Gel testing

VITALIY · Post by **VITALIY** » 18 Feb 2010, 17:13

The big day is scheduled for this Sunday, keep yor fingers crossed

I'll be "cooking" up an 80lb 24"x10"x10" block of 10% ballistic gelatin tonight.

Post by **blueorison** » 18 Feb 2010, 17:28

Awesome. :thumb:

Post by **jmz5** » 18 Feb 2010, 18:02

:clap:

PainKillaX · Post by **PainKillaX** » 18 Feb 2010, 21:22

Oh man I was so excited when I saw this. And now I have to wait until Sunday. I guess Sunday will just be that much more exciting, eh?

VITALIY · Post by **VITALIY** » 18 Feb 2010, 23:10

Till sunday for those who'll be there at the sight, and most likely, till monday afternoone, before any pictures and vid's will be posted. It takes a wile to digest, trim, sort, convert, than post the material, in a presentable form. I'm sure we'll post some teasers first.

VITALIY · Post by **VITALIY** » 19 Feb 2010, 00:33

OK the gell is ready, tas.looks good :drool: , and should be ok for consum.shooting by sunday.
What is wrong with my key board, it's sticking to my fingers :ponder:

fatherfoof · Post by **fatherfoof** » 19 Feb 2010, 09:42

Looking forward to results. :thumb:

VITALIY · Post by **VITALIY** » 19 Feb 2010, 10:05

Roger that padre

VITALIY · Post by **VITALIY** » 19 Feb 2010, 20:11

Good news for BETA team:
We've got all 6 prototype bullets in hand and ready to ship, beginning next week :thumb:

Post by **Esteves** » 19 Feb 2010, 20:14

80 pounds of jello shooters! :lmao:

VITALIY · Post by **VITALIY** » 19 Feb 2010, 20:48

Yeah i know, it's a bit on the light side :laugh:

Post by **blueorison** » 19 Feb 2010, 23:32

Hey after you're done with the jello, can you find a couple hotties and...

nvm.

Post by **jmz5** » 20 Feb 2010, 04:52

VITALIY wrote:Good news for BETA team:
We've got all 6 prototype bullets in hand and ready to ship, beginning next week :thumb:

Thanks for not putting me on the beta team.

/jerks :banned:

j/k. :laugh: :lmao:

Don't listen to me, I am hungover. :laugh:

Post by **Esteves** » 20 Feb 2010, 07:47

A thought: don't forget to get chrony readings on the velocities of the calibration BBs.

VITALIY · Post by **VITALIY** » 20 Feb 2010, 09:22

Think we willl be OK this time, we'll make an offer to the chrony that it won't be able refuse: give us reading or die :suicide:

Post by **Esteves** » 20 Feb 2010, 19:04

:lmao:

VITALIY · Post by **VITALIY** » 22 Feb 2010, 11:47

We'll start posting videos as soon as youtube finish conversion. I'll edit my original post, to show youtube short cut. There are tons of material, so it will take some time to sort.

ChuckD · Post by **ChuckD** » 22 Feb 2010, 13:41

The suspense is killing me.

VITALIY · Post by **VITALIY** » 22 Feb 2010, 13:43

Blame youtube

Still uploading :wall:

Buffman · Post by **Buffman** » 22 Feb 2010, 14:42

You know windows movie maker is free and you won't have that tiny ass thing in the middle of the videos unless you're putting it there, then NVM

Post by **panzermk2** » 22 Feb 2010, 14:58

We will be working on them tonight.

Post by **jmz5** » 22 Feb 2010, 16:08

It is tonight! Make with the pron already.

VITALIY · Post by **VITALIY** » 22 Feb 2010, 17:21

There, finaly we can watch it. It's in the original post.

Post by **jmz5** » 22 Feb 2010, 18:11

Very nice Vitaliy.

VITALIY · Post by **VITALIY** » 22 Feb 2010, 19:10

We have few more videos, and gels block in the cooler, still to be dissected

. I'd say it will take all week to process all the data.

Buffman · Post by **Buffman** » 22 Feb 2010, 19:18

awesome. You guys working with russians now

You guys shoot these from the FSN yet?

PainKillaX · Post by **PainKillaX** » 22 Feb 2010, 19:49

A-W-E-S-O-M-E!!! :thumb: :guns:

VITALIY · Post by **VITALIY** » 22 Feb 2010, 20:15

Buffman wrote:awesome. You guys working with russians now

You guys shoot these from the FSN yet?

Yes and yes we do have vids with FSN, just need some time to prosess and upload.

VITALIY · Post by **VITALIY** » 22 Feb 2010, 23:33

OK, it is there.

Post by **blueorison** » 22 Feb 2010, 23:47

So the New S5 is called the Trident? I really like the name. Not to menacing, but very serious. What does PFP stand for?

VITALIY · Post by **VITALIY** » 22 Feb 2010, 23:53

Pre fragmented projectile. Trident is the name of the bullet. S5 Is the name of the ammo it will be used in

Augustus · Post by **Augustus** » 23 Feb 2010, 07:13

Can't wait to see some still pictures of the wound channels!

Was that three level II vests or a mix of II-A and II?
Did the FsN shot penetrate all three of the vests?

The Keymaster · Post by **The Keymaster** » 23 Feb 2010, 07:26

Incredible. :thumb:

Post by **panzermk2** » 23 Feb 2010, 14:58

All were IIa vests.

Post by **panzermk2** » 23 Feb 2010, 21:19

Pics added

Post by **Grantness** » 24 Feb 2010, 13:03

Very nice guys! :clap: Im speechless...

Vafrum · Post by **Vafrum** » 15 Mar 2010, 19:59

Where can I find more information concerning pre fragmenting bullets? Including concept info.

Post by **blueorison** » 15 Mar 2010, 20:05

Vafrum wrote:Where can I find more information concerning pre fragmenting bullets? Including concept info.

I heard of this amazing site called google. :p

Vafrum · Post by **Vafrum** » 15 Mar 2010, 20:37

<ashamed>
Yes, me and google are close friends. I was hoping for some juicy shortcuts...

Post by **blueorison** » 15 Mar 2010, 20:57

Vafrum wrote:<ashamed>
Yes, me and google are close friends. I was hoping for some juicy shortcuts...

Well, this discussion will inevitably lead to people's perceived pro's and cons.

People for PFP's: it improves fragmentation consistency and allows multiple wound channels; total kinetic energy dump in target, reducing overpenetration.

People against PFP's: it fragments, thus versus a hollowpoint bullet which retains its overall whole and expands, the PFP loses alot of momentum due to the bullet breaking up. Also, since more surface area is exposed once breaking up and less weight is maintained per fragment, it significantly loses inertia and this negatively effects its power to incapacitate.

EA: test evidence, ongoing research with data already recorded. Videos. Etc.

Real life: very different from what people who have no experience nor first-hand data with it "claim" or "say". Physics is often confounded and bewildered by real life bullet performance.

Lesson to be learned: in the future, it is most likely that the issue of PFP's efficacy will surface. Before you give the time of day to inexperienced poser...oops *cough* posters who claim to have a ballistics degree and criticize this accomplishment of EA, realize that they are just like those idiots that claim the FsN is a "necked up .22" round; that is, they probably have no experience with either.

fatherfoof · Post by **fatherfoof** » 15 Mar 2010, 21:29

Interesting full circle. Probably most who read this will be angry, argumentative, or simply in oblivious denial. When I first joined the forum I mentioned that in terminal ballistics, an old chunk of lead was the bane of trauma surgeons. Now we have come full circle. To not break a tooth on game, it has become vogue to brag of bullet retention weight. In the history of people shooting people, the problem has been for generations a lead bullet busting apart within the body. After sugery, it is discovered when the guy spikes and crits nosedive that a tiny portion of lead broke free, nicked the bowel, and has given the MD a giant lawsuit. Jay has simply looked to the past, noticed what works, and pursued that avenue. By now we should all know the guy does nothing in vain, and actually inderstands the simplicity of what works vs that which one spray paints black with model airplane parts and post pictures of dorks whom have never been fired upon. Good job, EA! ff

Post by **panzermk2** » 15 Mar 2010, 21:31

Vitaliy needs most of the credit here FF. He has come back into the fold and in a major way.

Post by **panzermk2** » 15 Mar 2010, 21:56

Vafrum wrote:<ashamed>
Yes, me and google are close friends. I was hoping for some juicy shortcuts...

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1/8 rolled steel plate

Vafrum · Post by **Vafrum** » 15 Mar 2010, 22:34

Some people may find the logic behind my next statement unhealthy. I just think these projectiles are simply beautiful.
There is a sort of feeling I have that these are the flagship vessel to bring modern firearms into a new evolutionary realm.
The implications of this concept are staggering to ponder.

I can't help but feel a little behind on the times only really learning of them now. Keep your head buried in a computer and that may just happen to any of us. I am trying to re-incorporate my line of work (ethical hacking) with my former line (Marine Corps) but God is still opening the doors. That's besides the point, enough about me... Just look at those bullets!

I cannot say enough how amazed I am.

--I seem to recall seeing something familiar about them in the film "Wanted" but dismissed them as Hollywood hog wash.
Does this make since to anyone?

I remember the projectiles in the movie separating in mid flight. Like a space shuttle and the retro rockets or something.
This is not what happens with these bullets is it? Am I safe in assuming that they separate on impact?

The guys at EA have done an awesome job.

Post by **blueorison** » 15 Mar 2010, 23:17

panzermk2 wrote:Vitaliy needs most of the credit here FF. He has come back into the fold and in a major way.

I am but a doubtfully educated child, so perhaps this might not seem very potent; thank you Vitaliy, for all you've done to make EA a greater team, and this forum a better place. You are a true gentlemen and generous sportsman.

This is an outstanding example of people from different ethnic backgrounds partnering to form a beautiful alliance; producing amazingness. As for "retro-rockets", sir Vafrum, we are never oh-so-far behind in innovation from thought.

Everyone should be taking notes.

Vafrum · Post by **Vafrum** » 16 Mar 2010, 00:16

Yeah, and that unsuspecting pork shoulder was just about to have a smoke. Some one should tell it those things can kill ya...

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