Whats our political makeup?

Discuss the politics behind the gun industry.

Who do you support for President

Newt Gingrich
14
27%
Mitt Romney
8
15%
Rick Santorum
5
10%
Ron Paul
18
35%
Obama
2
4%
Other
5
10%
 
Total votes: 52

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Whats our political makeup?

Post by firestorm248 » 19 Jan 2012, 18:53

Kinda curious what our political makeup and how many support who in the presidential race.
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Post by Shaokhano » 19 Jan 2012, 19:37

Yeah go Gingrich.

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Post by flyingirish04 » 19 Jan 2012, 19:39

Anyone but the Charlatan in Chief
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Post by MikeSantor » 19 Jan 2012, 20:42

Ron Paul is the only Patriot that is running. Anyone else and we'll see how many more constitutional rights get taken away...

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Post by flyingirish04 » 19 Jan 2012, 20:46

Ron Paul is good. He is way wrong on foreign policy. Isolationism is bull and begets larger conflicts than littoral ones. But, I do think he is the least bad of them right now.
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Post by nrv216 » 19 Jan 2012, 20:48

flyingirish04 wrote:Ron Paul is good. He is way wrong on foreign policy. Isolationism is bull and begets larger conflicts than littoral ones. But, I do think he is the least bad of them right now.

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Post by f3rr37 » 19 Jan 2012, 20:57

My bet is that Gingrich will drop out within 2 months. As I did last time, I will probably cast my vote for Ron Paul.

I do think that his foreign policy is what is going to hurt Ron Paul, but I do think we need to pull back a bit and fix our own problems at home before we meddle in the affairs of others. By no means do I want us to pull out of every country and stop supporting others, but we do need to shift our focus to the political and economic issues that we have at home.

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Post by flyingirish04 » 19 Jan 2012, 21:05

No disagreements Fuzzy. But Paul in his heart wants to do more than that. BUT again, he will approach the job thoughtfully I think and will live with certain realities that could help him.

Now, lets be clear, that is who i like the best. The best guy at beating Obama, probably is Gingrich, maybe Romney now that Obie killed XL. I really don't like Romney. I can stomach Newt.
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Post by f3rr37 » 19 Jan 2012, 21:10

flyingirish04 wrote:No disagreements Fuzzy. But Paul in his heart wants to do more than that. BUT again, he will approach the job thoughtfully I think and will live with certain realities that could help him.
No doubt about that, but I'm sure as all presidents have... once they actually step into the Oval Office their perspective on things change quite a bit.
flyingirish04 wrote:Now, lets be clear, that is who i like the best. The best guy at beating Obama, probably is Gingrich, maybe Romney now that Obie killed XL. I really don't like Romney. I can stomach Newt.
I can't stomach Romney either, he reminds me of a sleazy car salesman. I really don't think Gingrich will last much longer. If anything, I would say it will come down to Santorum and Paul. Just my $0.02.

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Post by firestorm248 » 19 Jan 2012, 21:14

I would support either Romney or Paul. IMO only Santorum is a religious nutjob and Gingrich is a hothead, although the way he answered the first question at the debate tonight was awesome.

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Post by flyingirish04 » 19 Jan 2012, 21:29

IT was indeed. And yes, Santorum needs to keep his religion to himself a bit more. I may agree with most of his religious views, but I don't want to force it on others.
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Post by Cyberfly » 20 Jan 2012, 07:44

If I could pick and choose the best of them all and put it into one person, then I could cast a vote.
Unfortunately, there isn't any one that I like better than the others.
I like Ron Paul, but his weakness on foreign policy is just too weak and Bam Bam would beat him.
Newt is too wishy washy and can't keep a coherent argument. He sold out on global whining on the past and I can't forgive him of that.
Santorum...I like, but has no real presence. And I don't think he believes in carving down the existing fedgov.
Romney is a liberal in conservative clothing. He's a 70's Democrat...that's how far everything has shifted to the left in the last 40 something years. We just haven't noticed it.
We need someone with the presence of Fred Thompson, the experience of Alan West and the savy of Ronald Reagan, polished up like a young Dan Quayle but eloquent enough and a man of the people. Someone who could reach out to and relate to everybody.
I'm not saying he fits the bill (at all), but I still wish that JC Watts had stayed with politics. He was the original TEA Partier before it was 'in style' to be a TEA Partier.
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Post by flyingirish04 » 20 Jan 2012, 07:48

I really like JC Watts. Great man. And I agree on Paul. He would lose a la Goldwater in 64.

I don't agree Newt is wishy washy at all. I think of anyone, he is the better debater and would beat Obama. I don't agree with some of his past equivocations or moderations on policies and issues, and well, marriage. But I just want to beat Obama right now.

Romney you are dead right on. The only thing I can say that is vaguely comforting is that Romney is a pragmatic guy that will be a slave to conservative polling. He doesn't have an original idea in his head. At Bain Capital, he was nothing more than the money guy and face. BUT, he will govern with conservative principles at least in the spirit of W. Which up until 2006 wasn't perfect, but way better than what we have now.

I hate that it has to be a compromise, but sadly I tend to think that true change will have to come at the state level and trickle up to the feds. Invest your time in electing great candidates for governor and eventually the feds will come around. Because all you can hope for now is a POTUS that isn't a heavy handed soft fascist like Obama.
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Post by Cyberfly » 20 Jan 2012, 08:08

I think that with the economy the way that it is, the states won't stand up to the fedgov. They'll refuse to assert their rights or declare their sovereignty. Even with a strong conservative state government and a moderate fedgov, we'd be looking at a long haul to any kind of true recovery and another chance for socialist takeover.
Perhaps if Chris Christie were to step up in the meantime...I never really took the time to learn much about him, but recently I've seen a few vids of him and I'm learning to like the guy. He holds no punches, says what he means and the guy is startlingly smart. I think he would have done a much better job than any of the others, but again, that is all speculation. I thought that Perry would have done better as well. It's all second guessing without an actual horse in the race...
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Post by SeaHawkDriver-B » 20 Jan 2012, 08:11

Agreed that Romney doesn't have a single original idea in his head; he's a face and suit, thats it. He'd say anything to get elected, for any party... typical career politician; expect ZERO change in the status quo if he gets elected.

The G-man gets my vote simply for his stance on the issues. Its too bad that people have to pick apart every OTHER facet of the man to bring him down, becuase simply based on what he says, he's pretty solid. His record is extremely long becuase he's been a washington front man forever; i walked by Newt on

Ron Paul has a soft spot in my heart as I am a half-hearted libertarian. Although I like the idea of extremely limited government and isolationism, I'm also a realist, and I understand that those extremes simply don't work. The last two isolationist periods the US entered-into, resulted in two World Wars... a pretty much undisputed fact that any historian can site... i.e. if you simply let the world run amuck, it will go to hell. If Ron Paul would simple come across a moderate libertarian in foreign policy, something like "walk softly but carry a big stick", I think he'd swing 80% of the republican party his way; but he refuses out of party loyalty, and he will not win the nomination as a result.

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Post by flyingirish04 » 20 Jan 2012, 10:57

You can be a libertarian and be strong on foreign policy. That is the whole deal about libertarianism. It isn't set one way. It allows for a variety of views as long as they are centered in individual freedom. Isolationism is in fact anti libertarian in so many ways. But I won't go through objectivist and liberty theory right now.

And Fly, FYI, Christie is Romney's biggest supporter.

And I disagree with you on the states not exerting their will. There are big examples of 10 amendment based legislation and lawsuits that the states are winning against the feds. Also, several non party insiders have been elected governor in many states. THis is a great sign that he party cronies are losing power. I hope it continues.
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Post by toyslr » 20 Jan 2012, 11:27

Bad thing is I don't see one of them that can beat Obama! Trust me as ALL you guys know or should know, I can't stand this idiot but I can't see them pulling enough of the dems or fence sitters to secure the seat.

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Post by Llagoud » 20 Jan 2012, 13:05

I'm still leaning towards Vermin Supreme.
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Post by flyingirish04 » 20 Jan 2012, 13:12

And boots for hats :lmao:
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Post by Cyberfly » 20 Jan 2012, 22:03

Oh, I know that Christie thinks very highly of Romney. Doesn't mean that I do though.
But I don't think that the states, though they've tested the waters (so to speak) on 10A issues, will have the testicular fortitude to actually step up and threaten to do what really needs to be done to make the drastic changes that need to be done.
Let me try to clarify that a bit. I'm talking about the states trying to accomplish the kinds of things that Perry had in mind. The doing away with useless FedGov agencies. They simply don't have the ability, nor do they have the clout.
Now, could the states come together and say, 'we don't need the Dept of Education' and get it done? Possibly. The Dept of Energy? Ehhh...maybe. But I doubt anybody would actually listen on that one. EPA? Nope. That is the liberals golden calf. The environment is their new 'god' and they won't listen to such heresy.
But could the states, IF they could actually ban together accomplish such tasks? Yes, I think that they could. The big Q is...WOULD they?
I don't think they have the vision. It would take the states as a whole and there are states like CA and NY that would balk. I'm sure there are others, but those two come to mind off the top of my head. They'd do it just because it would piss off the other states.
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