Sentiment on Bone's ss190 Sale

flyingirish04 · Post by **flyingirish04** » 13 Apr 2011, 10:44

I think it is a dumb thing saying it is less honorable. I disagree completely. It has ZERO to do with honor. You sell for what you can get. If Bones wants to give a deal, fine. He is selling below market. He is making money off of a connect he has, why shouldn't others.

If business sold goods for cost, they wouldn't be around, and people would lose their jobs. Plus, the person that makes money on the reselling will spend it elsewhere. It is a beautiful thing what they are doing and anyone that questions that, needs to check themselves drastically. Sorry, it is what it is.

What Bones is doing is not more or less honorable. Period, end of story. Pretty dangerous to say there is some moral dilemma here. If you don't want to buy don't. Morals have nothing to do with it.

Post by **f3rr37** » 13 Apr 2011, 10:50

***Note: The following isn't at all how I feel about Bones, I'm just throwing out "what-ifs".***

We could always flip the sentiment of it being "dishonorable" and say, Bones is selling AP ammunition to the general public in which it could get into the hands of someone with less than desirable intentions, and God forbid, it ends up being used in a crime against law enforcement.

Post by **MrSlippyFist** » 13 Apr 2011, 10:50

If a retired police officer can get SS198LF for less than 197 and sell it for $100 a box, simply because he can - am I wrong for having the opinion that this makes him an absolute douchebag?

flyingirish04 · Post by **flyingirish04** » 13 Apr 2011, 10:56

I am no conspiracy theorist at all. However the heartburn we see people displaying here is a product of social justice advocates, and whole the education system's indoctrination for the past 20 years. Even I catch myself thinking it at times, and it is wrong.

They have brainwashed people at a young age to think that making profits are a bad thing. People say they understand supply and demand, but this is different. That is absolute crap. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH IT.

Socialists have long said capitalism is a exploitative system, and that is basically what all you guys are accusing the sellers of. Explotation. It is a crock of shite.

I'm sorry, but if we are truly to embrace the free market principles that make this country great, we need to check these artificially implanted sentiments at the door. I am not being overdramatic when I say that this type of thinking is destroying our country.

flyingirish04 · Post by **flyingirish04** » 13 Apr 2011, 10:58

MrSlippyFist wrote:If a retired police officer can get SS198LF for less than 197 and sell it for $100 a box, simply because he can - am I wrong for having the opinion that this makes him an absolute douchebag?

I would say yes, you are wrong. Its FNs policy to sell to just LEOs. If you have to be angry about someone, it should be FN. They are the douchebag for restriciting their ammo. Even then, it is a private business, they can sell how they like. And by the LEO forking over more of his cash to buy more ammo for resale, he is bolstering the economy. He then bolsters it again when he spends the money. It is a beautiful thing.

Now if he then went to lobby government to ensure that only LEOs could purchase ammo, regardless of what FN wanted to do, in order for him to sell at a higher price, then he would be a douchebag, as you say.

The company you work for puts forth capital in order to produce a product, then charges more for that product in order to do what??? Make money. Not everyone can do what they do. Does that make them a douchebag??? NO!

PainKillaX · Post by **PainKillaX** » 13 Apr 2011, 10:59

I agree entirely. I was not looking at this from an economic stand-point when I originally post. Error in my thinking. Regardless of how I feel on the matter, the seller is fully in right to do so and it makes sense. I'm out of this

flyingirish04 · Post by **flyingirish04** » 13 Apr 2011, 11:02

PainKillaX, my first reaction was the same as your first reaction. I will be honest. But the more I thought about it, the more I knew I was wrong, and the more I was terrified that my first gut reaction was that I though negatively at people reselling on GB.

I understand where it is coming from, but man is it dangerous thinking.

Post by **MrSlippyFist** » 13 Apr 2011, 11:04

Yes he has a right to do that (and I won't argue that), and I have a right to believe he is a douchebag. The affects his actions might have on the market are debatable.

flyingirish04 · Post by **flyingirish04** » 13 Apr 2011, 11:07

MrSlippyFist wrote:Yes he has a right to do that (and I won't argue that), and I have a right to believe he is a douchebag. The affects his actions might have on the market are debatable.

Only if you doubt capitalism. I would think less of anyone that thought less of the LEO in this circumstance. Do I disagree with FN's policy, yes. If he were even part of a LEO's effort to keep the ammo restricted would I think less of him, yes. Otherwise no. It is just too dangerous of a sentiment to have.

flyingirish04 · Post by **flyingirish04** » 13 Apr 2011, 11:09

Probably could move this to the politics section of the forum.

Post by **jmz5** » 13 Apr 2011, 11:11

f3rr37 wrote:What if some of these people who are re-selling, were out of a job and had $500 that they knew they could flip for a large profit?

What if they bought this ammo, it sat in their closet for a month, then they sold it?

People are making too big of a deal out of this.

+1

Stop bitching and get over it. :skep:

Post by **blueorison** » 13 Apr 2011, 11:12

You guys miss my point entirely.

I am not arguing from a simple sale to sale standpoint.

I'm arguing from Bone's original intent. If they resold it from another seller they bought it from and it was just that; I completely agree with your point.

I see Bone's intent to sell the ammunition for collectors to COLLECT and for people to SHOOT. Not resell. Therein lies my argument.

If you wish to argue with me, argue from what I say, not what you commonly see depicted.

Don't turn this into a Capitalist/Anti-Capitalist debate. I love Capitalism. That's not what I'm arguing against, here.

Fuzzy, in response to what you said; yes, it is dishonorable for someone to buy AP from someone NOT INTENDING for it to be used immorally and against innocent citizens or LE. That was NOT Bones' intent nor most of the sellers on GB unless they are dealing intentionally with criminals.

Again, please respond APPROPRIATELY. Don't take what I say out of context.

Thank you.

flyingirish04 · Post by **flyingirish04** » 13 Apr 2011, 11:16

blueorison wrote:You guys miss my point entirely.

I am not arguing from a simple sale to sale standpoint.

I'm arguing from Bone's original intent. If they resold it from another seller they bought it from and it was just that; I completely agree with your point.

I see Bone's intent to sell the ammunition for collectors to COLLECT and for people to SHOOT. Not resell. Therein lies my argument.

If you wish to argue with me, argue from what I say, not what you commonly see depicted.

Don't turn this into a Capitalist/Anti-Capitalist debate. I love Capitalism. That's not what I'm arguing against, here.

Fuzzy, in response to what you said; yes, it is dishonorable for someone to buy AP from someone NOT INTENDING for it to be used immorally and against innocent citizens or LE. That was NOT Bones' intent nor most of the sellers on GB unless they are dealing intentionally with criminals.

Again, please respond APPROPRIATELY. Don't take what I say out of context.

Thank you.

Blue I would challenge that. No one is taking what you say out of context. In fact, it may be you taking this issue out of context. This isn't a moral issue. Bones is selling a product. He is not requiring it be for collection. If he were, he wouldn't be selling so much of it, and it would be on him to ensure everyone who is buying is collecting. If he is asking the question to each and every person, and each person is lying, then and only then would it be a moral issue. That isn't happening.

Also, he is making at least 300% profit on the deal. Good for him. Someone would have to resell for $400 dollars to capture the profit margin he is. Good for them.

By linking this to a moral issue, you are in fact inadvertantly being Anti-capitalist. Its a matter of definitions. It isn't just you, I had that same reaction at first too. It is still a wrong, and in a way amoral reaction. Who are we to question what someone does with their money, as long as it is legal?

Post by **blueorison** » 13 Apr 2011, 11:22

His intent was never for people to resell the ammunition. It was to shoot and collect the ammunition. How am I taking this issue out of context? I don't think I am at all.

I've always believed in Capitalism, so say what you may, it doesn't change the fact that I am a Capitalist.

My argument stems from his intent, not the actual sale. Also, there are other companies that restrict their ammunition, are they also what you call FN for doing so?

I agree with all the comments on Capitalism but as long as ya'll don't get what I'm coming from there is no point for me to "discuss" this. I'm done with this thread. People are being too offensive about it and using derogatory terms in reply to me while I have done no such thing.

flyingirish04 · Post by **flyingirish04** » 13 Apr 2011, 11:26

One, his intent, is only for his property.

Two, once he sells (for a huge margin btw), and transfers said property, what gives him any right to tell the buyer what he can or can not do with said sold property?

Three, I haven't used derogatory terms at all. The fact is that by saying it is wrong for one person to sell for a profit, while it isn't for another, is anti-capitalist.

I am not picking on you. I just think you are making this a moral issue when it clearly is not. That is what I mean about taking this issue out of context.

flyingirish04 · Post by **flyingirish04** » 13 Apr 2011, 11:29

Furthermore, I am sure FN doesn't intend for 190 to be resold to the public for 3 times what it was bought for originally (don't know what Bones paid for it, just know what it would cost a LE agency). I don't agree with this sentiment, but it is what it is.

So if you have a problem with people reselling when that wasn't the intent (worried about BGs, or whatever), then you would have to have a problem with the whole deal. And unless Bones is doing a background check on everyone, then the same risk applys.

I don't have a problem with any of it. :thumb:

Robar · Post by **Robar** » 13 Apr 2011, 11:35

I can see the points made from both sides of the discussion. I saw the SS190 for sale, but did not buy any. I didn't buy any because I felt that I couldn't justify purchasing this ammo right now. Had I wanted to capitalize on the ammo I could have come up with the investment funds for the initial purchase, but I looked at it as an opportunity for me to posses decent factory ammo, not make money. That's just the way I see it.

cHaMeLeoN352 · Post by **cHaMeLeoN352** » 13 Apr 2011, 11:35

This is really getting silly guys :p ...get over it.

As I said before, this should have been expected and good luck to those who sold all theirs when zombies are on the loose

Just let it go and be happy there is ANY ss190 to go around.

flyingirish04 · Post by **flyingirish04** » 13 Apr 2011, 11:37

Robar wrote:I can see the points made from both sides of the discussion. I saw the SS190 for sale, but did not buy any. I didn't buy any because I felt that I couldn't justify purchasing this ammo right now. Had I wanted to capitalize on the ammo I could have come up with the investment funds for the initial purchase, but I looked at it as an opportunity for me to posses decent factory ammo, not make money. That's just the way I see it.

And that's fine. Just don't take a Biz Development job. Always look to close the new deal!!! ABC, Always Be Closing!!! :laugh: :p

Robar · Post by **Robar** » 13 Apr 2011, 11:40

flyingirish04 wrote:

And that fine. Just don't take a Biz Development job. Always look to close the new deal!!! ABC, Always Be Closing!!! :laugh: :p

That's probably what I need to do. Find a different career.

flyingirish04 · Post by **flyingirish04** » 13 Apr 2011, 11:41

I work marketing, biz development in the petroleum industry. It is fun, but it is a grind sometimes! Never be satisfied, grind on.

Post by **Rapier1772** » 13 Apr 2011, 12:10

Unless personal use or collection was a condition of sale, then there is no reason to have any animosity for someone who chooses to sell something that they rightfully own.

Or should I look forward to you people bashing me for selling the 500+ S4s I still have? Marked up resale was one idea I was planning on when I bought them. Does that make me dishonorable?

flyingirish04 · Post by **flyingirish04** » 13 Apr 2011, 12:27

Rapier. YOu are a terrible human being unless you sell them all to me...for a dollar.

Post by **blueorison** » 13 Apr 2011, 12:54

Irish and I are talking, Rapier, and I always keep an open mind. I rescind some of the opinions I voiced. Don't take offense to them.

Again... please read what I said :laugh: EA has never sold ammo with Bone's intent. So it would not apply to you, Rapier.

:wall: As a mod I'm not supposed to be engaging in debates like this. I apologize to everyone. :cya:

I agree on the point that once the person's property, they can do whatever they want with it.

romer522 · Post by **romer522** » 13 Apr 2011, 13:10

If anything some of this ss190 going on GB is sharing the deal with people who otherwise wouldn't have access to it, or don't have any google-fu to find it here.

You think the guys that were paying $300 a box on GB are shooting it up? No, they are collectors too and are now going get it for substantially less than they would have before due to this flood of SS190.

If I had the cash sitting around I would have bought a couple cases, made the phone calls for a couple days, and turned it all around for a profit myself, but I didn't have the funds, well that coupled with the fact you run into some liability selling this ammo and I wasn't even going to put in on GB.

PainKillaX · Post by **PainKillaX** » 13 Apr 2011, 13:46

flyingirish04 wrote:PainKillaX, my first reaction was the same as your first reaction. I will be honest. But the more I thought about it, the more I knew I was wrong, and the more I was terrified that my first gut reaction was that I though negatively at people reselling on GB.

I understand where it is coming from, but man is it dangerous thinking.

I'm rather pissed about my initial reaction too. It's the damn city and university. They put something in the water :laugh:

Post by **Rapier1772** » 13 Apr 2011, 14:12

flyingirish04 wrote:Rapier. You are a terrible human being unless you sell them all to me...for a dollar.

Sure, $1 each
+5000% sales tax (each) and shipping/handling/insurance - rates may vary and will be determined by seller

Blue, I have read what you said - hell, I've read this entire thread 3x over today. My remarks were not directed merely at you but for the entire thread.

I am not offended by anyone in particular - more that apparently some people think they have a right to tell others what to do with the other person's money/property. That, I have a problem with.
-The OP said "shame on you" for trying to turn a profit.
-Pain wanted to flame at first
-Several others called BS
Thankfully, some have changed their original reaction as points were discussed & saw things the right way :p :laugh:
For the others, why the contempt? This is how the market works. No one is forcing anyone to buy these for an inflated rate on GB - it is their choice. Its not like during Katrina when people would take generators down to LA & sell them for $1000s (should have hung those #$%^&heads) But no one NEEDS 190s (not right now). I have read Bones' for sale thread - at no point does he say it is for your personal use or collection only. He did mention shooting enjoyment and collection but it was not listed as a condition of sale.
Enough.. I am just rehashing what Irish already said at this point.

Since when did trying to recoup your costs/make a profit turn evil? At $2+ per round, how can anyone blame someone for trying get some money back?

eddie · Post by **eddie** » 13 Apr 2011, 15:00

what does Bones think? that is the real issue IMO......

flyingirish04 · Post by **flyingirish04** » 13 Apr 2011, 15:32

eddie wrote:what does Bones think? that is the real issue IMO......

Yeah, I don't. Sorry, but I don't think it matters. He has no basis to be angry considering his original mark up, and the fact he could sell at the same price. Nothing personal, but he can't take issue without taking issue for his own actions. I have no issues with anything, so I am not beating up on Bones.

CenCalSplicer · Post by **CenCalSplicer** » 13 Apr 2011, 15:37

I think that bones position is pretty clear cut by the sale he advertised. Irish completely back up his POV very eloquently and I agree with him 100%. Buy it and keep it or sell it, your choice as a consumer. A mountain has been made out of a mole hill. Move on folks there is nothing more to see here.

flyingirish04 · Post by **flyingirish04** » 13 Apr 2011, 15:43

CenCalSplicer wrote: Irish completely back up his POV very eloquently and I agree with him 100%.

There is a first time for everything, right? :laugh:

beatrix · Post by **beatrix** » 13 Apr 2011, 16:19

Hot damn! Sounds like I just missed a sale. I would have shot all of it :p

Post by **f3rr37** » 13 Apr 2011, 16:26

beatrix wrote:Hot damn! Sounds like I just missed a sale. I would have shot all of it :p

This topic was split from the sale thread in the Classifieds (accessories), check the original thread there for more information.

Bones · Post by **Bones** » 13 Apr 2011, 17:13

Okay :p :p I am fine with what ever. I really just shoot a bunch! Off topic now but I left on of my ammo invoices laying on my night stand..... My wife as beautiful and understanding as she is asked" what is this for?" Me nervously stated ammo for the month and a new barrel since my other is shot out.........long pause........my wife looking at me........longer pause..........silence.......then she says......" okay" wow. I am finally comfortable in my marriage! My wife saw a bill for 5 cases of 556 and 1 case of ss197 and 4 cases of 40 cal not to mention the new barrel and all she said was " okay" we then went out to dinner and life is good......

Listen guys. It's okay to buy this stuff and sell it other places. Really. I just got a good deal and happen to shoot I guess more than most. I just figured it was a good deal and figured other people shoot as much as myself. If you shoot a bunch cool. If not thats cool to. I'm really apathetic when it really comes down to it........Sell it shoot it. One thing is for sure. When I run out, that's it! I have 10 cases set aside for myself to shoot at my own leisure. I'm a firm believer in Kahrma either way. So as you may. It's the American way.

Funny. I just rhymed. One more thing. Don't beat me uo for grammar or spelling. I'm on the smart phone on the road

Post by **blueorison** » 13 Apr 2011, 17:34

I thought grammar and spelling is what the SMART in the phones are for

I think the thread is settled, anyhow.

Also, I wouldn't mind if such a gorgeous lady was mad at me

But seeing what just went down, and she was still ok with you, you might want to um make it up to her somehow.

*cough*

joe_r95 · Post by **joe_r95** » 13 Apr 2011, 17:54

Not to get off topic, but does your wife happen to have a slightly younger sister?

Bones · Post by **Bones** » 13 Apr 2011, 18:38

joe_r95 wrote:Not to get off topic, but does your wife happen to have a slightly younger sister?

Are you implying something about my age :furious:

Lol :laugh: Nah....She only has a dead beat Brother :facepalm: ...But yes Blue. I broke down and bought her an IPAD. Me I cant stand them since the whole flash thing but she is all MAC'ed out. What can I say? She has her buttons to push and me the triggers to pull. Even Steven :lmao: It has taken a few years but all is smooth now. Long road for you younger guys but damn really with age comes wisdom. I aint sayn I know it all casue I damn sure keep on getting edumacted every day but if you are in a relationship work at it and give it some time. One more thing since I am so ADD with the whole tangent thing......What was I saying???? Hmmm...Oh yeah! ...... I almost forgot. Everyone is allowed one practice wife or husband :thumb: :lmao:

firestorm248 · Post by **firestorm248** » 13 Apr 2011, 18:41

Bones wrote:What was I saying???? Hmmm...Oh yeah! ...... I almost forgot. Everyone is allowed one practice wife or husband :thumb: :lmao:

Amen to that :laugh:

jckilla · Post by **jckilla** » 14 Apr 2011, 10:48

All I was saying is that MOST of the people who said they were buying the SS190s said they were doing it for shooting or collecting ( as did Bones hint to in the first post opening the sale ) then 3 days later GB has people selling it. Obviously the people who "said" they wanted it for their "collection" wanted to flip it, not shoot it, and yes KARMA is a bitch. I will be shooting mine and saving 1 box for the zombie apocalypse cause my EA S4s and S5 PFPs I'm sure will be just as tough. Peace to all, and to those I offended, go look on AuctionArms.com and see how much 1 bullet is selling for. ( hint - $29.95 ) - even I cannot hate if someone is making that kind of cash off of the sale of ONE round. I personally just don't think the initial intention was for these rounds to be sold, as per Bones' opener on the classifieds page, but I guess if there are people who can't get a clue where WE, the lucky ones scored these great rounds at a very good price ( other than LEO prices ) well, take em for the money I guess, ( if you really need the money ). One last thought, who knows if the guy who has the most on GB for sale " FN57CRAZY " isn't LEO and got them at a better price than us, and just turned around to flip them instead of shoot them, now that would be really wrong and against the initial intent, in my own humble opinion. Peace to all, & God Bless

+1000 to Bones for letting us have this great opportunity to purchase SS190s at a VERY good price
+100 to blueorison for starting a new thread regarding the sentiment ( mine initially )
+1 to all those who agreed with me
:monkey: :monkey: :monkey: :monkey: :monkey:

flyingirish04 · Post by **flyingirish04** » 14 Apr 2011, 11:22

jckilla wrote:All I was saying is that MOST of the people who said they were buying the SS190s said they were doing it for shooting or collecting ( as did Bones hint to in the first post opening the sale ) then 3 days later GB has people selling it. Obviously the people who "said" they wanted it for their "collection" wanted to flip it, not shoot it, and yes KARMA is a bitch. I will be shooting mine and saving 1 box for the zombie apocalypse cause my EA S4s and S5 PFPs I'm sure will be just as tough. Peace to all, and to those I offended, go look on AuctionArms.com and see how much 1 bullet is selling for. ( hint - $29.95 ) - even I cannot hate if someone is making that kind of cash off of the sale of ONE round. I personally just don't think the initial intention was for these rounds to be sold, as per Bones' opener on the classifieds page, but I guess if there are people who can't get a clue where WE, the lucky ones scored these great rounds at a very good price ( other than LEO prices ) well, take em for the money I guess, ( if you really need the money ). One last thought, who knows if the guy who has the most on GB for sale " FN57CRAZY " isn't LEO and got them at a better price than us, and just turned around to flip them instead of shoot them, now that would be really wrong and against the initial intent, in my own humble opinion. Peace to all, & God Bless

+1000 to Bones for letting us have this great opportunity to purchase SS190s at a VERY good price
+100 to blueorison for starting a new thread regarding the sentiment ( mine initially )
+1 to all those who agreed with me
:monkey: :monkey: :monkey: :monkey: :monkey:

Sorry, but you are way off base. There is no difference in what bones is doing and the resellers. Any attack on the credibility or 'karma' of one, has to be replicated on the other. Even if bones intended them for collectors, I really don't care. He marked em up too, quite a bit. Not as much as they did, but then again they couldn't buy for the price he did. Either way, I no issue with either. To have issue with one and not the other is not logical nor is it prudent. To have issue with any of it is displaying a latent distaste of the free market, consciously or unconsiously.

We will have to agree to disagree on this.

Post by **f3rr37** » 14 Apr 2011, 12:02

I think this topic has run its course.

Thread closed.

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