EAA Witness Elite Match 10MM Tuneups

ShockedNKansas · Post by **ShockedNKansas** » 26 Jul 2011, 00:58

Well I picked up 500 rounds of BVAC 180 grain practice ammo that is supposed to be loaded to the tune of 1200fps. That comes to around 575 ft-lbs which I believe is considered mid-level 10mm loading. My question is, will I be fine to shoot that ammo with what I believe are 14lb stock recoil springs?

Also, I plan to occasionally shoot nuclear-powered stuff as soon as I can get my hands on it. It has been recommended to use springs in the 20lb range but there have been complaints with great difficulty racking the slide after installation. Some recommend 18lbs while some recommend 22lb. What weight is necessary to protect my gun without overkill considering the impact it has on ease of racking?

http://www.gunsprings.com/index.cfm?pag ... D=1&mID=19

I found a nice EAA technical forum (http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showforum=202) that had a thread mentioning the importance of installing a Sprinco guide rod to further alleviate stress and reduce peening on the frame where the guide rod sits. It's kind of pricey though. :/

http://www.sprinco.com/recoil.html

I want to install what is necessary but not go crazy as some do when modifying their guns. I would appreciate any and all opinions (especially you Jay!)

kalani · Post by **kalani** » 26 Jul 2011, 22:00

http://www.sprinco.com/recoil.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; I really like the idea of these when I have a gun with guide rod i will probably order one. I would rather have a hydraulic but the guy that made the mercury fill tube and bearing hydraulic guide rod is not around any more or so I hear.
If you are using a polymer frame witness in 10mm I have read in many places that the spring needs to be replaced with a heavier spring if 20 pound is to heavy for you try 18 pound. Keep in mind when the slide has it break in it will not nearly be as stout. Have you thought about porting the barrel? or maybe compensating it.

ShockedNKansas · Post by **ShockedNKansas** » 29 Jul 2011, 11:56

kalani wrote:http://www.sprinco.com/recoil.html I really like the idea of these when I have a gun with guide rod i will probably order one. I would rather have a hydraulic but the guy that made the mercury fill tube and bearing hydraulic guide rod is not around any more or so I hear.
If you are using a polymer frame witness in 10mm I have read in many places that the spring needs to be replaced with a heavier spring if 20 pound is to heavy for you try 18 pound. Keep in mind when the slide has it break in it will not nearly be as stout. Have you thought about porting the barrel? or maybe compensating it.

I haven't even begun to think about things like porting and compensating. Hell, I haven't even had a chance to go out and shoot it yet. Changing that mag release to the right side nearly made me bash my brains in... :facepalm:

kwesi · Post by **kwesi** » 12 Aug 2011, 08:03

I have the Witness Limited in 10mm. I upgraded to a Wolf 22# spring & Sprinco guide rod. The Sprinco IMO is a must for 1200+ loads which is what I'm currently loading. That said I think the 22# Wolf is not needed until you push 1300 - 1400 fps. The factory installed spring is 14# & the other two that came with the gun are even less. My guess is either a 16 or 18#is all that is needed for 1200.

Once I broke her in I'm able to rack & lock the slide w/Sprinco & 22#! Alan @ Sprinco does not sell the springs but will answer all your questions. Very customer friendly!

BTW: don't forget to adjust the pre & over travel screws. What an awesome stock trigger!

ShockedNKansas · Post by **ShockedNKansas** » 13 Aug 2011, 16:03

kwesi wrote:I have the Witness Limited in 10mm. I upgraded to a Wolf 22# spring & Sprinco guide rod. The Sprinco IMO is a must for 1200+ loads which is what I'm currently loading. That said I think the 22# Wolf is not needed until you push 1300 - 1400 fps. The factory installed spring is 14# & the other two that came with the gun are even less. My guess is either a 16 or 18#is all that is needed for 1200.

Once I broke her in I'm able to rack & lock the slide w/Sprinco & 22#! Alan @ Sprinco does not sell the springs but will answer all your questions. Very customer friendly!

BTW: don't forget to adjust the pre & over travel screws. What an awesome stock trigger!

Any tips on adjusting the pre/over travel screws?

Thanks for the info man!

eVenom · Post by **eVenom** » 09 Sep 2011, 17:17

Where can you find the Magazine spirngs?

in the Wolf page it says NOT FOR 10mm????
http://www.gunsprings.com/index.cfm?pag ... D=1&mID=19" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

is the people just using them for 10mm even if it says no to??

fzr confused · Post by **fzr confused** » 12 Sep 2011, 16:58

i got mine from midwayusa like all my other springs.

Tachycardia · Post by **Tachycardia** » 12 Sep 2011, 19:19

Get anything you need from Henning

http://www.henningshootsguns.com/shop/magparts.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Tachycardia · Post by **Tachycardia** » 12 Sep 2011, 19:20

And the sprinco is a great addition.

I pair it with a 20lb spring and it shoots like a dream.

I am considering selling the 10mm slide and buying a Hunter for the 6 inch barrel

Tachycardia · Post by **Tachycardia** » 12 Sep 2011, 20:03

Shocked, I have a FO front sight that will fit nicely if you are interested.

eVenom · Post by **eVenom** » 12 Sep 2011, 20:40

the part number in Midway is the same than in the Gunsprings which states "All Caliber's Except 10mm" maybe it doesn't matter and they fit fine.

Not sure witch one is the right one in Hennings

also what about the extractor and hammer spring? is it a good idea to change those as well. I've never read anything about changing them.

Tachycardia · Post by **Tachycardia** » 12 Sep 2011, 20:51

I changed the hammer spring without too much issue.

Once again, this site is the end all for the Witness line of pistols and Henning is a wealth of knowledge and always ready to help via phone or email

http://www.henningshootsguns.com/shop/main.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Post by **blueorison** » 12 Sep 2011, 20:56

Henning is a really cool dude, btw.

My coach is friends with him, so he must be a good guy!

Tachycardia · Post by **Tachycardia** » 12 Sep 2011, 20:59

You should consider the trigger kit.

If you notice the stock trigger has a lot of side to side play on it and Hennings trigger makes a world of difference.

It is a great trigger out of the box so unless to really want to tune it up it will be just fine.

The supersights are a great upgrade as well.
They offer a better picture and layout than the stock Match sights

Tachycardia · Post by **Tachycardia** » 12 Sep 2011, 21:00

blueorison wrote:Henning is a really cool dude, btw.

My coach is friends with him, so he must be a good guy!

The first time I sent him an email asking for advice he sent me his phone number and talked to me for a good 30 minutes about the Gold Team pistol ( which I still want)

That is why he gets all my business for my Witness pistols, he is a genuine good guy and has great products and prices.

Tachycardia · Post by **Tachycardia** » 12 Sep 2011, 21:06

http://www.henningshootsguns.com/shop/triggerparts.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Post by **blueorison** » 12 Sep 2011, 21:15

Tachycardia wrote:
blueorison wrote:Henning is a really cool dude, btw.

My coach is friends with him, so he must be a good guy!

The first time I sent him an email asking for advice he sent me his phone number and talked to me for a good 30 minutes about the Gold Team pistol ( which I still want)

That is why he gets all my business for my Witness pistols, he is a genuine good guy and has great products and prices.

Oh man! I know the exact pistol you are talking about. I saw it when it came out a few years ago, I thought it looked ridiculously ridiculous. It's their creme de la creme.

Tachycardia · Post by **Tachycardia** » 13 Sep 2011, 07:30

blueorison wrote:
Tachycardia wrote:
blueorison wrote:Henning is a really cool dude, btw.

My coach is friends with him, so he must be a good guy!

The first time I sent him an email asking for advice he sent me his phone number and talked to me for a good 30 minutes about the Gold Team pistol ( which I still want)

That is why he gets all my business for my Witness pistols, he is a genuine good guy and has great products and prices.
Oh man! I know the exact pistol you are talking about. I saw it when it came out a few years ago, I thought it looked ridiculously ridiculous. It's their creme de la creme.

Tachycardia · Post by **Tachycardia** » 13 Sep 2011, 07:33

I am looking at 38 super as it is a much more feasible round now that I reload.

Also I hear of feeding issues on occasion with the 9mm in a large frame.

I need to be back to work for a month or so to even think about buying anything at this point....but soon..

eVenom · Post by **eVenom** » 13 Sep 2011, 15:29

thats a cool looking gun! Looks like it has some heavy compasation...

Tachycardia · Post by **Tachycardia** » 13 Sep 2011, 19:25

12 ports

It is a nice gun, the CZ version is the Czech-Mate, equally as awesome.

At around $1400 the Witness is quite a deal

Tachycardia · Post by **Tachycardia** » 13 Sep 2011, 19:26

This thread has quickly turned into porn for Blue and I.

Post by **panzermk2** » 13 Sep 2011, 19:28

Tachycardia wrote:This thread has quickly turned into porn for Blue and I.

You forgot me. I have a CZ that the both of you have never held in your hands.

Tachycardia · Post by **Tachycardia** » 13 Sep 2011, 19:32

Ahhhhh I forgot you!

Do you have a compensated steel 10mm or the Hunter, Jay?

And I was eyeing a 10mm compact, how is recoil and accuracy on it?

Tachycardia · Post by **Tachycardia** » 13 Sep 2011, 19:33

And which CZ, per se?

I want a Protek but it is hard to drop $1400 on it.

Post by **panzermk2** » 13 Sep 2011, 19:58

Tachycardia wrote:Ahhhhh I forgot you!

Do you have a compensated steel 10mm or the Hunter, Jay?

And I was eyeing a 10mm compact, how is recoil and accuracy on it?

I made mine years before the hunter existed.

This is the CZ. It's a factory 75b cutaway. All docs including sticker on the box are labeled as such. They even did the Mag and included one dummy round. Put a full length firing pin in it, a standard barrel and it shoots perfect.

Post by **blueorison** » 13 Sep 2011, 20:16

Tachycardia wrote:This thread has quickly turned into porn for Blue and I.

True story, bro :lmao:

Tachycardia wrote:12 ports

It is a nice gun, the CZ version is the Czech-Mate, equally as awesome.

At around $1400 the Witness is quite a deal

If we're strickly speaking deals, the CZ open class' value and deal-percent far outweighs the Witness. But, that's too much to pay unless you are serious about shootin open class. It's a sweet gun, though. And from CZ factory... so legit...

Hey Tachy aren't you tired of Jay always showing off his cool guns? Seriously. It's like he always pops something out. I'm so tired of it. Who the heck and how the heck can you get a CZ factory cutaway with paperwork AND it's functional. I don't even know how to respond.

But... I wanna shoot it....

There is something secret that is on it's way...

Post by **blueorison** » 13 Sep 2011, 20:30

Tachycardia wrote:Ahhhhh I forgot you!

Do you have a compensated steel 10mm or the Hunter, Jay?

And I was eyeing a 10mm compact, how is recoil and accuracy on it?

Tachy, actually, after I wrote the CZ thread and began informing people on CZ's here on the forum, at least 5 other people went out and bought new CZ's that I know of. In fact, Spacecoyote and his awesome girlfriend and I went last week to break in their new P01 and SP01's (hope you don't mind me sharin, Scott!). Other forum members that are comin to the invite also have gotten brand new ones. Maybe it was what I spoke about with them, or maybe they already were going to get one. *shrug*

But I have to admit you were the most legit, we literally talked about it the night before and I swear the next day you had top of the line CZ's from Angus... including youknowwhat my dream. After you posted your pictures, I'm sure it also spurred the CZ legitness. But you were the first new CZ owner that I know of, here!!

You're also the most natural with it, I don't know of anyone who got a CZ and went out and beat people who have shot their entire lives. Seriously. What in the world.

Tachycardia · Post by **Tachycardia** » 13 Sep 2011, 20:42

The CZ open pistol has a LOT of fine tuning by Angus and co.

The Gold Team is a GREAT pistol and would work great for someone who wanted to get a pistol and jump right in at a very nice price, but the CZ is the absolute top of the heap.

I am a big fan of the 38 super so I would like the Gold team or Limited at some point.

As for a 9mm, I will get this guy by years end

I was looking at the CTS, but I prefer the smaller grip on the LS and the fact it can use CZ 75 mags, which the CTS can not.

First on my list is a 1911 from Irish next week, then I will save for the above.

I plan to have a 9mm, 38 super and 1911 of quality for competition so I can concentrate on shooting with those 3

Post by **blueorison** » 13 Sep 2011, 20:53

Wow. You've got it figured out. Limited class, Open class, Production class, and Single stack. You've got all your bases covered.

The Shadow is IDPA approved, also, so you could go tick off IDPA Masters by whupping their butts in between IPSC matches.

Post by **f3rr37** » 13 Sep 2011, 22:18

Yep, I picked up a CZ-75B a few weeks ago after reading blue and jay's raving about them, and of course doing a bunch of research... which pretty much backed up everything they said.

57js · Post by **57js** » 14 Sep 2011, 06:41

f3rr37 wrote:Yep, I picked up a CZ-75B a few weeks ago after reading blue and jay's raving about them, and of course doing a bunch of research... which pretty much backed up everything they said.

Kind of hard to ignore their raving about CZ. I am waiting for the 75B to come back into stock, and then it will be my next purchase. Hopefully they will be available again in the next few weeks.

Post by **blueorison** » 14 Sep 2011, 18:40

57js wrote:
f3rr37 wrote:Yep, I picked up a CZ-75B a few weeks ago after reading blue and jay's raving about them, and of course doing a bunch of research... which pretty much backed up everything they said.
Kind of hard to ignore their raving about CZ. I am waiting for the 75B to come back into stock, and then it will be my next purchase. Hopefully they will be available again in the next few weeks.

I don't post ravings. Just facts.

All facts.

Tachycardia · Post by **Tachycardia** » 14 Sep 2011, 18:52

Raving facts!

And they are all true, once you have 1 you will feel the constant urge for more.

The Competition hammer from the CZ custom shop is a very good upgrade, also dry fire it about 250-300 times when you get it and the trigger will drastically improve if the pistol is new.

Visceral_Malice · Post by **Visceral_Malice** » 14 Sep 2011, 20:20

Panzer, that's beautiful. It looks like it would have been in an 80's sci-fi movie and I love it.

Post by **panzermk2** » 15 Sep 2011, 00:00

Visceral_Malice wrote:Panzer, that's beautiful. It looks like it would have been in an 80's sci-fi movie and I love it.

When I first made it in the early 90's all I could think of was the movie Logan's Run. When I shoot it with full power 10mm loads I get the flames out the top just like in the movie.

57js · Post by **57js** » 15 Sep 2011, 06:25

blueorison wrote:
57js wrote:
f3rr37 wrote:Yep, I picked up a CZ-75B a few weeks ago after reading blue and jay's raving about them, and of course doing a bunch of research... which pretty much backed up everything they said.
Kind of hard to ignore their raving about CZ. I am waiting for the 75B to come back into stock, and then it will be my next purchase. Hopefully they will be available again in the next few weeks.
I don't post ravings. Just facts. All facts.

Bud's got the 75B in stock for a reasonable price so I believe I will be placing an order very soon for it. Who knows, by the end of the month I might have it.

Tachycardia · Post by **Tachycardia** » 15 Sep 2011, 11:15

http://czcustom.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Always has some good deals as well, and you can customize it before they ship it out

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