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Re: Completely unrelated

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Re: Completely unrelated

Post by Oldbindlestiff » 12 Sep 2013, 06:23

Ouch! 1950's twerking... :thumb:
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Re: Completely unrelated

Post by jgreenberg01 » 12 Sep 2013, 06:25

That girl has stamina! I've been watching for an hour to see if she gets tired. I'm impressed!!!
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Re: Completely unrelated

Post by Rapier1772 » 18 Sep 2013, 09:02

Starbuck's no longer wants guns in their stores
http://news.yahoo.com/starbucks-guns-in ... 15379.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
They aren't banning them but they are officially requesting customers don't carry - at least not openly.

In a way, I can see their point. They've been put in the spotlight & made an example of on both sides of the gun debate. They didn't want to be there, they just deferred to local laws.

I just hope they don't put those stupid gun spree zone signs up.
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Re: Completely unrelated

Post by blueorison » 18 Sep 2013, 14:27

Rapier1772 wrote:Starbuck's no longer wants guns in their stores
http://news.yahoo.com/starbucks-guns-in ... 15379.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
They aren't banning them but they are officially requesting customers don't carry - at least not openly.

In a way, I can see their point. They've been put in the spotlight & made an example of on both sides of the gun debate. They didn't want to be there, they just deferred to local laws.

I just hope they don't put those stupid gun spree zone signs up.
Idiots carrying guns "exercising their rights". I am all for exercising your rights, but just because you CAN doesn't mean you SHOULD.

Bringing AR15's and shotguns into Starbucks with magazines inserted is idiotic and very irresponsible. It makes people perceive gun owners like fools.

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Re: Completely unrelated

Post by Rapier1772 » 18 Sep 2013, 14:34

Exactly
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Re: Completely unrelated

Post by Hobknob » 18 Sep 2013, 20:47

blueorison wrote:
Rapier1772 wrote:Starbuck's no longer wants guns in their stores
http://news.yahoo.com/starbucks-guns-in ... 15379.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
They aren't banning them but they are officially requesting customers don't carry - at least not openly.

In a way, I can see their point. They've been put in the spotlight & made an example of on both sides of the gun debate. They didn't want to be there, they just deferred to local laws.

I just hope they don't put those stupid gun spree zone signs up.
Idiots carrying guns "exercising their rights". I am all for exercising your rights, but just because you CAN doesn't mean you SHOULD.

Bringing AR15's and shotguns into Starbucks with magazines inserted is idiotic and very irresponsible. It makes people perceive gun owners like fools.

http://practicaltacticalpodcast.com/starbucks/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Conversely, just because you don't, doesn't mean you shouldn't :)

There are many different ways to expose people to law abiding, upstanding people with guns. The best response in any vaguely diplomatic encounter isn't to be as in-your-face as possible (which is what some of the OC guys do...particularly with the staged Starbucks events).
The other side of the coin is that if people are never actually exposed to appropriate/calm gun owners, then there is a good chance they will believe the anti-gun rhetoric that is espoused in most of media.

Much like any fear of the unknown, one of the best ways to treat it is with a slow inoculation. You don't start out with everything at once. You slowly over months, years, or decades keep pushing the envelope just a little.
This is also basically the way guns were removed from everyday society. Each generation was pushed a little further from them until it was no longer considered socially acceptable to simply have one on your hip or in your truck. With that social shift came laws to reinforce the fears by ensuring that the guns stayed out of sight. It's only been in the last decade or so that it seems folks are starting to realize just how far the envelope has been pushed and they have started to push back. Open carry and concealed carry have made a HUGE comeback in nearly every state.
That didn't happen by people just sitting back and not becoming involved. It happened because some people decided that it was worth the inconvenience, the ridicule, the embarrassment, and sometimes being arrested (in order to have an appropriate case that could be addressed by the Supreme Court).

I have personally been lambasted by a couple of the CC crowd when I brought up the fact that I've OC'd while accompanied by my young boys as we went out to get some ice cream cones on a hot summer day.
Statements like "well that was dumb" and "just think what might have happened if someone screamed or got in your face about it, or if a Cop had shown up and cuffed you in front of your sons...or worse" show the exact same kind of fear (just on the opposite side of the coin) that needs to be slowly worn down.

In response to rash judgements, I made the statement that in any event I would hope it would serve as a learning experience for my sons on how a man should handle himself when presented with people of different opinions who may or may not be friendly. Honestly, where else are kids going to learn how to act like adults in tough situations, if they have no one to watch. TV doesn't show it, schools rarely have it (they have forfeited their maturity and their ability to make sound judgements in favor of "Zero Tolerance" policies).

Do I hope for a confrontation and have a camera handy just so I can youtube it for ratings or get some wannabe superhero thrill? Nope.
Do I regularly OC? Nope.
Do I flagrantly OC? Nope.
Do I dress like a gang-banger or a mall-ninja when I OC? Nope.
Do I go in blind to my surroundings or strut around? Nope.
Do I go about my business in such a manner that I don't deliberately draw attention to myself? Yep.
Do I have a plan A, B, and C (and sometimes half the alphabet) in case something goes sideways? For damn sure.

Not to equate the OC guys to the founding fathers, but the final line in the Declaration of Independence does resonate in the sense that some people are willing to risk much in order to reclaim some of the lost ground. "And for the support of this Declaration with a firm reliance on the protection of divine providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor"

So to summarize my long-winded response, the immediate tactical benefits of OC generally lose to the CC arguments, but the long term social/political (and thus personal) benefits of reacclimating society at large with guns is huge. - again, done in a non-aggressive manner.

PS. Blue: what exactly would the point be of having an AR without a mag? :)
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Re: Completely unrelated

Post by blueorison » 18 Sep 2013, 20:58

In response to Hobbes;

"Speak softly, and carry a big stick."

I don't want to get in an argument; I've given up trying to discuss things online.

You do things your way, and I will do things my way.

For me, I don't choose to carry and show others what I have. I get your point, and I appreciate that people like you express your decisions. I fully understand your point that the other side edges out our rights, slowly, methodically. I completely get it. It's not an all or nothing.

However, if you notice how lackluster the guy with the AR15 is with securing his firearm, etc. And that it is loaded; anyone can easily grab it. It's leaning against his chair, muzzle on the ground.

There are idiots, then there are idiots who own firearms. Just because some people own firearms, doesn't make them part of a group I immediately respect. I don't jump on bandwagons that easily. :thumb:
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Re: Completely unrelated

Post by jgreenberg01 » 19 Sep 2013, 04:43

Making public statements aside, I still see absolutely no good reason to OC in this world. There are way too many BGs and crazies out there, and personally I don't need or want them to know what or even that I am carrying.

I'm not arguing, I am a realist. If you find yourself in a fair fight, then your tactics suck.

YMMV.
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Re: Completely unrelated

Post by Hobknob » 19 Sep 2013, 19:58

Yep, I agree with both of you on just about every point :)

I just thought the argument needed another side thrown in there to balance it out and present a differing perspective.

That being said, I'm a much bigger fan of CC than OC. Other than for social purposes, I typically only OC when away from civilization.

Also, +1k on the fair fight nonsense. That's a great way to get beat up or dead.
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Re: Completely unrelated

Post by jgreenberg01 » 04 Oct 2013, 06:37

So I have this idiot arguing with me on youtube:

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If anyone else feels like chiming in, please be my guest, just go to the video's page. I've had this argument too many times already. I'm tired. :D

Here's the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i_kLGlm ... OmUnfWETUQ" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Completely unrelated

Post by Rapier1772 » 04 Oct 2013, 06:58

As an NRA instructor, we're taught to say gun or firearm & not call it a weapon, which took some retraining on my part :laugh: While I may not agree with their reasoning (basically, calling it a weapon gives people more reason to fear it), I do play by their rules when teaching.

Some people just have to argue.
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Re: Completely unrelated

Post by Rapier1772 » 04 Oct 2013, 13:51

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Re: Completely unrelated

Post by eagleshotz » 04 Oct 2013, 17:24

:skep: :skep:

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Re: Completely unrelated

Post by eagleshotz » 04 Oct 2013, 17:36

:drool: :D

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Re: Completely unrelated

Post by Rapier1772 » 04 Oct 2013, 18:06

I guess as long as you mute the speakers it's ok.
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Re: Completely unrelated

Post by eagleshotz » 04 Oct 2013, 18:12

Rapier1772 wrote:I guess as long as you mute the speakers it's ok.

WHAT! Let me guess, you rather have the fox song on huh? :lmao:

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Re: Completely unrelated

Post by Rapier1772 » 04 Oct 2013, 18:24

Actually yes, at least that was somewhat entertaining.
That Rihanna vid thing is only entertaining with the sound off.
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Re: Completely unrelated

Post by jgreenberg01 » 05 Oct 2013, 03:57

Rapier1772 wrote:Actually yes, at least that was somewhat entertaining.
That Rihanna vid thing is only entertaining with the sound off.
Here, IMHO, is what I find to actually be entertaining:
Rapier1772 wrote:Image
Then again, I'm easily distracted...
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Re: Completely unrelated

Post by Rapier1772 » 05 Oct 2013, 05:08

I only meant as a choice between the two vids
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