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Post by blueorison » 23 Sep 2012, 17:28

The company behind the Tavor is building/built a factory here in the US.

Tavors will be available in the future.

I was excited about their entry into the bullpup world, when they first came out. However, I heard of some growing pains and issues. Hopefully they are resolved. The Tavor would make a great PDW to 300 yds weapon.

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Small Arms Review just covered the IWI X95
A direct derivation from the TAR-21 Tavor bullpup rifle, adopted in 2003 by the Israel Defence Forces, we are going to introduce to SAR readers the version designed for the Sayeret (Special Forces) units, a shorter and more modular rifle that, in case of need, can be converted into an SMG.

The TAR-21 project in Ramat Hasharon was started in 1995 when the Israeli company name was still IMI (Israel Military Industries). In recent times, IMI ownership has been handed over from the State of Israel to a private company, the Samy Katsav Group (the same holding that includes also Meprolight, Selectron International Optronics and Global Shields) and changed its name to Israel Weapon Industries or IWI.

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Post by panzermk2 » 24 Sep 2012, 09:47

Supposedly they have finally debugged them and they work.
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Post by Rapier1772 » 24 Sep 2012, 09:59

panzermk2 wrote:Supposedly they have finally debugged them and they work.
In that case, I want one :D
EDIT: I want one when it comes in another caliber :skep:
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Post by Piston Driven » 24 Sep 2012, 13:41

:drool: C'mon dont tempt me so! This will take years and probably cost about 3k! Don't tempt me temptress !!!!!! :evil:

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Piston Driven wrote::drool: C'mon dont tempt me so! This will take years and probably cost about 3k! Don't tempt me temptress !!!!!! :evil:
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panzermk2 wrote:Supposedly they have finally debugged them and they work.
In that case, I want one :D

When they first came out, I did everything to try to find out how to get one.

I still think they could be a great asset. However, if I got one, I'd most likely take a hacksaw, dremel, and heatgun out and redo the ergonomics.

Beyond that, once they come out with a .308 variant, the niche filled by the Keltec RFB will finally have a partner. And this partner might just eke out the RFB, in my mind, if the quality is made to a higher degree. The trigger, for a bullpup, on the RFB, is pretty good, though. Although, I'm sure that drop-in aftermarkets will be envisioned and produced for the Tavor.
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Post by panzermk2 » 24 Sep 2012, 15:09

blueorison wrote:
Piston Driven wrote::drool: C'mon dont tempt me so! This will take years and probably cost about 3k! Don't tempt me temptress !!!!!! :evil:
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panzermk2 wrote:Supposedly they have finally debugged them and they work.
In that case, I want one :D

When they first came out, I did everything to try to find out how to get one.

I still think they could be a great asset. However, if I got one, I'd most likely take a hacksaw, dremel, and heatgun out and redo the ergonomics.

Beyond that, once they come out with a .308 variant, the niche filled by the Keltec RFB will finally have a partner. And this partner might just eke out the RFB, in my mind, if the quality is made to a higher degree. The trigger, for a bullpup, on the RFB, is pretty good, though. Although, I'm sure that drop-in aftermarkets will be envisioned and produced for the Tavor.

That full hand guard would have to go. Why of why do so many bullpup makers go with a full hand guards?
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Post by blueorison » 24 Sep 2012, 15:41

$2k price point? Might as well get the SCAR 16 for almost the same price.

That is one over-priced gun if they are going to sell it past $1200. Even at $1200, that is overpriced. It's probably a fair price at $800.
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Post by srt-4_jon » 24 Sep 2012, 16:13

Even the MSAR STG was more than $800 and it was a copy of an existing design. There is no way the Tavor is a $800 gun.

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srt-4_jon wrote:Even the MSAR STG was more than $800 and it was a copy of an existing design. There is no way the Tavor is a $800 gun.
It won't be but it should be. It has more plastic than any AR carbine; take the Colt's that you can buy for $900. They are probably more accurate than the Tavor and have many more machined parts rather than really-to-produce-plastic-parts on the Tavor, and they are only $900.

The MSAR was way overpriced, and everyone knew it. Except the mall ninjas.

When they were going under or needed to liquidate, you found them right under $1k. Wonder why. :thumb:
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Post by srt-4_jon » 24 Sep 2012, 18:21

blueorison wrote: It won't be but it should be. It has more plastic than any AR carbine; take the Colt's that you can buy for $900. They are probably more accurate than the Tavor and have many more machined parts rather than really-to-produce-plastic-parts on the Tavor, and they are only $900.
That last sentence can be said for the SCAR, ACR, FS2000, AUG and every other new black rifle.

Also, quantity has a lot to do with the pricing as well. Everyone knows the more you build, the cheaper it will be. How many Colt ARs are out there vs. Tavors?
When they were going under or needed to liquidate, you found them right under $1k. Wonder why. :thumb:
Right under $1k is still more than $800. I assume price dropped was because the sellers had to motivate buyers that knew there wasn't going to be any more factory support for parts/warranty. I brought up the MSAR because they mimicked an existing design and didn't have near the R&D of a brand new design. And even with the significantly lower start up cost, the rifles were still more than $800.

Considering how much RFBs are going for, I dont see why the Tavor wont sell in the same area considering the Tavor isnt held together with allen screws and nuts.

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Post by blueorison » 24 Sep 2012, 18:31

Yeah... but the RFB's are .308

And when they come out, I'm sure the "new to market/I want it!" effect will hit the gun-buyers and the inflated prices would hold for a while.
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Post by Piston Driven » 25 Sep 2012, 15:51

:thumb: I think y'all are dreamers! This will most likely take years as these things go! :(

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****.

I want one. It probably won't use it much in competition, but in other fields I would definitely use it.

I guess this is going to go up against the Steyr AUG's latest variant, which is making a comeback to the US. Big factors will be price and I'm 100% sure the AUG is going to win in accuracy and quality, so this will have to be significantly lower. Plus, the AUG is a more "proven" design; bugs are worked out, etc.

This might be lighter, though. And if it can hold decent MOA and the trigger can be pretty decent, then....

All my thoughts are worthless, probably, since I won't be able to afford them :laugh:
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Post by panzermk2 » 30 Sep 2012, 21:41

AUG is to damn heavy.
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Post by blueorison » 30 Sep 2012, 22:32

Yes, it is.

Then again, maybe my draw to it is because there is really no other viable bullpup carbine besides the RFB on the market.

Actually, now that I think on it, that is the majority reason why I like the Tavor;

there really aren't any other viable bullpup carbines out there. Even when the MSAR came out... I didn't like it. Don't care for the AUGs, either, because they are heavy.
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Post by Rapier1772 » 30 Sep 2012, 22:50

I've shot Tomac's AUG, I didn't think it was heavy. But then I am used to the FS2K which is a little heavier. After this vid, I think I am better off sticking with my 2K :skep:
One of the things is that I like being able to switch back & forth (RH to LH) without changing the configuration of the rifle. Yeah, the TAVOR kicks the shells forward but I still prefer the brass not flying in front of my face :laugh:

I do like the TAVOR's hold open & bolt release, plus it looks like the mag changes are easier.

If I could fix the fracking trigger, the 2K would rule! :laugh:
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Post by blueorison » 30 Sep 2012, 23:42

I forgot about the 2K!

That is an awesome bullpup! And of course, FN's famous INGENIUS, mindblowing designs.

Everything is modular, and contained in compact modules, just like on the 90. Hm.. if I keep having to refer to FN platforms using numbers... 16...17... I guess the FsN would be the only lettered platform...

The 2K definitely is in the niche with the Tavor and AUG/MSAR. There are a few others out there, but they do not live on the level.

The Tavor is still lower-profile, which is a big thing for me. I'm sure they will come out with a drop-in trigger and aftermarket for it.

That's odd that they don't make a drop-in for the 2K.. did you check?
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Yeah, & found a couple of DIY pointers which I may try but no new trigger pack. Not like the PS90 change out anyway...
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blueorison wrote:Hm.. if I keep having to refer to FN platforms using numbers... 16...17... I guess the FsN would be the only lettered platform...
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I thought of that and how often people use it to refer to the handgun platform, but then it'd be confused with the caliber.
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blueorison wrote:
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blueorison wrote:Hm.. if I keep having to refer to FN platforms using numbers... 16...17... I guess the FsN would be the only lettered platform...
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I thought of that and how often people use it to refer to the handgun platform, but then it'd be confused with the caliber.
As opposed to all the other handguns chambered in 5.7? :laugh:

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PainKillaX wrote:
blueorison wrote:
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blueorison wrote:Hm.. if I keep having to refer to FN platforms using numbers... 16...17... I guess the FsN would be the only lettered platform...
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I thought of that and how often people use it to refer to the handgun platform, but then it'd be confused with the caliber.
As opposed to all the other handguns chambered in 5.7? :laugh:
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A further observation would recognize that most of these have 5.7 already in their names.

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blueorison wrote:
PainKillaX wrote:
blueorison wrote:
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blueorison wrote:Hm.. if I keep having to refer to FN platforms using numbers... 16...17... I guess the FsN would be the only lettered platform...
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I thought of that and how often people use it to refer to the handgun platform, but then it'd be confused with the caliber.
As opposed to all the other handguns chambered in 5.7? :laugh:
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A further observation would recognize that most of these have 5.7 already in their names.

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Yes, but your initial comment was "refer to FN platforms platforms"

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Post by blueorison » 01 Oct 2012, 13:58

Good point.

But no matter how succinct anyone is in their posting and in using the "5.7" under context, you KNOW the majority of people would still completely miss it and not get what the poster is saying.

The majority of times I see the platform "FiveseveN" referred to, I see it spelled or written incorrectly, such that it is difficult to understand if they are referring to the cartridge or the actual pistol, itself. A quick google will find you a lot of posts on other forums.

I wonder if they will have common threading on the Tavor, or some weird thread dimensions.

Putting a comp on there would be so much fun!
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I think a TAVOR would be a blast with an EOTECH thrown on

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Aimpoint... all the way. Smaller footprint, further.
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Post by SHEEPDOG » 01 Oct 2012, 15:22

Rapier, have you tried nue-trigger. I sure like mine.

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SHEEPDOG wrote:Rapier, have you tried nue-trigger. I sure like mine.
Yes, I have one on mine. It helped smooth out the trigger but did not decrease the travel length nor significantly reduce the pull weight. Basically all it does is eliminate the sliding friction of two unpolished plastic surfaces.
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http://militaryarms.blogspot.com/2012/0 ... _3849.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Trigger components are made of steel.

7 lbs unloaded.

Front handguard replaceable with rails.

9mm conversion kit.

$1900 estimated.

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Post by Piston Driven » 07 Oct 2012, 10:58

Imagine a 5.7 Tavor :drool: ! Anyways any updates on ETA? And what about Israeli Metrolight from Mako? The new gens are pretty nice! And no batteries I think???

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http://www.copesdistributing.net/tavor- ... -5822.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

$2k pricetag.

Yeah... I like the fact that it is a 1. bullpup 2. Israeli origin

but the numbers don't meet the value.
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Post by Rapier1772 » 10 Dec 2012, 22:35

Anyone know for certain if the latest version has been proven reliable? Heard good things but I don't know any of those people making the claims.
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Rapier1772 wrote:Anyone know for certain if the latest version has been proven reliable? Heard good things but I don't know any of those people making the claims.
I don't claim things till I try them, personally.

I have been told they have fixed the reliability issues.

I'll try to find one.
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Post by Rapier1772 » 11 Dec 2012, 10:17

Same here - I've been told this but I haven't tested one and don't know anyone who has.
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kind'f REALLY WANT.

I like the grey/tan scheme. It's very diminutive.
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Post by jgreenberg01 » 12 Dec 2012, 18:40

I hate you Blue - more specifically, my wallet hates you. All I have to do is look at that a few times, and my hand starts to tremble.

Has anyone seen any new reviews of this from a trusted source?
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All right, which one of you is going to buy it so the rest of us can get a decent review? :p :laugh:
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Post by jgreenberg01 » 12 Dec 2012, 18:57

Seriously, if I sell two more houses this month, I just may do it.

I'm crazy like that.
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Post by blueorison » 12 Dec 2012, 18:59

jgreenberg01 wrote:I hate you Blue - more specifically, my wallet hates you. All I have to do is look at that a few times, and my hand starts to tremble.

Has anyone seen any new reviews of this from a trusted source?
Uhh I've seen about 3 people on youtube shoot it, all without jams. That's as far as it goes, for me. Military Arms Channel went to the bullpup shoot and I think it was there, or maybe not. My memory on it is not the greatest.

If I see one of our guys here with one, you'll bet I'll get my hands on it to test it out. I want to see 1. recoil impuls/sight picture recover time 2. Ergos 3. How easy is it to reload 4. Trigger/trigger vs other bullpups 5. Accuracy (if it can stay under 1-1.5 MOA with factory/match ammo)
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I'm crazy like that.
Then I'll have to come visit :D Your range looks awesome, also.
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Post by blueorison » 19 Jan 2013, 01:14



Greenberg; the version you bought is the 3rd one, apparently.

No rail behind the sight in the US version :(

I like the railed ones better, because they give the option of sight placement further or nearer to your eye for eye-relief adjusting.
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Post by jgreenberg01 » 19 Jan 2013, 05:17

I agree about the rails. I wanted the IDF version though - I can't even tell you why other than it's what I wanted. That spot behind ht Mepro optic is apparently some sort of proprietary system that they use in Israel for mounting a magnifier and I'm sure that if the Tavor takes off in the US... and I'm sure it will... accessories will be available without having to scour the earth for them.

In other news: my poor DPMS AR-15 is already having feeling of inadequacies :(
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Post by blueorison » 19 Jan 2013, 08:43

Haha yeah, either way the version you got is awesome.

I can't wait to test it out!
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Sigh.... *sniff*
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Stuffy nose blue?
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for my boy, Blue:

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That a pretty big kitchen

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Post by jgreenberg01 » 10 Feb 2013, 12:49

One more for you Blue, because I know you like it when guns are used...

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jgreenberg01 wrote:One more for you Blue, because I know you like it when guns are used...

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Post by flyingirish04 » 10 Feb 2013, 23:08

blueorison wrote:
jgreenberg01 wrote:One more for you Blue, because I know you like it when guns are used...

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Dude, didn't need to go all Haiku on us.

It makes me feel...dirty?


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Blue likes his women like he likes his guns? Made in Israel, and dirty.

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If that's the case, he's been hanging out with Jay too much
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Perhaps blue likes tough.. :evil: .. Forget the LEO >go Special Ops :patriot:
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or sweet with Big Guns... :guns:

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Personally my bet is the Camo look... :lmao:

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That's gonna suck to wash off. I HATE cammie paint.

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:agree: Thought that might be to risque. :facepalm: SORRY to offend. I put myself in the corner for a Time OUT. :wall:

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I'd settle for normal sized font :p
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Post by shoetr--X » 11 Feb 2013, 11:29

OK, OK, so I need a new pair of spectacles’. :cool: Did he say “Spectacles?” Does Obama Care cover that or is that on me? :?:

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Post by jgreenberg01 » 11 Feb 2013, 11:29

Rapier1772 wrote:I'd settle for normal sized font :p
Because... size matters?



Back on topic:

I emailed Copes to see if they have any updates on ship dates/quantities and they sort of backed off the end of March time frame saying:
Jeff, I’m sorry but no updated info and no way to know when anyone will ship for sure. We do not know how many firearms or of which kind IWI will ship us with each shipment so it is a wait and see game for everyone, sorry.

EDIT: I have only 250 5.56/.223 rounds left, and I refuse to shoot any of them. They are all going to be fed to the Tavor!
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Post by jgreenberg01 » 20 Feb 2013, 10:47

Was worried that I wouldn't have anything to feed her when she arrived. Finally found some 5.56 ammo.

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Now if IWI USA would just ship the rifles...
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NICE.
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Post by jgreenberg01 » 25 Feb 2013, 05:46

This guy always seems to get the new guns first:



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Post by Ditch » 19 Mar 2013, 17:05

IWI facespace page is stating shipping starts tomorrow. I just need my ffl to get one for me.

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Post by jgreenberg01 » 19 Mar 2013, 17:13

I preordered mine back in mid-December and I don't think that mine will be shipped on the first go-around. I think if you haven't preordered one, you're going to be waiting until much later in the year...
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Post by blueorison » 19 Mar 2013, 17:20

I just watched part III.

I'm surprised the weight is a little heavier than I thought it would be. I thought it would be lighter than a light-weight AR.

I really want to put a regular PWS comp on there and gauge the muzzle movement vs a tuned AR. The reciprocating parts; the difference in weight vs the AR BCG; I wonder what difference it will make.
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Post by jgreenberg01 » 23 Mar 2013, 07:47

Shouldn't be long now!

IWI US, Inc., a subsidiary of Israel Weapon Industries (IWI), has commenced shipments of the long-awaited TAVOR® SAR bullpup rifles to their distributors. Shipments have been carefully choreographed for product arrival to various distributors across the country at relatively the same time. IWI US continues to ramp up production and shipping in the coming weeks. An assortment of black and FDE TAVOR® SAR rifles in 16.5″ barrels and several black, left-hand rifles along with a small quantity of the TAVOR® SAR IDF model are among the initial product shipments.

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It's Heeeeerrrreeee...

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Now it's time to use the tactical entry tool and celebrate!

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That's a pretty cool rifle.

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jgreenberg01 wrote:It's Heeeeerrrreeee...

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You Suck! :p

I got screwed on these. Originally our major supplier wasn't going to carry these. My sales rep didn't bother telling me about them when they did pick them up so all my orders are at the end of the list. ARRGGGG

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Very cool. Like the setup you chose too. Very nice.
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c1demo wrote:Now it's time to use the tactical entry tool and celebrate!
:lmao:

I finally just realized what you were alluding to, C1. hahaha
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sabotteur wrote:
jgreenberg01 wrote:It's Heeeeerrrreeee...

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You Suck! :p

I got screwed on these. Originally our major supplier wasn't going to carry these. My sales rep didn't bother telling me about them when they did pick them up so all my orders are at the end of the list. ARRGGGG

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My local gun shop just got a Steyr AUG A3, how does it compare to the Tavor?

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I haven't been able to get to the range with the Tavor until because I've been very sick with ulcerative colitis and the poor rifle has been sitting here begging me to take it out for a play-date. I finally got out and put a few rounds downrange today.

Unfriggenbelievable. This rifle has the potential to be about as ergonomic a gun as I have had the pleasure of shooting. It's not exactly a PS90 when it comes to recoil... but it's not too far behind. Fast, easy follow up shots. I didn't shoot enough to really play with mag changes, but with just a little practice, I would bet the average Joe could swap out a mag in about 1 second and be back in the fight. It's fast.

I sent mostly XM193 downrange, but I also shot a little Black Hills 55gr BTHP. I don't think this rifle is exactly going to be a tack-driver, but it's not too bad. Because it's a 1:7 twist, it will likely prefer heavier rounds. I found some 69gr Federal match ammo which I will try next week and compare all the results.

The only complaint I have is the trigger, but it's not the typical bullpup issue. It's not mushy at all & is actually fairly crisp, plus it doesn't have a lot of play at all. It's really heavy though - my trigger pull gauge's scale stops at 8lb - it went way beyond that point and I would have to estimate it was more like 11-12 lbs!

My plan is to put together the video review next week, health situation allowing. Gonna do the accuracy testing, show some of the ergonomics plus this rifle is allegedly Over The Beach capable: aka able to fire after being submerged in water and not completely dried... yes I will be testing that.

So if you never hear from me again, you can guess what went wrong. :laugh:
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sabotteur wrote:
jgreenberg01 wrote: You Suck! :p

I got screwed on these. Originally our major supplier wasn't going to carry these. My sales rep didn't bother telling me about them when they did pick them up so all my orders are at the end of the list. ARRGGGG
Yea, but when you do get them in... one is hopefully going to come my way :)

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Greenberg,

Local shop got one in and the trigger really turned me off. The one they got in had a similar trigger. I thought the safety was still on and checked and it wasn't.

Anyways, Congrats. I'm hoping you enjoy your purchase and hopefully find a way to reduce the weight a bit.

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Chuck, I shot my buddies today actually. Love the feel of the gun, but I agree on trigger. Untenable and really left me heartbroken. Not the worst I have felt, but dampened my fervor.
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flyingirish04 wrote:Chuck, I shot my buddies today actually. Love the feel of the gun, but I agree on trigger. Untenable and really left me heartbroken. Not the worst I have felt, but dampened my fervor.
Uh, you probably shouldn't be posting about shooting people. Especially shooting your friends - that's rude. :p
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Post by Rapier1772 » 30 Apr 2013, 14:35

Aren't military types trained to keep their weapon out of the dirt/mud? :laugh:

I like the look of that thing with a suppressor. Wish I could handle/try one out.
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Post by jgreenberg01 » 30 Apr 2013, 16:25

I'm going to do the water test with mine, however... I think I'm gonna skip the mud and sand experiment.

I'm just not that brave.
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here is his review



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Post by Burt Gummer » 04 May 2013, 02:40

The trigger isn't the greatest.

My biggest complaint with my M4-2000 suppressor is the blowback. I might try shooting it with my SDN-6 and see if it eases up a bit.

It is a lot of fun and a well designed, easy to hold weapon.

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Post by jmz5 » 04 May 2013, 03:25

I handled the tavor yesterday at the convention, its very heavy and to me, a little akward.
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Post by Ditch » 09 May 2013, 05:06

My local LGS has 16B in stock for 2100 I dislike paying over msrp on guns maybe in few months I will be able to pick one up at or below msrp.
It did fill a little hevy to me also.

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Post by jgreenberg01 » 09 May 2013, 08:47

I paid just under MSRP for my flat top & the IDF version I have on preorder was $200 < MSRP.

If you forget GB and look around, you can find them without the insane markups. You probably will pay MSRP though.
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Rapier1772 wrote:
flyingirish04 wrote:Chuck, I shot my buddies today actually. Love the feel of the gun, but I agree on trigger. Untenable and really left me heartbroken. Not the worst I have felt, but dampened my fervor.
Uh, you probably shouldn't be posting about shooting people. Especially shooting your friends - that's rude. :p

Didn't you know that guns feel so much better when they are your buddies that you are shooting??? :p
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Post by jgreenberg01 » 16 May 2013, 13:19

This was supposed to be a quick review of the Tavor, buttttt...

Once I started shooting this gun I just couldn't stop! I did accuracy testing with different rounds, also... IWI claims that the Tavor is Over-the-Beach capable and I wanted to see if that was true. Did it function properly after being completely submerged or did it result in a kaboom/trip to the ER?

I will say that this gun's ergonomics are incredible and on top of that, if you have a bunch-o-5.56 rounds to play with... this has got to be the most fun I have had shooting in a loooong time.

The only downside is the trigger. While it doesn't have the typical bullpup mushiness; it actually has a very clean break, it's fracking HEAVY. I mean heavy to the point where, during the accuracy testing, I literally had to stop to see if the safety was on. It did lighten up about four pounds (yes, 4lbs!) after several hundred rounds, but it's still incredibly distracting & tiring if you're shooting a lot of rounds. I am now going in search for a gunsmith who is competent/willing to work on this newly released gun and I will keep you all posted if anything changes.

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Re: Israel's TAVOR

Post by Ditch » 16 May 2013, 14:04

did you or will you run steel case ammo? just wondering.

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Post by jgreenberg01 » 16 May 2013, 14:23

Ditch wrote:did you or will you run steel case ammo? just wondering.
I did not and I probably won't. I think Sturmgewehre on youtube has a video where he did that with a Tavor.
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Post by jgreenberg01 » 17 May 2013, 16:22

flyingirish04 wrote:Chuck, I shot my buddies today actually. Love the feel of the gun, but I agree on trigger. Untenable and really left me heartbroken. Not the worst I have felt, but dampened my fervor.
There's hope!

1) The trigger weight went from 14lbs to 10lbs after 600 or so rounds

2) There's a second spring used to make the trigger reset more positive that can be removed. When I did that, the pull went down to 7.5lbs. It was a very noticeable change.

3) Next up will be some polishing, and I figure that should be good for shaving off some additional weight. I'll do that after my next range outing which will be next Monday.

Here is the trigger pack with the reset spring (left) and without (right). It's just held in with a roll pin.

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Post by Burt Gummer » 18 May 2013, 08:28

Polishing up trigger parts is beyond my knowledge level, but I bet for $50 or so Bill Springfield would do it.

I am going to try removing that spring and retesting the draw weight - that is a big 'wow'. The Tavor with half the trigger pull weight would be fantastic.

Just sent Bill some picks and info to see what he has to say. I don't know a better person to ask to smooth out and lighten a trigger.

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Post by jgreenberg01 » 20 May 2013, 11:52

Update #1:

More accuracy shooting and a mod to reduce the trigger pull weight.

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Post by jgreenberg01 » 28 Jun 2013, 06:13

Gotta love Jerry Miculek!

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Post by panzermk2 » 28 Jun 2013, 15:23

"If I can do it" LMFAO he could can and will long after most of us are in the ground.
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