For those of us who are fans — and always will be fans — of the marvelous Edgar Rice Burroughs series John Carter of Mars, the news that the film version will lose somewhere in the neighborhood of $200 million is depressing. The BBC critic Mark Kermode summed up the movie’s major problem:
"The storytelling is incomprehensible, the characterization is ludicrous, the story is two and a quarter hours long and it’s a boring, boring, boring two and a quarter hours long."
The film cost a staggering $250 million to make and another $100 million to promote. A Disney spokesman confirmed to the Daily Mail the bad news, saying, “In light of the theatrical performance of John Carter, we expect the film to generate an operating loss of approximately $200 million.”
Beyond the Hollywoodisms and other inside-industry explanations, there is the cultural chasm between the world in which John Carter was originally created by Burroughs and the less literate, less imaginative, more realistic world into which the film was released.
For those of us who are fans — and always will be fans — of the marvelous Edgar Rice Burroughs series John Carter of Mars, the news that the film version will lose somewhere in the neighborhood of $200 million is depressing. The BBC critic Mark Kermode summed up the movie’s major problem:
"The storytelling is incomprehensible, the characterization is ludicrous, the story is two and a quarter hours long and it’s a boring, boring, boring two and a quarter hours long."
The film cost a staggering $250 million to make and another $100 million to promote. A Disney spokesman confirmed to the Daily Mail the bad news, saying, “In light of the theatrical performance of John Carter, we expect the film to generate an operating loss of approximately $200 million.”
Beyond the Hollywoodisms and other inside-industry explanations, there is the cultural chasm between the world in which John Carter was originally created by Burroughs and the less literate, less imaginative, more realistic world into which the film was released.
So epic CGI can't replace good acting and a story? Who knew!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 22 Mar 2012, 14:15
by Llagoud
It got Disneyfied. :facepalm:
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 22 Mar 2012, 15:34
by MrSlippyFist
I heard it was a decent movie. Makes sense, since most people are farking stupid = twilight series makes big bucks and half-way decent movies dont get publicized or make any money.
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 23 Mar 2012, 03:43
by Llagoud
It said they spent $100 million on promotion. :skep:
I never heard it had been made by Disney until a couple weeks ago when Mo and I went to see Act of Valor and saw the preview.
Not sure where that $100m went, but it wasn't spent marketing to me. :laugh:
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 23 Mar 2012, 06:49
by toyslr
That Movie just LOOKED stupid from the trailers! Should have saved the 100 million in advertising and they would only be out 100...
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 23 Mar 2012, 07:23
by Llagoud
Well, some of us Edgar Rice Burroughs fans were hoping for more.
Since it was written around 1911 to stay true to the story left some tech holes.
There's been a discovery or two since then. :laugh:
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 25 Mar 2012, 05:14
by jgreenberg01
Ok, so this isn't a movie, but it is, without a doubt, THE most impressive continuous shot video I have ever seen. The choreography, time & effort is simply astounding!
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 25 Mar 2012, 19:48
by panzermk2
Very cool!
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 26 Mar 2012, 06:16
by Cyberfly
Wow. That was really kewl.
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 30 Mar 2012, 15:58
by firestorm248
I am dying right now laughing. :lmao:
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 30 Mar 2012, 16:37
by Rapier1772
Caution, language NSFW at 0:35
Otherwise :laugh: Wouldn't pay to see it but if it comes to the university theater I'll go
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 14 Apr 2012, 18:42
by Esteves
I received a few Harkins tickets from a co-worker a long while back as a thank you for something or other.
It was a nice gesture, they even mailed them to me, since I don't work in the office (2+ hour drive to get there, and then 2+ more back.)
Funny thing is, we didn't have a Harkins down here until not too long ago, so they sat and collected dust.
Long story short, took the mini-me to see John Carter.
My expectations were low.
I had no cash investment in the entertainment.
My memory of the details of the story line has suffered in the last 30ish years.
I don't know if it was worth $250MM to produce, but it didn't suck rocks.
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 02 May 2012, 05:22
by jgreenberg01
I'm not sure if this has been posted already, and I feel like I've been living under a rock because I just heard about this today and it's being released in early June. This looks like it's Ridley Scott's Alien prequel, WOOHOO!
A team of explorers discover a clue to the origins of mankind on Earth, leading them on a journey to the darkest corners of the universe. There, they must fight a terrifying battle to save the future of the human race.
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 02 May 2012, 05:33
by brianz
I am very much looking forward to Prometheus. Oh Ridley, you had me at Space Jockey.
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 06 May 2012, 12:23
by fooschnickens
Saw the Avengers opening night, GO SEE THAT MOVIE!! There's also a new Prometheus trailer in the previews. Looks like it's going to be AWESOME.
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 07 May 2012, 21:21
by Rapier1772
The Avengers circa 1978
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 08 May 2012, 09:48
by flyingirish04
Wow, the seventies really did suck so very very very much.
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 08 May 2012, 11:15
by Llagoud
What sucked about the 70's was what was mainstream.
Let's not forget:
1. The Godfather - (1972, Francis Ford Coppola) (Marlon Brando, Al Pacino)
2. The Godfather part II - (1974, Francis Ford Coppola) (Al Pacino, Robert DeNiro)
3. One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest - (1975, Milos Forman) (Jack Nicholson, Louise Fletcher)
4. Apocalypse Now -(1979, Francis Ford Coppola) (Martin Sheen, Robert Duvall)
5. Chinatown - (1974, Roman Polanski) (Jack Nicholson, John Huston)
6. A Clockwork Orange - (1971, Stanley Kubrick) (Malcolm McDowell, Patrick MaGee)
7. Star Wars - (1977, George Lucas) (Mark Hamill, Harrison Ford)
8. Jaws - (1975, Steven Spielberg) (Roy Scheider, Richard Dreyfuss)
9. Taxi Driver - (1976, Martin Scorsese) (Robert DeNiro, Jodie Foster)
10. The Deer Hunter - (1978, Michael Cimino) (Robert DeNiro, Christopher Walken)
11. Annie Hall - (1977, Woody Allen) (Woody Allen, Diane Keaton)
12. Network - (1976, Sydney Lumet) (Peter Finch, William Holden)
13. Rocky - (1976, John G. Avildsen) (Sylvester Stallone, Carl Weathers)
14. Patton - (1970, Franklin J. Schaffner) (George C. Scott, Karl Malden)
15. Close Encounters of the Third Kind - (1977, Steven Spielberg) (Richard Dreyfuss, Teri Garr)
16. M*A*S*H - (1970, Robert Altman) (Elliot Gould, Donald Sutherland)
17. The Exorcist - (1973, William Friedkin) (Ellen Burstyn, Linda Blair)
18. American Graffiti - (1973, George Lucas) (Ron Howard, Richard Dreyfuss)
19. The French Connection - (1971, William Friedkin) (Gene Hackman, Roy Scheider)
20. Mean Streets - (1973, Martin Scorsese) (Harvey Keitel, Robert DeNiro)
21. Aguirre, the Wrath of God - (1972, Werner Herzog) (Klaus Kinski) (Cecilia Rivera)
22. Blazing Saddles - (1974, Mel Brooks) (Gene Wilder, Cleavon Little)
23. Last Tango in Paris - (1972, Bernardo Bertolucci) (Marlon Brando, Maria Schneider)
24. Monty Python and the Holy Grail - (1974, Terry Gilliam, Terry Jones) (G. Chapman, Eric Idle)
25. The Rocky Horror Picture Show - (1975, Jim Sharmon) (Tim Curry, Susan Sarandon)
26. Serpico - (1973, Sydney Lumet) (Al Pacino, Tony Roberts)
27. Young Frankenstein - (1974, Mel Brooks) (Gene Wilder, Peter Boyle)
28. Deliverance - (1972, John Boorman) (Burt Reynolds, Jon Voight)
29. Barry Lyndon - (1975, Stanley Kubrick) (Ryan O'Neal, Marisa Berenson)
30. National Lampoon's Animal House - (1978, John Landis) (John Belushi, Tim Matheson)
31. Alien - (1979, Ridley Scott) (Tom Skerritt, Sigouney Weaver)
32. The Sting - (1973, George Roy Hill) (Robert Redford, Paul Newman)
33. Dog Day Afternoon - (1975, Sydney Lumet) (Al Pacino, John Cazale)
34. Five Easy Pieces - (1970, Bob Rafelson) (Jack Nicholson, Karen Black)
35. The Conversation - (1974, Francis Ford Coppola) (Gene Hackman, John Cazale)
36. Halloween - (1978, John Carpenter) (Donald Pleasence, Jamie Lee Curtis)
37. The Last Picture Show - (1971, Peter Bogdanovich) (Timothy Buttons, Jeff Bridges)
38. Nashville - (1975, Robert Altman) (Henry Gibson, Barbara Baxley)
39. Saturday Night Fever - (1977, John Badham) (John Travolta, Karen Gorney)
40. McCabe and Mrs. Miller - (1971, Robert Altman) (Warren Beatty, Julie Christie)
41. All the President's Men - (1976, Alan J. Pakula) (Dustin Hoffman, Robert Redford)
42. Dirty Harry - (1971, Don Siegel) (Clint Eastwood, Harry Guardino)
43. Grease - (1978, Randal Kleiser) (John Travolta, Olivia Newton-John)
44. Manhattan - (1979, Woody Allen) (Woody Allen, Diane Keaton)
45. Scenes from a Marriage - (1973, Ingmar Bergman) (Liv Ullman, Bibi Andersson)
46. Badlands - (1973, Terrence Malick) (Martin Sheen, Sissy Spacek)
47. Coming Home - (1978, Hal Ashby) (Jon Voight, Jane Fonda)
48. Cries and Whispers - (1972, Ingmar Bergman) (Harriet Andersson, Kari Sylwan)
49. Carrie - (1976, Brian De Palma) (Sissy Spacek, Piper Laurie)
50. The Conformist - (1970, Bernardo Bertolucci) (Jean-Louis Trintignant, Dominique Sandra)
51. Day for Night - (1973, Francois Truffaut) (Jacqueline Bisset, Valentine Cortese)
52. Fiddler on the Roof - (1971, Norman Jewison) (Topol, Norma Crane)
53. Kramer vs. Kramer - (1979, Robert Benton) (Dustin Hoffman, Meryl Streep)
54. Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory - (1971, Mel Stuart) (Gene Wilder, Jack Albertson)
55. Being There - (1979, Hal Ashby) (Peter Sellers, Shirley MacLaine)
56. The Texas Chainsaw Massacre - (1974, Tobe Hooper) (Marilyn Burns, Allen Danziger)
57. Monty Python's Life of Brian - (1979, Terry Jones) (Graham Chapman, Eric Idle)
58. All That Jazz - (1979, Bob Fosse) (Roy Scheider, Jessica Lange)
59. Days of Heaven - (1978, Terrence Malick) (Richard Gere, Brooke Adams)
60. Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore - (1974, Martin Scorsese) (Ellen Burstyn, K. Kristofferson)
61. Bound for Glory - (1976, Hal Ashby) (David Carradine, Ronny Cox)
62. Bananas - (1971, Woody Allen) (Woody Allen, Louise Lasser)
63. Amarcord - (1973, Federico Fellini) (Bruno Zanin, Pupella Maggio)
64. The Hospital - (1971, Arthur Hiller) (George C. Scott, Diana Rigg)
65. Sleeper - (1973, Woody Allen) (Woody Allen, Diane Keaton)
66. The Last Wave - (1977, Peter Weir) (Richard Chamberlain, Olivia Hamnett)
67. Shampoo - (1975, Hal Ashby) (Warren Beatty, Goldie Hawn)
68. A Woman Under the Influence - (1974, John Cassavetes) (Gena Rowlands, Peter Falk)
69. The Last Detail - (1973, Hal Ashby) (Jack Nicholson, Otis Young)
70. Seven Beauties - (1976, Lina Wertmuller) (Giancarlo Giannini, Fernando Rey)
71. Macbeth - (1971, Roman Polanski) (Jon Finch, Martin Shaw)
72. Marathon Man - (1976, John Schlesinger) (Dustin Hoffman, Laurence Olivier)
73. The Man Who Fell to Earth - (1976, Nicolas Roeg) (David Bowie, Rip Torn)
74. The Man Who Would Be King - (1975, John Huston) (Sean Connery, Michael Caine)
75. The Sunshine Boys - (1975, Herbert Ross) (Walter Mathou, George Burns)
76. The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie - (1972, L. Bunuel) (Fernando Rey, Delphine Seyrig)
77. Cabaret - (1972, Bob Fosse) (Liza Minnelli, Michael York)
78. Don't Look Now - (1973, Nicolas Roeg) (Julie Christie, Donald Sutherland)
79. A Touch of Class - (1973, Melvin Frank) (George Segal, Glenda Jackson)
80. The Towering Inferno - (1974, Irwin Allen) (Steve McQueen, Paul Newman)
81. Breaking Away - (1979, Peter Yates) (Dennis Christopher, Dennis Quaid)
82. The Garden of Finzi Continis - (1970, Vittorio De Sica) (Dominique Sandra, Lino Capolicchio)
83. Klute - (1971, Alan J. Pakula) (Donald Sutherland, Jane Fonda)
84. Sunday, Bloody Sunday - (1971, John Schlesinger) (Glenda Jackson, Peter Finch)
85. The Candidate - (1972, Michael Ritchie) (Robert Redford, Peter Boyle)
86. The Ruling Class - (1972, Peter Medak) (Peter O'Toole, Alastair Slim)
87. The Way We Were - (1973, Sydney Pollack) (Robert Redford, Barbara Streisand)
88. Sounder - (1972, Martin Ritt) (Cicely Tyson, Paul Winfield)
89. Julia - (1977, Fred Zinnemann) (Jane Fonda, Jason Robards)
90. The Poseidon Adventure - (1972, Ronald Neame) (Ernest Borgnine, Gene Hackman)
91. The Goodbye Girl - (1977, Herbert Ross) (Richard Dreyfuss, Marsha Mason)
92. Save the Tiger - (1973, John G. Avildsen) (Jack Lemmon, Laurie Heineman)
93. Lenny - (1974, Bob Fosse) (Dustin Hoffman, Valerie Perrine)
94. Heaven Can Wait - (1978, Warren Beatty) (Warren Beatty, Julie Christie)
95. Norma Rae - (1979, Martin Ritt) (Sally Field, Beau Bridges)
96. Superman - (1978, Richard Donner) (Christopher Reeve, Gene Hackman)
97. Midnight Express - (1978, Alan Parker) (Brad Davis, Randy Quaid)
98. Enter the Dragon - (1973, Robert Clouse) (Bruce Lee, John Saxon)
99. A Bridge Too Far - (1977, Richard Attenborough) (James Caan, Michael Caine)
100. Tommy - (1975, Ken Russell) (Oliver Reed, Roger Daltrey)
True, we didn't have antigravity discs like you young whippersnappers do nowadays.....why, if we wanted water we had to crush hydrogen and oxygen together with our bare hands!@ :lmao:
Hollywood is officially out of ideas now. All they have are better terchnology/effects.
The good story lines come from the independants.
I would strike about a dozen of those and replace them with my own favorites.....but that's an 85% impressive list.
What did the 00's produce?
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 08 May 2012, 11:24
by flyingirish04
Way better music, end of assault weapons ban, the purchase of my first handgun.... :p
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 08 May 2012, 11:48
by Llagoud
:p :laugh:
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 08 May 2012, 16:18
by TEBO
i would have to say the last of the mohicans with daniel day lewis.... directed by michael mann hes a great director and theres very few movies by him that i dont like...
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 08 May 2012, 21:55
by Rapier1772
They are already planning on an Avenger's sequel (no surprise there, they can't come up with new ideas anyway) http://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-tal ... 00761.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Also in the works:
The third "Iron Man" is scheduled for 2013.
"Thor" numero dos is also on the slate for 2013.
A "Captain America" sequel should happen in 2014.
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 09 May 2012, 06:47
by MrSlippyFist
Growing up I thought the super hero movies were great. Until about 93. Then they started to suck hard noodles. Not into comic books since (ironically) about 93, but I do like a few of the recent super hero movies. Batman, Iron Man 1 and The Watchmen liked. Spiderman, Fabulous 5, no likey.
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 13 May 2012, 13:21
by fooschnickens
Rapier1772 wrote:The Avengers circa 1978
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
Hahahaha hawkeye :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 14 May 2012, 18:30
by SoCal Gunner
MrSlippyFist wrote:Growing up I thought the super hero movies were great. Until about 93. Then they started to suck hard noodles. Not into comic books since (ironically) about 93, but I do like a few of the recent super hero movies. Batman, Iron Man 1 and The Watchmen liked. Spiderman, Fabulous 5, no likey.
I'm on the same page, though I did like the first Spider-man. The Avengers was a very enjoyable movie. But as an overall cinematic experience, the last Batman with the IMAX footage was astounding. I'm looking forward to the third Batman that is reported to have over 60 min of IMAX footage. If you get the chance, pay the couple extra bucks and see it in an IMAX theater - way better bang for the buck than all the cheap 3D out there lately.
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 05 Jun 2012, 11:31
by Rapier1772
Epic FAIL I'm guessing:
They are re-doing "The Munsters" but making it into a drama. :wall:
They're also casting Jerry O'Connell to play Herman Munster. I kinda liked Sliders & a couple of his movies but I don't think the combination of The Munsters as a drama with Jerry as Herman is gonna make it.
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 05 Jun 2012, 12:41
by flyingirish04
Wow that does sound bad.
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 05 Jun 2012, 13:48
by Zhurdan
Rapier1772 wrote:Epic FAIL I'm guessing:
They are re-doing "The Munsters" but making it into a drama. :wall:
They're also casting Jerry O'Connell to play Herman Munster. I kinda liked Sliders & a couple of his movies but I don't think the combination of The Munsters as a drama with Jerry as Herman is gonna make it.
They only picked jerry O'Connell because it would take less prosthetic's to get him ready every day. ;-)
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 24 Jul 2012, 06:27
by jgreenberg01
Not a movie (yet), but it looks like it has some real potential...
Tremendously entertaining! And for those of you that are cops, you don't want to miss this one.
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 27 Sep 2012, 05:27
by Cyberfly
That 70's Avengers? It was a joke. Fan based movie trailer using clips from TV shows and movies. Was never made. Poorly done. Used clips from too many different shows and it was just wrong.
The only thing Jerry O'Connell did other than the first few seasons of Sliders that was worth watching was Joe's Apartment. Now THAT was classic.
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 27 Sep 2012, 06:39
by Rapier1772
You don't think "Hawkeye" gave away it was a joke? Wasn't wrong, was funny :p
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 27 Sep 2012, 07:34
by Cyberfly
Couldn't tell that some of the members didn't catch it.
I thought it was just stupid.
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 15 Dec 2012, 20:04
by Rapier1772
Obviously Lord of the Rings made tons of money & yeah, I also liked the movies.
Last night, a friend really wanted to go see the new prequel movie of that sort, "The Hobbit."
Ok fine, I went too. I thought it was going to be just drama & action like the other ones but it turned out to be funnier than I expected. Still had the drama & action but also threw in a little 'comic relief.'
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 15 Dec 2012, 21:28
by fooschnickens
That's pretty much how the book read. I still need to go see it, haven't had time with all the Christmas cards we've been printing at work. :wall:
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 16 Dec 2012, 00:16
by Santagata
I love a movie from 1963 and it had a great cast stars! I like to see that be remake! That movie is "the Great Escape"
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 16 Dec 2012, 05:23
by c1demo
The other great one from that era was The Longest Day. Great cast of classic stars, it even won a few Academy Awards. It also was about 3 hours long. I have both on Blue Ray.
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 27 Jan 2013, 18:36
by jgreenberg01
I just Saw Movie 43.
For the record... it does NOT belong in this thread.
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 27 Jan 2013, 18:47
by blueorison
jgreenberg01 wrote:I just Saw Movie 43.
For the record... it does NOT belong in this thread.
Dangit! It wasn't good?
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 27 Jan 2013, 18:51
by jgreenberg01
I am so tired of political correctness and was really looking forward to what looked like the most politically incorrect movie ever. They somehow screwed it up. Don't get me wrong, there were a few real laugh-out-loud moments, butttt...
Given the choice between watching this or Battlefield Earth, I might pick Movie 43.
Pardon me while I go wash my eyes out with bleach now...
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 27 Jan 2013, 22:53
by flyingirish04
I just saw "End of Watch". It was great. What "Training Day" should have been. Sorry, thought that one was way overrated.
Also went and saw "Django Unchained". Have to say Tarantino may be an idiot, but I have enjoyed all his movies. Except maybe "From Dusk Till Dawn". That one sucked.
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 28 Jan 2013, 05:00
by jgreenberg01
flyingirish04 wrote:I just saw "End of Watch". It was great. What "Training Day" should have been. Sorry, thought that one was way overrated.
Also went and saw "Django Unchained". Have to say Tarantino may be an idiot, but I have enjoyed all his movies. Except maybe "From Dusk Till Dawn". That one sucked.
C'mon now... From Dusk Til Dawn had at least two, um assets!
Ok so this is not a movie, it's was a TV series. I don't care, it's still epic, and with all due respect to all the Firefly fans here, IMHO BSG wins hands-down in awesomeness. Don't get me wrong, Firefly is still awesome... just not as awesome.
So in that spirit, look what I just mounted over my TV:
It's a good 3' behind the TV so it looks smaller in the pic, but the print is actually 62" wide which is the same width as the TV. Yeah, I know it looks like it's not parallel to the moulding above it, but I leveled it - the fraking moulding in my apartment isn't level, grrr, I have to move now!
A) Yes, I know I'm a geek.
B) You wish you had this geeky print.
3) This is just for the OCD's in the group.
:p
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 21 Jul 2013, 05:47
by jgreenberg01
Oh, and just in case anyone has forgotten:
D) One of the many reasons BSG was uber-awesome:
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 21 Jul 2013, 08:10
by Rapier1772
Meh, I didn't think it was all that; found myself comparing it to the original most of the time. I still have problems buying the whole merging of the species concept. Knocking up a cyborg? If they look like that, I can understand trying to but trying for a master race of hybrids? Little too far out there for me.
Also note that it ran for 4 seasons & so had a chance to develop its plot & characters. Firefly only had the one season before its untimely demise & still managed to accumulate a serious fan base.
IMO, Firefly > BSG
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 21 Jul 2013, 09:32
by panzermk2
Rapier1772 wrote:Meh, I didn't think it was all that; found myself comparing it to the original most of the time. I still have problems buying the whole merging of the species concept. Knocking up a cyborg? If they look like that, I can understand trying to but trying for a master race of hybrids? Little too far out there for me.
Also note that it ran for 4 seasons & so had a chance to develop its plot & characters. Firefly only had the one season before its untimely demise & still managed to accumulate a serious fan base.
IMO, Firefly > BSG
Just not room enough in the Verse...........................
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 21 Jul 2013, 11:31
by blueorison
WTH
DON'T EVER TALK TO ME AGAIN GREENBERG
WE AREN'T FRIENDS ANYMORE
GO FREAKIN RUN OUT OF AMMO
SO MAD RIGHT NOW CAN'T EVEN TYPE
HOW DARE YOU EVEN COMPARE ANYTHING TO FIREFLY
SO PISSED RIGHT NOW
BRB RAGE QUITTING.
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 21 Jul 2013, 11:44
by MrSlippyFist
Are those girls from the (IIBTC) Intergalactic Itty Bitty Tittie Committee?
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 21 Jul 2013, 11:49
by jgreenberg01
Rapier1772 wrote:Meh, I didn't think it was all that; found myself comparing it to the original most of the time. I still have problems buying the whole merging of the species concept. Knocking up a cyborg? If they look like that, I can understand trying to but trying for a master race of hybrids? Little too far out there for me.
I see. Yet a planet full of Rage-Virus-Zombified people (Reavers) being able to successfully, even expertly build/navigate/fly space ships doesn't put a dent in your ability to suspend your disbelief???
Oh and for the record, I would try to "create" that hybrid child or die trying! Bring it Athena or Six!!!
blueorison wrote:HOW DARE YOU EVEN COMPARE ANYTHING TO FIREFLY
SO PISSED RIGHT NOW
Blue, first, I am not putting down Firefly even a tiny little bit. It's a great show and I even watch Castle solely because Nathan Fillian is in it along with lots-o-Firefly Easter eggs (ok, ok. Stana Katic is a good reason to watch as well). I have it on DVD and Serenity on bluray as well. I'm just saying, again with all due respect to the Firefly fans (of which I am one), that BSG is a better show IMHO.
Second, have you even watched the BSG series?
I'm sure you have because of all the people here who know better than to offer a review of a product without first-hand knowledge, it would be you.
:p
MrSlippyFist wrote:Are those girls from the (IIBTC) Intergalactic Itty Bitty Tittie Committee?
I always believed that symmetry is more important than size. Disclaimer: The views expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect that of the forum as a whole.
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 21 Jul 2013, 12:02
by blueorison
I have seen over 10 episodes of BSG.
It is a very edge-of-your-seat hold-your-breath-till-your-head-explodes series. Few other shows have made me so nervous and tense, while watching.
Of course, the emotional and mental pay-off, as such, is great. This observation is not meant to detract from the perceived awesomeness of the show. It is merely stated to point out that Firefly does not use this mechanic.
It is entirely apples to oranges.
BSG stands close to many other series in terms of "traditional" tropes and mechanics. Even the non-traditional does not make it very far.
Firefly is outside the box. In fact, there is no box, no sound; just space, and everything in it; within, without, and withall.
THAT IS ALL.
JEWEL STAITE IS SO CUTE IT KILLS ME.
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 21 Jul 2013, 12:09
by jgreenberg01
blueorison wrote:I have seen over 10 episodes of BSG.
It is a very edge-of-your-seat hold-your-breath-till-your-head-explodes series. Few other shows have made me so nervous and tense, while watching.
Of course, the emotional and mental pay-off, as such, is great. This observation is not meant to detract from the perceived awesomeness of the show. It is merely stated to point out that Firefly does not use this mechanic.
It is entirely apples to oranges.
BSG stands close to many other series in terms of "traditional" tropes and mechanics. Even the non-traditional does not make it very far.
Firefly is outside the box. In fact, there is no box, no sound; just space, and everything in it; within, without, and withall.
THAT IS ALL.
JEWEL STAITE IS SO CUTE IT KILLS ME.
10 episodes is not enough. You need to watch both series in their entirety to be able to compare. BSG also tackled many cultural and societal issues that we have been dealing with, but set in space. Yes they are apples and oranges to a degree. Maybe Firefly could have topped BSG if it had had the chance for more full character development. Maybe not. We may never know.
And yes, Kaylee is shiny!
Inara is OMG Shinier!!!
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 21 Jul 2013, 17:04
by Rapier1772
jgreenberg01 wrote:Yet a planet full of Rage-Virus-Zombified people (Reavers) being able to successfully, even expertly build/navigate/fly space ships doesn't put a dent in your ability to suspend your disbelief???
Get yer trivia straight ya purple belly! :p
First, Reavers aren't on a planet, they hang out in space. And the reaction was only .1% of the population of Miranda, not the whole planet (30million).
B - They don't build their ships, they capture them. They also don't really maintain them, as indicated by "they're flying without containment."
三) They were likely able to fly the ships before they became Reavers. Remember, the rage thing wasn't viral or undead, it was the Pax (Paxilon Hydrochlorate) which the Alliance put into the atmospheric processors.
So yes, the fact that they retain knowledge is no big stretch; they just have severe anger management and self mutilation issues. Same applies to any engineering concepts they may use such as building the EMP device used to disable ships before boarding (or to shoot Serenity out the sky in the movie) and the booby-traps they leave for rescue ships.
Drugs that can alter one's state of mind to induce rage but leave knowledge intact? Totally believable, already exists.
Humans knocking up a robot (or vice versa) to create a master race? Not so much.
But for the record, I too would try. I get Athena, you can have Six. But I would take Kaylee over either one of them.
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 22 Jul 2013, 05:09
by jgreenberg01
Rapier1772 wrote:
jgreenberg01 wrote:Yet a planet full of Rage-Virus-Zombified people (Reavers) being able to successfully, even expertly build/navigate/fly space ships doesn't put a dent in your ability to suspend your disbelief???
Get yer trivia straight ya purple belly! :p
First, Reavers aren't on a planet, they hang out in space. And the reaction was only .1% of the population of Miranda, not the whole planet (30million).
B - They don't build their ships, they capture them. They also don't really maintain them, as indicated by "they're flying without containment."
三) They were likely able to fly the ships before they became Reavers. Remember, the rage thing wasn't viral or undead, it was the Pax (Paxilon Hydrochlorate) which the Alliance put into the atmospheric processors.
So yes, the fact that they retain knowledge is no big stretch; they just have severe anger management and self mutilation issues. Same applies to any engineering concepts they may use such as building the EMP device used to disable ships before boarding (or to shoot Serenity out the sky in the movie) and the booby-traps they leave for rescue ships.
Drugs that can alter one's state of mind to induce rage but leave knowledge intact? Totally believable, already exists.
Humans knocking up a robot (or vice versa) to create a master race? Not so much.
But for the record, I too would try. I get Athena, you can have Six. But I would take Kaylee over either one of them.
Ok, so you apply suspense of disbelief disproportionally across TV shows. I get that. I completely bought into Lost In Space when I was a kid, so I get buying into whatever floats your boat.
I think my real issue here is understanding your choice in TV Sci-Fi women. I just want to understand your preference of the women mentioned in this thread. I'm gonna draw a picture because they're worth a thousand words (and also need to keep it as PG as possible in the public forum). This is what you're saying, right?
Just checking...
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 22 Jul 2013, 05:20
by blueorison
Kaylee/Staite's personality is sweet and cute.
Pretty faces come and go.
Pretty hearts are rare.
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 22 Jul 2013, 05:50
by jgreenberg01
blueorison wrote:Kaylee/Staite's personality is sweet and cute.
Pretty faces come and go.
Pretty hearts are rare.
I hate to have to point this out, but the personalities that we perceive our favorite TV/movie personalities have, could be be off just a little. Or a LOT.
Obviously we know that they are only playing characters on the big or little screen butttt, even in interviews where you think they may be giving us a peek inside the "real" Jewel or or Tricia or Grace. Maybe yes and maybe no.
I've had the interesting opportunities to meet some famous people in real life when I ran big-box retail stores up in NY. Believe me, the REAL personality comes out when one is shopping. For example: Howard Stern was, in reality, a very quiet, private person - nothing like his on-air persona. Goldie Hawn seemed to hate people in general, at least while I was babysitting her while her people shopped for her. Tino Martinez (Yankees) was incredibly stuck-up as shi poopies. And Robert De Niro was the nicest guy you'll ever meet. You just never know.
Soooo, when it comes to TV, really all we can go by are those pretty faces.
Having said that, I wouldn't kick any of the above mentioned BSG or FF ladies out of my, um, kitchen.
Bwahaha.
EDIT: Now Blue, please stop trying to rationalize or add common sense to an otherwise healthy discussion (and pictures) about hot, Sc-Fi chicks. :p
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 22 Jul 2013, 09:51
by JoJo
blueorison wrote:WTH
DON'T EVER TALK TO ME AGAIN GREENBERG
WE AREN'T FRIENDS ANYMORE
GO FREAKIN RUN OUT OF AMMO
SO MAD RIGHT NOW CAN'T EVEN TYPE
HOW DARE YOU EVEN COMPARE ANYTHING TO FIREFLY
SO PISSED RIGHT NOW
BRB RAGE QUITTING.
Yeah, what he said.
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 22 Jul 2013, 11:07
by Rapier1772
jgreenberg, I wouldn't put a red circle over any of them. And yes, I am speaking strictly about the characters portrayed as I do not know the people.
Kaylee > Athena > Inara > Six
On second thought, I might red circle Six - she was a bit of a psych case...
jgreenberg01 wrote:Having said that, I wouldn't kick any of the above mentioned BSG or FF ladies out of my, um, kitchen.
Bwahaha.
:laugh:
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 22 Jul 2013, 12:05
by blueorison
I'm out of this thread.
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 22 Jul 2013, 13:39
by flyingirish04
Blue, I'm a Kaylee fan too. And Firefly is infinitely better than that fanboyerific BSG. But if you all are Inara fans, she is topless in Homefront. Just saying.
But again, I would rather have Kaylee.
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 22 Jul 2013, 19:40
by panzermk2
blueorison wrote:Kaylee/Staite's personality is sweet and cute.
Pretty faces come and go.
Pretty hearts are rare.
Bingo she is pretty cool IRL.
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 23 Jul 2013, 11:44
by jgreenberg01
flyingirish04 wrote:Blue, I'm a Kaylee fan too. And Firefly is infinitely better than that fanboyerific BSG. But if you all are Inara fans, she is topless in Homefront. Just saying.
But again, I would rather have Kaylee.
You say "fanboy" like it's a bad thing, and that's fine. The problem is that you really need to apply that term to fans of both series. And I'll admit to being a fanboy of both as they both have a large and dedicated following. You can guess by my custom wallet (and previous posts) which one I prefer though:
Yes, I am a major geek, but then again, the first step is to admit that there's a problem.
By the way, with all the comparison of the women in BSG & FF, I'm surprised that no one has mentioned Summer Glau...
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 23 Jul 2013, 23:03
by panzermk2
She is hot but way too crazy chick to have on our boat Mel
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 24 Jul 2013, 04:27
by jgreenberg01
panzermk2 wrote:She is hot but way too crazy chick to have on our boat Mel
Really Jay? You can say that, but she's all grown up now. I think you, in particular, might appreciate this:
Permission to come aboard?
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 24 Jul 2013, 08:34
by Rapier1772
I think he was probably just referring to her time on Firefly, if that's the case then I would agree with Jay.
But yes, in her other roles :drool:
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 24 Jul 2013, 15:24
by panzermk2
Rapier1772 wrote:I think he was probably just referring to her time on Firefly, if that's the case then I would agree with Jay.
But yes, in her other roles :drool:
Hence the Jayne quote.
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 24 Jul 2013, 16:49
by jgreenberg01
panzermk2 wrote:
Rapier1772 wrote:I think he was probably just referring to her time on Firefly, if that's the case then I would agree with Jay.
But yes, in her other roles :drool:
Hence the Jayne quote.
I got that.
I'm just blurring the lines between the characters & the actors. I agree that frakking a Cylon is a scary thought. And that's why I would rather picture a Jeff sandwich with Grace Park & Tricia Helfer bread.
On the FF menu, it would have to be Morena Baccarin & Summer Glau.
But of course all of that is just fantasy, as I don't expect them to come knocking on my door any time soon. So as long as we're talking fantasy, it's time to switch back to the characters and for me... Inara out hands down out of all the BSG & FF gals. As Jayne said when Inara was with the female Councillor: "I'll be in my bunk."
But I still thing that BSG is the better series! :p
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 26 Jul 2013, 19:34
by 500SWfan
BSG? Loved it until the fourth season where they painted themselves into a corner and couldn't figure a way out besides the lame ending.
Firefly? Network execs are the biggest MORONS on planet Earth for canceling it. But that's just it. They live on Earth and just don't understand the 'verse.
MrSlippyFist wrote:Are those girls from the (IIBTC) Intergalactic Itty Bitty Tittie Committee?
Hey! I'm the vice-president of the IIBTFC Intergalactic Itty Bitty Titty Fan Club.
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 26 Jul 2013, 20:14
by blueorison
500SWfan wrote:BSG? Loved it until the fourth season where they painted themselves into a corner and couldn't figure a way out besides the lame ending.
Firefly? Network execs are the biggest MORONS on planet Earth for canceling it. But that's just it. They live on Earth and just don't understand the 'verse.
MrSlippyFist wrote:Are those girls from the (IIBTC) Intergalactic Itty Bitty Tittie Committee?
Hey! I'm the vice-president of the IIBTFC Intergalactic Itty Bitty Titty Fan Club.
You and me are friends.
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 26 Jul 2013, 20:57
by MrSlippyFist
If only Christina Hendricks was in one of these shows, that would tip the scales.... Oh wait....
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 27 Jul 2013, 23:51
by flyingirish04
Fanboy denotes someone that has to have something because of a show, besides maybe DVDs or movie/promotional poster of the show. So if you have to have memorabilia or guns because a show has it denotes being a fanboy.
I am not a Firefly fanboy because I don't have any of that. I love the show for its well thought out creativity and uniqueness. I would never own a Firefly ship model, or *COUGH* original art piece mixing renaissance painting with sci-fi characters *AHEM*.
But hey, to each their own. If that is what float your boat, all the better for you.
I still might make fun of you for it though
It could be worse. You could be a snake fanboy.
CALL BACK...
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 28 Jul 2013, 00:10
by Rapier1772
I would like to own a Firefly.
I don't mean a model of a firefly, I mean the actual ship.
You may call me a fanboy because of it but I wouldn't care.
For that matter, I wouldn't mind the actual Galactica either :laugh:
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 28 Jul 2013, 00:18
by 500SWfan
MrSlippyFist wrote:If only Christina Hendricks was in one of these shows, that would tip the scales.... Oh wait....
:thumb: Mmm, that villainous vixen Saffron (NOT in BSG).
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 28 Jul 2013, 05:32
by jgreenberg01
flyingirish04 wrote:Fanboy denotes someone that has to have something because of a show, besides maybe DVDs or movie/promotional poster of the show. So if you have to have memorabilia or guns because a show has it denotes being a fanboy.
I am not a Firefly fanboy because I don't have any of that. I love the show for its well thought out creativity and uniqueness. I would never own a Firefly ship model, or *COUGH* original art piece mixing renaissance painting with sci-fi characters *AHEM*.
But hey, to each their own. If that is what float your boat, all the better for you.
I still might make fun of you for it though
It could be worse. You could be a snake fanboy.
CALL BACK...
Ok, now you're just making stuff up. I only have heard (and used) fanboi or fanboy in a somewhat derogatory term. I did that not so much because of the behavior exhibited, but because of the causes they picked to be fans of. Can anyone say Twilight?
But because I didn't really know the etymology of the words(s), I wanted to check before saying pants on fire. Typically, fanboi/fanboy is defined as a person who is strongly devoted to, possibly bordering on obsessed with a show/movie/band/etc. Nowhere can it be found that owning memorabilia is a parameter of being a fanboy. Take your pick of definitions:
For the record, I am proud to be a fanboy of Firefly & BSG. Throw Star Trek in there too. Star Wars to a certain extent as well. The genre is a great escape for me from the pressures of the business world. And yes, I like memorabilia & props to help create a certain... ambiance in the home theater.
And guns too. Lot's of guns.
Oh wait, does that make me a firearm fanboy/fanboi? :p
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 28 Jul 2013, 13:04
by flyingirish04
Well then by that definition I'm not a fan boy either, because I am not obsessed with any show or movie. I enjoy quite a few, but obsession? no.
Still symptoms of obsession and thus fanboyism still fit with my definition.:p
And you can't be a fanboy of firearms as they are not a show, or book, or movie. They are not contrived, or made up.
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 28 Jul 2013, 17:22
by jgreenberg01
flyingirish04 wrote:Well then by that definition I'm not a fan boy either, because I am not obsessed with any show or movie. I enjoy quite a few, but obsession? no.
Still symptoms of obsession and thus fanboyism still fit with my definition.:p
And you can't be a fanboy of firearms as they are not a show, or book, or movie. They are not contrived, or made up.
Au contraire mon frère:
Noun
fanboy (plural fanboys)
(fandom slang) Someone (normally male) who is utterly devoted to a single subject or hobby, often to the point where it is considered an obsession.
flyingirish04 wrote:Wiki. Not credible. You fail again :p
Fine from dictionary.com:
Dictionary.com Define Fanboy Instantly. Faster Page Loads With Fewer Ads.
fan·boy
[fan-boi] Show IPA
noun Informal: Often Disparaging.
an obsessive male fan, especially of something technological or from popular culture: Apple fanboys lined up to buy the new phone.
Often, fan·boi.
I submit that we all have to face up to the fact the we are all fanboys of firearms. 95% of the people on this forum are PASIONATE supporters of the second amendment rights. Are you gonna try to tell me that Glock fans don't border on fanatics (and for no good reason IMHO)?
We here are into Five-seveNs for the most part, but certainly firearms in general.
C'mon Irish - the first step is to admit that there's a problem.
"Hi, I'm Irish and I'm a firearms fanboy."
"Hi Irish."
:p :p :p :p
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 28 Jul 2013, 21:28
by flyingirish04
Yeah see that is brand specific. So I guess I would say you could be a FN fanboy. But I maintain you can't be a gun fanboy. You merely can aspire to be a gun enthusiast.
:p
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 29 Jul 2013, 04:20
by jgreenberg01
flyingirish04 wrote:Yeah see that is brand specific. So I guess I would say you could be a FN fanboy. But I maintain you can't be a gun fanboy. You merely can aspire to be a gun enthusiast.
:p
Fine, I'm tired of this and will let you have the last word. You're still a fanboy!!! Na-nee-na-nee-boo-boo
Back on topic:
MrSlippyFist wrote:If only Christina Hendricks was in one of these shows, that would tip the scales.... Oh wait....
Did someone mention Christina Hendricks?
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 29 Jul 2013, 07:22
by flyingirish04
Not a fanboy. And you didn't let me have the last word so now I will pummel you with banter.
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 29 Jul 2013, 08:48
by jgreenberg01
flyingirish04 wrote:Not a fanboy. And you didn't let me have the last word so now I will pummel you with banter.
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 12 Aug 2013, 01:27
by Rapier1772
Firefly pics - just because:
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 23 Aug 2013, 04:49
by jgreenberg01
Superman & Batman on the same big screen. Yes.
The particular casting for the role... I don't even know what to think about this.
In a statement, director Zack Snyder expressed his excitement about the casting of Affleck, noting, “Ben provides an interesting counter-balance to Henry’s Superman. He has the acting chops to create a layered portrayal of a man who is older and wiser than Clark Kent and bears the scars of a seasoned crime fighter, but retain the charm that the world sees in billionaire Bruce Wayne. I can’t wait to work with him.”
Meh. I prefer to underestimate, degrade and expect utter <profanity> when it comes to, well just about everything - especially movies. So that way, it's nice when I'm surprised. Didn't he already do a superhero movie where he was deaf and blind or something?
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 23 Aug 2013, 21:37
by Rapier1772
Just blind in Daredevil
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 25 Aug 2013, 19:29
by Rapier1772
jgreenberg01 wrote:Superman & Batman on the same big screen. Yes.
The particular casting for the role... I don't even know what to think about this.
In a statement, director Zack Snyder expressed his excitement about the casting of Affleck, noting, “Ben provides an interesting counter-balance to Henry’s Superman. He has the acting chops to create a layered portrayal of a man who is older and wiser than Clark Kent and bears the scars of a seasoned crime fighter, but retain the charm that the world sees in billionaire Bruce Wayne. I can’t wait to work with him.”
Also, just for fun
Re: Epic Movie Thread
Posted: 23 Sep 2013, 21:55
by Rapier1772
For those of you who are sad that Dexter is ending (ahem, Lisa):