. So, a couple of questions:
1. Are there some general guidelines about scope power vs. distance, e.g. 10x if you plan to shoot 200 or 300 yds, 12x at 400, etc.?
2. At what distance or power does parallax become an issue such that you should look at an AO or side focus model?
I was leaning toward the 10x but now thinking about shooting longer distances and wondering if a 12x or 16x would be better. Growing up as a deer and squirrel hunter, that just seems like a lot of scope!

flyingirish04 · Post by **flyingirish04** » 30 Mar 2011, 20:28

Ok, this will be a lengthy response:

1. The 5.7 will largely be a 200 yard gun. My only point was that the round could reach to 600 and kill. It is in no way ideal. I would say that a 4-12 is probably as much as you need for that rifle. Generally, if you regularly shoot small varmints at 600 yards, you would want a 6.5-20x scope, but that is a big generality. It comes down to preference. So no, there really isn't a guideline. If you use higher powers, your target is larger in the scope, however the scope view more susceptible to mirage at higher powers, even with great glass. Also, your FOV is limited, and in hunting situations, too much magnification can cause you to lose the target as well.

I will use a 4-12x40 Vortex Diamondback on this one. I have a fixed 4x32 power Burris on my 10/22. I have a 4.5-14x50 GreyBull Precision (Custom Leupold) on my 6mm AI which is a 1000 yard coyote and smaller gun. I have a 3-9x40 Leupold VX-II LR on my 308, another of the same on my 7mm Mag, those are 800 yard or less big game rifle set ups that I hardly use (9x is usable for a deer sized target out to 1000 quite frankly, not ideal, but could be done). My 280 AI is being built, and I haven't decided on putting the GBP 4.5-14 again on it, or going with a Leup. Mk 4 6.5-20/G7 (Nightforce) 5.5-22 on it. I have a Leupold Mk 4 6.5-20 on my 338 Lapua which is a extreme range big game gun. I have hunting pros I know that shoot their 338s like Lapuas or RUMs or Edges at 1800 yards and successfully killed Elk and deer at these ranges. I have not...yet. So that is me, but others that shoot better than I do go different routes. I know a guy that has killed everything with a 3-9x40. It is probably the quintessential North American big game power range.

2. Parallax becomes an issue at usually 12x or more, and for me, I notice it on some of the lower quality 3-9s and 4-12s. I wouldn't use AO at all. I would spend more for SF. If you are shooting distance, the biggest deal is the tube size. That will give you the most range of adjustment versus a 1 inch tube. Personally, I would say that if you want a long range scope (past 600 yards, every shot), never buy a 1 inch tube, ever. That is the biggest deal with LR. You need the adjustment to compensate for the bullet drop.

Most people will be suited just fine buying a quality 3-9 or 4-12 type scope. From what I can discern from your situation, I would say buy a Leupold VX-3 3.5-10 or maybe 4.5-14 with a 30mm tube and you will never feel under glassed, until you start shooting past 800-1000 consistently, and even then a 4.5-14 will work with a 30mm tube. That would be better glass than 90% of people use. Hope that helps.

grew · Post by **grew** » 11 Apr 2011, 09:38

Tried to put an order in with my local store... he told me not to get my hopes up....

flyingirish04 · Post by **flyingirish04** » 12 Apr 2011, 07:03

Well mine is paid in full and ordered. Savage called the shop today and said it would be in by May. I am not holding my breath and I told them if it isn't here by then, I will probably pull my order and get a refund.

grew · Post by **grew** » 12 Apr 2011, 08:11

I put my deposit down and it has been ordered. Good to hear it might be in by May. I am willing to wait that long. I'll just get store credit if i decide to pull my order.

eyezon · Post by **eyezon** » 20 Apr 2011, 19:08

When is going to be available? I'm looking forward to taking down some gophers...

flyingirish04 · Post by **flyingirish04** » 20 Apr 2011, 19:10

Mid May now. Sheesh.

grew · Post by **grew** » 21 Apr 2011, 07:46

I have heard they are shipping to distributors end of April and should be in most stores by mid may.

StarG8kev · Post by **StarG8kev** » 26 May 2011, 08:38

http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/25WV/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/25%20LVT/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

flyingirish04 · Post by **flyingirish04** » 26 May 2011, 17:53

Haven't shown up anywhere, at all around here. The distributors keep pushing them back saying Savage doesn't have an explanation, other than they are indeed coming out.

flyingirish04 · Post by **flyingirish04** » 26 May 2011, 17:58

flyingirish04 wrote:Well mine is paid in full and ordered. Savage called the shop today and said it would be in by May. I am not holding my breath and I told them if it isn't here by then, I will probably pull my order and get a refund.

And I did just that. Also wrote a letter to Savage saying that if they want to sell rifles, ship them to retailers so we can look at them and handle them. Quit waiting for pre-orders to get to a level and begin manufacturing. It is a lazy and destructive business model.

That is what is going on. Gun companies advertise, and wait for orders before manufacturing them in mass. Its stupid, and it is by no means going to allow them to sell anything to me.

The savage rep at a show the other weekend told me that they haven't even gotten any dealer samples. That means they aren't manufacturing them yet.

CPTKILLER · Post by **CPTKILLER** » 16 Jun 2011, 17:20

The Savage Model 25 Walking Varminter is available in a variety of calibers including 5.7X28. MSRP is $551. My son-in-law had one on 22 Hornet & it was quite accurate out to 200 yards.

http://www.huntingriflesreviews.com/gun ... er-232.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This is one source but is out of stock for under $500.

http://ecbiz94.inmotionhosting.com/~pha ... ?id=19158S" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This is another source @ $475 but also out of stock.

http://www.midwesthuntersoutlet.com/ite ... 8_DBM.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This one has them for $450 (out of stock also)

http://grabagun.com/long-guns/rifles/sa ... x28mm.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

flyingirish04 · Post by **flyingirish04** » 16 Jun 2011, 17:26

Yeah, kinda covered already in the thread. :thumb:

Also, good luck getting one. They were supposed to be out Feb., then April, then mid May, now Savage doesn't know. In fact the reps that travel to all the gun shows and shot shows STILL haven't even got their sample WV in 5.7 yet.

I think maybe the pressures of that round in a locking bolt might be too much for the 25, and savage is trying to troubleshoot.

I had one ordered since January, but got my deposit refunded by my dealer. He said that even his distributor thinks this gun isn't going to happen.

TheDreadPirateOmnom · Post by **TheDreadPirateOmnom** » 13 Jul 2011, 06:18

YEAH WERE GOING MAINSTREAM

flyingirish04 · Post by **flyingirish04** » 13 Jul 2011, 06:35

Not anytime soon we're not. Read the thread.

drjohnmaroy · Post by **drjohnmaroy** » 28 Jul 2011, 09:11

So has Savage given up? Its nearly the end of July 2011.

Post by **Grantness** » 28 Jul 2011, 10:41

All we can do for now is to keep calling/writing Savage so they know the demand is still out there. I still haven't seen a twist rate listed on their web sight, so that isn't a great sign...

flyingirish04 · Post by **flyingirish04** » 28 Jul 2011, 10:42

I talked to a distributor. They have more preorders for that caliber than any other for Savage. They know the demand is there. I think they are having issues with making it work on that action.

Post by **panzermk2** » 28 Jul 2011, 11:22

To bad they ignored me when I contacted them. I would have been happy to work with them.

eVenom · Post by **eVenom** » 28 Jul 2011, 17:22

I really can't understand why or how they ignored you like that!

Post by **panzermk2** » 29 Jul 2011, 09:32

Who knows, I can tell you Excel did not ignore us and has been working with us.

drjohnmaroy · Post by **drjohnmaroy** » 10 Sep 2011, 14:42

So are both Excel and Savage having trouble getting it working?
Or is this just everyone is concerned about the 5.7x28 lasting?
I would think Savage (with its pre-orders) would believe its going to last.

However, it sure would be good to get some more pistol and rifle makers producing 5.7x28 firearms.

By the way - everyone just loves my FsN, we just need a longer range to shoot it at.

Post by **panzermk2** » 10 Sep 2011, 14:51

Excel is not having problems. They are just s small company and have limited resources. They have even put up vids of guns being tested.

drjohnmaroy · Post by **drjohnmaroy** » 12 Sep 2011, 04:11

Cool.

The video is up on their facebook page - AND is says they are shipping the rifle!

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php ... 9&comments" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Anyone have one?

txsccc · Post by **txsccc** » 14 Sep 2011, 22:14

maybe if bolt guns in 5.7x28 become popular, ammo prices will go down finally!

drjohnmaroy · Post by **drjohnmaroy** » 05 Oct 2011, 11:31

Well - looks like bad news at Savage. They pulled the 25 Walking Varminter in 5.7x28mm off their website.

http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/models/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So I guess they could not get it to work - not good. But maybe an opportunity for others.

Anyone have any info on Excel or Savage - I'm just surfing the web.

flyingirish04 · Post by **flyingirish04** » 06 Oct 2011, 12:07

Still have it listed in their LV-T models, but those haven't shipped at all yet either.

Panzer, you can jump in here, because it was you that brought it up to me first, but I would agree with you and guess that the pressures they were operating at in a closed bolt system got way too high for their compliance gurus at Savage, when it came to being used on that particular action.

My buddy that is a rep for them said about a month ago that he hadn't heard anything like that, but also said that reasons for decissions like that rarely trickle down to the reps at all.

Too bad, I would have bought one for sure.

Post by **panzermk2** » 06 Oct 2011, 12:46

Tell you rep buddy if Savage wants to call me I can tell them exactly what to do to fix the over pressure problem and the fix is insanely easy and cheap. You just had to be insane to figure it out like I did.

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