iFire's FiveseveN Load Data

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iFire's FiveseveN Load Data

Post by iFire » 08 Jan 2011, 16:06

Notes:

SS195 1x brass | CCI 400 SR Primers | CE Pro Chrony @ 10 feet |

OAL's:
| 27gr SS195 1.575" | 34gr Dogtown 1.500" | 35gr NTX 1.575" | 35gr NLFBT 1.575" |
| 40gr Vmax 1.575" | 45gr BBS 1.565" | 50gr CTBST 1.575" | 55gr FMJ 1.575"

Denotes a Preferred Load

This thread will contain loads that I have found to work well in my Fiveseven Pistol. Your gun may differ.


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SS197 Factory Round

40 Gr Vmax
SS197
Factory Round

FPS - 1670


Sample Size 1
Stand. Dev. #DIV/0!
Ft Lbs Energy 248

Notes: Standard Function

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SS195 Factory Round

27 Gr SS195
SS195
Factory Round

FPS - 1965


Sample Size 1
Stand. Dev. #DIV/0!
Ft Lbs Energy 232

Notes: Standard Function

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27 Grain SS195 Pulled Bullet + True Blue

27 Gr SS195
TB
7.1 *Max*

FPS - 2450


Sample Size 1
Stand. Dev. #DIV/0!
Ft Lbs Energy 360

Notes: Standard Function

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27 Gr SS195
TB
7.2 *Caution*

FPS - 2433


Sample Size 1
Stand. Dev. #DIV/0!
Ft Lbs Energy 355

Notes: Velocity regression - I shot a 7.3 load also and it jammed - use 7.1 as max

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27 Grain SS195 Pulled Bullet + AutoComp

27 Gr SS195
AutoComp
6.2 Grs

FPS - 2383


Sample Size 2
Stand. Dev. 9
Ft Lbs Energy 340

Notes: Standard Function

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27 Gr SS195
AutoComp
6.3 *Max*

FPS - 2442


Sample Size 3
Stand. Dev. 24
Ft Lbs Energy 358

Notes: This is probably the max - 6.4 showed no real gain in velocity

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27 Gr SS195
AutoComp
6.4 *Caution*

FPS - 2454


Sample Size 1
Stand. Dev. #DIV/0!
Ft Lbs Energy 361

Notes: *no real gain in velocity from 6.3 - which means its at or above the max…

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27 Gr SS195
AutoComp
6.5 *Danger*

FPS - 2460


Sample Size 1
Stand. Dev. #DIV/0!
Ft Lbs Energy 363

Notes: *Severe Leakage around primer - case head had several marks - beyond max

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34 Grain Varmint Nightmare Extreme + True Blue

34 Gr VNE
True Blue
6.2 Grs


FPS - 1904


Sample Size 5
Stand. Dev. 7
Ft Lbs Energy 274

Notes: Standard Function - nice load…

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35 Grain Nosler Lead Free Ballistic Tip + True Blue

35 Gr NLFBT
True Blue
6.5 Grs

FPS - 2050


Sample Size 1
Stand. Dev. #DIV/0!
Ft Lbs Energy 327

Notes: Standard Function

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35 Gr NLFBT
True Blue
6.6 Grs

FPS - 2063


Sample Size 1
Stand. Dev. #DIV/0!
Ft Lbs Energy 331

Notes: Standard Function

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35 Gr NLFBT
True Blue
6.7 Grs

FPS - 2133


Sample Size 1
Stand. Dev. #DIV/0!
Ft Lbs Energy 354

Notes: Standard Function

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35 Gr NLFBT
True Blue
6.8 Grs

FPS - 2154


Sample Size 1
Stand. Dev. #DIV/0!
Ft Lbs Energy 361

Notes: Standard Function

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35 Gr NLFBT
True Blue
6.9 Grs

FPS - 2203


Sample Size 1
Stand. Dev. #DIV/0!
Ft Lbs Energy 377

Notes: End of my ladder - primers looked ok still - no problems… I will have to test higher…

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35 Grain Nosler Lead Free Ballistic Tip + Longshot

35 Gr NLFBT
Longshot
6.1 Grs

FPS - 2048


Sample Size 1
Stand. Dev. #DIV/0!
Ft Lbs Energy 326

Notes: Standard Function

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35 Gr NLFBT
Longshot
6.2 Grs

FPS - 2057


Sample Size 3
Stand. Dev. 34
Ft Lbs Energy 329

Notes: Standard Function

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35 Gr NLFBT
Longshot
6.3 *Max*

FPS - 2118


Sample Size 3
Stand. Dev. 7
Ft Lbs Energy 349

Notes: right at 50k psi per Panzermk2's help - max charge

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35 Grain Hornady NTX + Longshot

35 Gr NTX
Longshot
5.7 Grs

FPS - 1952


Sample Size 2
Stand. Dev. 28
Ft Lbs Energy 296

Notes: Standard Function

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35 Gr NTX
Longshot
5.8 Grs

FPS - 2029


Sample Size 1
Stand. Dev. #DIV/0!
Ft Lbs Energy 320

Notes: Standard Function

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35 Gr NTX
Longshot
5.9 Grs *Max*

FPS - 2054


Sample Size 1
Stand. Dev. #DIV/0!
Ft Lbs Energy 328

Notes: Standard Function

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35 Gr NTX
Longshot
6.0 Grs *Caution*

FPS - 2051


Sample Size 1
Stand. Dev. #DIV/0!
Ft Lbs Energy 327

Notes: Velocity regression - probably beyond max - stay below this charge…

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35 Grain Hornady NTX + Hodgdon HS6

35 Gr NTX
HS6
6.2 Grs

FPS - 1875


Sample Size 2
Stand. Dev. 23
Ft Lbs Energy 273

Notes: Standard Function

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35 Gr NTX
HS6
6.4 Grs

FPS - 1945


Sample Size 2
Stand. Dev. 22
Ft Lbs Energy 294

Notes: Standard Function

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35 Gr NTX
HS6
6.6 Grs

FPS - 2035


Sample Size 1
Stand. Dev. #DIV/0!
Ft Lbs Energy 322

Notes: Standard Function

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35 Gr NTX
HS6
6.8 Grs

FPS - 2109


Sample Size 1
Stand. Dev. #DIV/0!
Ft Lbs Energy 346

Notes: Standard Function

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35 Gr NTX
HS6
7.0 Grs

FPS - 2136


Sample Size 1
Stand. Dev. #DIV/0!
Ft Lbs Energy 355

Notes: Standard Function

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35 Gr NTX
HS6
7.1 Grs *Max*

FPS - 2175


Sample Size 1
Stand. Dev. #DIV/0!
Ft Lbs Energy 368

Notes: Standard Function

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35 Gr NTX
HS6
7.2 Grs *Caution*

FPS - 2150


Sample Size 1
Stand. Dev. #DIV/0!
Ft Lbs Energy 359

Notes: Velocity regression - likely beyond max - stay below this charge

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35 Grain Hornady NTX + Winchester AutoComp

35 Gr NTX
AutoComp
5.8 Grs

FPS - 2038


Sample Size 1
Stand. Dev. #DIV/0!
Ft Lbs Energy 323

Notes: Standard Function

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35 Gr NTX
AutoComp
5.9 Grs *Max*

FPS - 2113


Sample Size 1
Stand. Dev. #DIV/0!
Ft Lbs Energy 347

Notes: Standard Function

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35 Gr NTX
AutoComp
6.0 Grs *Caution*

FPS - 2091


Sample Size 1
Stand. Dev. #DIV/0!
Ft Lbs Energy 340

Notes: Velocity was less than the 5.9 load - likely beyond max here as well - stick with 5.9 or below…

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35 Gr NTX
AutoComp
6.1 Grs *Caution*

FPS - 2099


Sample Size 1
Stand. Dev. #DIV/0!
Ft Lbs Energy 342

Notes: Lost the primer - beyond max

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40 Grain Hornady Vmax + Hodgdon Longshot

40 Gr Vmax
Longshot
5.5 Grs

FPS - 1878


Sample Size 4
Stand. Dev. 13
Ft Lbs Energy 313

Notes: Standard Function

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40 Grain Hornady Vmax + Hodgdon HS6

40 Gr Vmax
HS6
6.0 Grs

FPS - 1791


Sample Size 5
Stand. Dev. 38
Ft Lbs Energy 285

Notes: Standard Function

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40 Grain Hornady Vmax + AA#9

40 Gr Vmax
AA#9
8.0 Grs

FPS - 1915


Sample Size 2
Stand. Dev. 31
Ft Lbs Energy 326

Notes: Standard Function - Max with the PS90 was around 8.2grs so there is likely a little room to move up

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40 Grain Hornady Vmax + Ramshot True Blue

40 Gr Vmax
True Blue
5.7 Grs

FPS - 1781


Sample Size 9
Stand. Dev. 9
Ft Lbs Energy 282

Notes: Standard Function

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40 Gr Vmax
True Blue
6.0 Grs

FPS - 1844


Sample Size 2
Stand. Dev. 14
Ft Lbs Energy 302

Notes: Standard Function

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40 Gr Vmax
True Blue
6.2 Grs

FPS - 1910


Sample Size 2
Stand. Dev. 11
Ft Lbs Energy 324

Notes: Standard Function

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40 Gr Vmax
True Blue
6.3 Grs

FPS - 1923


Sample Size 4
Stand. Dev. 2
Ft Lbs Energy 329

Notes: Standard Function

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40 Gr Vmax
True Blue
6.4 Grs

FPS - 1943


Sample Size 2
Stand. Dev. 4
Ft Lbs Energy 335

Notes: Standard Function

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40 Gr Vmax
True Blue
6.5 Grs

FPS - 1970


Sample Size 6
Stand. Dev. 10
Ft Lbs Energy 345

Notes: Standard Function

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40 Gr Vmax
True Blue
6.6 Grs

FPS - 1989


Sample Size 2
Stand. Dev. 11
Ft Lbs Energy 351

Notes: Standard Function

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40 Gr Vmax
True Blue
6.7 Grs

FPS - 2006


Sample Size 5
Stand. Dev. 12
Ft Lbs Energy 357

Notes: Standard Function

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40 Gr Vmax
True Blue
6.8 *Max/Caution*

FPS - 2028


Sample Size 5
Stand. Dev. 14
Ft Lbs Energy 365

Notes: Lost a primer with my FsN with a red dot - with the stock iron sights I made it up to 6.9 grs. - Use Caution as this is at or beyond the max

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40 Gr Vmax
True Blue
6.9 *Caution*

FPS - 2058


Sample Size 5
Stand. Dev. 11
Ft Lbs Energy 376

Notes: I was able to shoot a 6.9 grain load with a stock FsN @ 25 deg F - This is really a hot load so exert extreme caution if even approaching this level

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40 Grain Hornady Vmax + Accurate #7 (Old Formula - OF)

40 Gr Vmax
AA#7 (OF)
7.2 Grs

FPS - 1857


Sample Size 6
Stand. Dev. 13
Ft Lbs Energy 306

Notes: Standard Function

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40 Gr Vmax
AA#7 (OF)
7.5 Grs

FPS - 1980


Sample Size 1
Stand. Dev. #DIV/0!
Ft Lbs Energy 348

Notes: Standard Function

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40 Grain Hornady Vmax + Winchester AutoComp

40 Gr Vmax
AutoComp
5.2 Grs

FPS - 1824


Sample Size 3
Stand. Dev. 8
Ft Lbs Energy 296

Notes: Might be too low of a charge for this powder to reliably eject…

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40 Gr Vmax
AutoComp
5.5 Grs

FPS - 1849


Sample Size 1
Stand. Dev. #DIV/0!
Ft Lbs Energy 304

Notes: Might be too low of a charge for this powder to reliably eject…

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40 Gr Vmax
AutoComp
5.6 Grs

FPS - 1899


Sample Size 1
Stand. Dev. #DIV/0!
Ft Lbs Energy 320

Notes: Standard Function

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40 Gr Vmax
AutoComp
5.7 Grs

FPS - 1916


Sample Size 2
Stand. Dev. 1
Ft Lbs Energy 326

Notes: Standard Function

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40 Gr Vmax
AutoComp
5.8 Grs

FPS - 1929


Sample Size 2
Stand. Dev. 11
Ft Lbs Energy 331

Notes: Standard Function

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40 Gr Vmax
AutoComp
5.9 Grs

FPS - 1949


Sample Size 4
Stand. Dev. 20
Ft Lbs Energy 337

Notes: Standard Function

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40 Gr Vmax
AutoComp
6.0 *Max*

FPS - 1978


Sample Size 4
Stand. Dev. 16
Ft Lbs Energy 348

Notes: Max Charge - primers looked ok on all shots

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40 Gr Vmax
AutoComp
6.1 *Danger*

FPS - 1933


Sample Size 2
Stand. Dev. 6
Ft Lbs Energy 332

Notes: Lost a primer on one shot, the other had severe leakage around primer - Velocity regression as well - Do not load at or above this charge

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50 Grain Combined Technology Ballistic Silver Tip + True Blue

50 Gr CTBST
True Blue
5.7 Grs

FPS - 1682


Sample Size 1
Stand. Dev. #DIV/0!
Ft Lbs Energy 314

Notes: Standard Function

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50 Gr CTBST
True Blue
5.8 Grs

FPS - 1698


Sample Size 1
Stand. Dev. #DIV/0!
Ft Lbs Energy 320

Notes: Standard Function

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50 Gr CTBST
True Blue
6.0 Grs

FPS - 1738


Sample Size 1
Stand. Dev. #DIV/0!
Ft Lbs Energy 335

Notes: Standard Function

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50 Gr CTBST
True Blue
6.1 Grs *Max*

FPS - 1745


Sample Size 1
Stand. Dev. #DIV/0!
Ft Lbs Energy 338

Notes: Standard Function

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50 Gr CTBST
True Blue
6.2 Grs *Caution*

FPS - 1718


Sample Size 1
Stand. Dev. #DIV/0!
Ft Lbs Energy 328

Notes: Velocity regression - likely beyond max - caution

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50 Grain Combined Technology Ballistic Silver Tip + AA#9

50 Gr CTBST
AA#9
7.0 Grs

FPS - 1624


Sample Size 1
Stand. Dev. #DIV/0!
Ft Lbs Energy 293

Notes: Standard Function

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50 Gr CTBST
AA#9
7.1 Grs

FPS - 1652


Sample Size 1
Stand. Dev. #DIV/0!
Ft Lbs Energy 303

Notes: Use Caution - End of my string…

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55 Grain Hornady FMJ w/Cann + True Blue

55 Gr HFMJ
True Blue
4.5 Grs

FPS - 1338


Sample Size 2
Stand. Dev. 9
Ft Lbs Energy 219

Notes: Standard Function

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55 Gr HFMJ
True Blue
5.0 Grs

FPS - 1478


Sample Size 2
Stand. Dev. 4
Ft Lbs Energy 267

Notes: Standard Function

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55 Gr HFMJ
True Blue
5.2 Grs

FPS - 1521


Sample Size 2
Stand. Dev. 3
Ft Lbs Energy 283

Notes: Standard Function - Will have to continue up the ladder w/ more tests

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Re: FF's FiveseveN Load Data

Post by panzermk2 » 09 Jan 2011, 13:09

35 Gr NLFBT
Longshot
6.3

Average 2118
Sample Size 3
Max Velocity 2126
Min Velocity 2113
Extreme Spread 13
Standard Deviation 7
Ft Lbs Energy 349

Notes: functioned - I believe there is still room to move up… not sure how much


None your just over 50,000psi with this load.
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Re: FF's FiveseveN Load Data

Post by iFire » 09 Jan 2011, 14:32

Thanks for the info - i wont have to test that combo again :D

I am sure that some of my loads go over 50k psi - I can only make sure that i watch for pressure signs / primer problems / cracked necks / dents / proper function / etc. to tell me where the max is...

also, a bit more data added...

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Re: FF's FiveseveN Load Data

Post by KiloTrooper » 24 Jan 2011, 11:57

Very nice. Great Work.

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Re: FF's FiveseveN Load Data

Post by yuri73 » 02 Feb 2011, 16:16

:thumb: , good work forest fire, im just wondering if you would do the same test with a ss107 pulled heads, using a virgin brass with a crimped primer would rule out the possibilities of blown out primer, and make the test more consistent with the brass issue... thanks

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Re: FF's FiveseveN Load Data

Post by panzermk2 » 02 Feb 2011, 16:46

yuri73 wrote::thumb: , good work forest fire, im just wondering if you would do the same test with a ss107 pulled heads, using a virgin brass with a crimped primer would rule out the possibilities of blown out primer, and make the test more consistent with the brass issue... thanks
Also covered under blown out primers is pierced primers and no amount of crimp will help.

Instead of the primer popping out on the 1x you will get neat little holes in the primers.
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Re: FF's FiveseveN Load Data

Post by iFire » 02 Feb 2011, 17:23

panzermk2 wrote:
yuri73 wrote::thumb: , good work forest fire, im just wondering if you would do the same test with a ss107 pulled heads, using a virgin brass with a crimped primer would rule out the possibilities of blown out primer, and make the test more consistent with the brass issue... thanks
Also covered under blown out primers is pierced primers and no amount of crimp will help.

Instead of the primer popping out on the 1x you will get neat little holes in the primers.
If the primer is seated real tightly in a pocket that is in good condition, and you blow out the primer, thats a GOOD THING!

Let me explain:

When working up loads, there are many over-pressure signs that you can watch for. Blowing out the primer is one of those signs. So, if you blow out the primer from a primer pocket in good condtion in which the primer was seated tightly, you know your beyond the max... So there is no point in pushing it any further... Blowing out primers is one thing, blowing up your gun, hand, face, etc... well, lets just say that is NOT a good thing.

Plus, as Panzermk2 stated, even if you weld the primer in, you can pierce the primer, which is worse, especially if metal fragments from the primer cup get blown out into the firing pin hole, blocking the firing pin from coming forward - Then your gun is completely useless until you get it home, tear it apart, and get the small piece of metal that is wedged down in that firing pin hole out (with unbelievable tenacity - thats experience talking..)

When working up loads, I build a ladder until i reach the very first significant over-pressure sign.

Then, I would personally use the information I have learned as follows:

Example Only:

6.0grs - Danger - First Sign of overpressure
5.9grs - MAX - you could load here, but for sake of reliability in a crucial situation, move down .1grs
5.8grs - Use if you are precision loading one at a time, each charge weighed out individually
5.6grs - Use in progressives if your equipment is top notch ONLY if the powder your using will consistently throw +/- .1grs - that way if for some unknown reason it does throw .2grs high, you are still at the 5.8 gr charge which is best for reliability
5.5grs - Use in progressives if your equipment is top notch ONLY if the powder your using will consistently throw +/- .2grs - that way if for some unknown reason it does throw .3grs high, you are still at the 5.8 gr charge which is best for reliability

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Re: FF's FiveseveN Load Data

Post by panzermk2 » 02 Feb 2011, 23:24

One point, if you dry fire your gun you will pop out the small piece of primer from your firing pin channel.

As part of you cleaning of the FsN you should dry fire it. Even without a bad primer the lacquer wild biuld up in the channel over time. A dry fire clears it out right away.
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Re: FF's FiveseveN Load Data

Post by iFire » 03 Feb 2011, 07:18

panzermk2 wrote:One point, if you dry fire your gun you will pop out the small piece of primer from your firing pin channel.
Haha - that is true, unless you REALLY get the piece of metal stuck in the firing pin hole, then dry firing 50 times doesnt even work :laugh:

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Re: iFire's FiveseveN Load Data

Post by richkeller » 07 Mar 2011, 21:25

Greetings all, a forum noob here.

I just picked up my pistol 8 days ago and haven't had a chance to go out and play with it yet. I've been cruising the forums for awhile looking for everything I can find regarding the FiveseveN. As with any other firearm, I can see that you either love it, or hate it (those being the minority).

A little history; I picked up a bunch (about 400) of once fired casings at a camp that a friend of a friend uses to bring his buddies to for a Class 3 fun day. I originally intended to recycle them, but then I found a boatload of good reports on the 5.7x28, in particularly the FiveseveN. So, I saved my nickels and dimes and finally got one.

Now I have all this brass, and dies, and reloading gear (been reloading for around 20 years; .45ACP, 9mm, 9mm Mak, .38, .357MAG, .30-06, .243, 6mm-284, and .223 (5.56x45)) and I'm interested in reloading for the FsN. I can tell it's very picky, but if done with resonable care, can be done quite successfully from what I see.

I currently use Bullseye for the handgun calibers, so I have about 10 pounds of it. I've seen many posts here and on other forums about using BE for the FsN, and have a good handle on the charges to use. It looks like the 40gr VMax is the preferred bullet to use, though I've seen others.

Most of the reloading posts are somewhat old, a year or so, has everyone given up on this?

I've compiled recipes designed for the FsN, PS90, and AR57 as I could find them, and have been reviewing them almost daily. The one thing I've not found in any of the recipes is whether or not to crimp the case mouth. Anyone have any input into this? I'm thinking a very slight taper crimp (basically just enough to hold the ball in place) is in order.

I've also gotten into bullet swaging to feed 3 AR15s that I have. I've made several hundred decent .224 jacketed bullets from spent .22LR cases over the winter, but the weather is not cooperating enough yet to go out and try them. I've made pretty much everything from a 27gr FMJ spitzer up to around a 65gr rebated boat tail open tip (not quite a true hollow point) using picked up .22LR cases and cores cast from wheel weight (almost free!). I'd like to make something in the 35-40gr range RBT for the FsN. I'm hoping anyone with more experience with reloading this round will offer up some words of wisdom.

In any event, if there's continued interest in this topic, I'll share my "research" to contribute to the community.

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Re: iFire's FiveseveN Load Data

Post by blueorison » 07 Mar 2011, 23:57

Welcome to the forum, Rich!

Many of us do reload; this is a newer thread from ForestFire; our resident reloader guide, Grant, is on hiatus. If you're worried about anything, you could always bug one of the older guys.

We look forward to your contributions.
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Post by iFire » 08 Mar 2011, 05:51

richkeller wrote: In any event, if there's continued interest in this topic, I'll share my "research" to contribute to the community.
Welcome :thumb: I definitely think that there is continued interest from everyone here on the forum as to new ideas or information.

I havent given up and I dont think others have either...One reason that you may have see fewer new posts is that eventually people find their "go to" load(s) and don't have the time or resources to keep researching. However, I dont think this means there is a lack of interest on anyones part - most all reloaders are always open for potential new ideas, loads, processes, etc..

Be careful with Bullseye - I have used it, but it is very sensitive... Other (better) choices are available - Especially when looking for a full power load...

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Re: iFire's FiveseveN Load Data

Post by richkeller » 08 Mar 2011, 19:00

Thanks for the welcomes.

I agree that most people will find their go-to load, I can't bring myself away from 5.0gr of BE in my .45ACP. It just works, and works well.

I'll also agree that BE can be sensitive, especially when working really close to max. I don't plan to push the envelope. I'm looking more for a nice sweet spot that makes the FsN more affordable to take out for a couple hundred rounds, more of a paper puncher and can crusher.

Incidentally, has anyone tried gas checked lead (cast or swaged) bullets? So many avenues that I haven't seen mentioned yet, I can barely wait to get started. :D

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Re: iFire's FiveseveN Load Data

Post by locutus » 20 Mar 2011, 15:12

richkeller wrote:Thanks for the welcomes.

Incidentally, has anyone tried gas checked lead (cast or swaged) bullets? So many avenues that I haven't seen mentioned yet, I can barely wait to get started. :D
Back in the late seventies, I cast 50 grain GC bullets of straight linotype for a .222 Remington Thompson-Center contender. It worked, and it worked quite well actually, giving me 5 shot groups around 1 to 1 and 1/4 inches at 50 yards from a 10 inch barrel. Around 1650 FPS, IIRC.

But casting .22 cal. bullets was a challenge, and I soon abandoned the project. But if you're young and ambitious, and want a real challenge, go for it. It CAN be done and it does work. (at least in a contener.)

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Re: iFire's FiveseveN Load Data

Post by Cliff10A » 25 Mar 2011, 14:30

iFire,
I am very new to this forum but I have had my 5.7 pistol for about 4 years and have only used factory ammo up to this point. I have been reloading .45 ACP, .357 Magnum, 9mm and .223 Remington for some time now but I just picked up my Redding 5.7x28 die set this afternoon and am excite to get started reloading some cartridges. I have a Lyman manual which has a few loads in it and I have also seen data for 5 loads on Ram Shot's wbsite. The Lyman powder charges are extremely conservative while Ram Shot is moderate compared to the information in this forum. The bullet I am most interested in is the Barnes 45gr. banded solid. I haven't seen data for this bullet anywhere other than this forum. When you were working up loads for the Barnes 45gr. bullet what minimum powder charge did you start with for True Blue? Ram Shot's data for a 45 gr. Sierra Spitzer has a range of 4.8 to 5.4 grains of True Blue powder while for a 45 gr. Sierra Soft Point Hornet the range is 5.4 to 6.1 grains of True Blue which are much lower than the 6.4 grains you have listed as your maximum. I am just a bit nervous about picking my first minimum powder charge since everyone I talk to at the reloading shops has warned me to stay conservative and not to exceed the published maximun powder charges. What do you recommend? Also, have you heard of anyone testing 5.7 cartridges loaded with a Barnes 45 gr. banded solid with balistic gel or even firing them into a tank of water to see if the bullets are properly expanding at 1800 fps?

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Re: iFire's FiveseveN Load Data

Post by R-71 » 25 Mar 2011, 19:02

I tried the 6.0 grain load with the 50GRN CBT bullet, worked great! 1740FPS. Does anyone know how this bullet performs at this velocity?

Thanks for the data!

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Re: iFire's FiveseveN Load Data

Post by iFire » 25 Mar 2011, 20:21

R-71 wrote:I tried the 6.0 grain load with the 50GRN CBT bullet, worked great! 1740FPS. Does anyone know how this bullet performs at this velocity?

Thanks for the data!
Your welcome - glad to hear that you nearly hit my same velocity on the head :thumb:

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Re: iFire's FiveseveN Load Data

Post by iFire » 25 Mar 2011, 20:29

Cliff10A wrote:iFire,
I am very new to this forum but I have had my 5.7 pistol for about 4 years and have only used factory ammo up to this point. I have been reloading .45 ACP, .357 Magnum, 9mm and .223 Remington for some time now but I just picked up my Redding 5.7x28 die set this afternoon and am excite to get started reloading some cartridges. I have a Lyman manual which has a few loads in it and I have also seen data for 5 loads on Ram Shot's wbsite. The Lyman powder charges are extremely conservative while Ram Shot is moderate compared to the information in this forum. The bullet I am most interested in is the Barnes 45gr. banded solid. I haven't seen data for this bullet anywhere other than this forum. When you were working up loads for the Barnes 45gr. bullet what minimum powder charge did you start with for True Blue? Ram Shot's data for a 45 gr. Sierra Spitzer has a range of 4.8 to 5.4 grains of True Blue powder while for a 45 gr. Sierra Soft Point Hornet the range is 5.4 to 6.1 grains of True Blue which are much lower than the 6.4 grains you have listed as your maximum. I am just a bit nervous about picking my first minimum powder charge since everyone I talk to at the reloading shops has warned me to stay conservative and not to exceed the published maximun powder charges. What do you recommend? Also, have you heard of anyone testing 5.7 cartridges loaded with a Barnes 45 gr. banded solid with balistic gel or even firing them into a tank of water to see if the bullets are properly expanding at 1800 fps?
1) As a general rule of thumb with the 5.7x28mm cartridge - if you see a MAX load, always start .5-.6 grains under the max and work you way up in .1gr increments. I would start at 5.8 grs True Blue and work your way towards 6.4 grs True Blue - 6.4 was the MAX that I was able to work to without problems and it was also the max for another respected reloader here on the forum - so I believe it is correct and should not be exceeded for any reason at any time without potential danger.

I personally use 6.3 grs of True Blue with the 45 gr BBS for carry or defense to ensure maximum reliability and a .1gr safety margin from the MAX.

2) The 45 gr BBS bullet WILL NOT expand at all - in fact in may not even bend or lose its shape - it is made to simply penetrate. I have recovered many of them that were shot through a target into a snow covered bank - when i found them in the summer they looked nearly new (minus the rifling marks)...

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Re: iFire's FiveseveN Load Data

Post by Cliff10A » 26 Mar 2011, 14:46

iFire,
Thank you for the powder charge information. I was confused when I mentioned the 45 gr. Barnes Banded Solid as the bullet I am wanting to use. When I saw your load data for a 45 gr. Barnes bullet I get too excited and didn't realize it wasn't the bullet I wanted to use. What I meant to ask about is Barnes 45gr. TSX FB. Would you use the same data for each of these bullets? Now that I am referring to the correct bullet my question about expansion might make more sense. Do you have any information regarding the expansion potential of a 45 gr. Barnes TSX bullet at 1800 fps?

Thank you for your time.

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Post by fatherfoof » 26 Mar 2011, 23:17

Knowing I'm from olden times, when did the silvertips leave Winchester? By the way, thanks for all the work you did on this.
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Re: iFire's FiveseveN Load Data

Post by CenCalSplicer » 06 Apr 2011, 16:45

I think that Ifire's data should be added to the forum wiki if it hasn't already. I found this especially informative:
If the primer is seated real tightly in a pocket that is in good condition, and you blow out the primer, thats a GOOD THING!

Let me explain:

When working up loads, there are many over-pressure signs that you can watch for. Blowing out the primer is one of those signs. So, if you blow out the primer from a primer pocket in good condtion in which the primer was seated tightly, you know your beyond the max... So there is no point in pushing it any further... Blowing out primers is one thing, blowing up your gun, hand, face, etc... well, lets just say that is NOT a good thing.

Plus, as Panzermk2 stated, even if you weld the primer in, you can pierce the primer, which is worse, especially if metal fragments from the primer cup get blown out into the firing pin hole, blocking the firing pin from coming forward - Then your gun is completely useless until you get it home, tear it apart, and get the small piece of metal that is wedged down in that firing pin hole out (with unbelievable tenacity - thats experience talking..)

When working up loads, I build a ladder until i reach the very first significant over-pressure sign.

Then, I would personally use the information I have learned as follows:

Example Only:

6.0grs - Danger - First Sign of overpressure
5.9grs - MAX - you could load here, but for sake of reliability in a crucial situation, move down .1grs
5.8grs - Use if you are precision loading one at a time, each charge weighed out individually
5.6grs - Use in progressives if your equipment is top notch ONLY if the powder your using will consistently throw +/- .1grs - that way if for some unknown reason it does throw .2grs high, you are still at the 5.8 gr charge which is best for reliability
5.5grs - Use in progressives if your equipment is top notch ONLY if the powder your using will consistently throw +/- .2grs - that way if for some unknown reason it does throw .3grs high, you are still at the 5.8 gr charge which is best for reliability
I just ordered a chrono today and have some brass ready to load with true blue and A7. As soon as the chrono is in I will be headed to the range and I will post my range data and see how it compares. I will only be loading the Hornady 40 grn v-max for now.

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Re: iFire's FiveseveN Load Data

Post by Cliff10A » 15 Apr 2011, 14:15

I just tested the first 5.7x28 cartridges I have reloaded using Hornady 40 gr. V-max and Barnes 45 gr. TSX. I found the max load for true blue to be 6.8 gr. and 6.4 gr. respectively. With the 40 gr. V-max I started my ladder all the way down at 5.0 gr. this being the first 5.7x28 ammo I have reloaded. As I increased the powder charge by 0.1 gr. the group tightened up very nicely from 5.9 to 6.5 gr. and then openen up slightly for the last three shots which were from 6.6 to 6.8 gr. I used Remington 7 1/2 small rifle bench rest primers mainly because that is what I use for my AR-15 and i already have a lot of them but I had 2 rounds that didn't fire out of the 32 I tested. Are these primers too thick walled and/or too tough to work well in a FiveseveN? What primer do you reccomend?

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Re: iFire's FiveseveN Load Data

Post by iFire » 15 Apr 2011, 18:18

Cliff10A wrote:I just tested the first 5.7x28 cartridges I have reloaded using Hornady 40 gr. V-max and Barnes 45 gr. TSX. I found the max load for true blue to be 6.8 gr. and 6.4 gr. respectively. With the 40 gr. V-max I started my ladder all the way down at 5.0 gr. this being the first 5.7x28 ammo I have reloaded. As I increased the powder charge by 0.1 gr. the group tightened up very nicely from 5.9 to 6.5 gr. and then openen up slightly for the last three shots which were from 6.6 to 6.8 gr. I used Remington 7 1/2 small rifle bench rest primers mainly because that is what I use for my AR-15 and i already have a lot of them but I had 2 rounds that didn't fire out of the 32 I tested. Are these primers too thick walled and/or too tough to work well in a FiveseveN? What primer do you reccomend?
Cliff10A - Good to see that your max loads matched mine... Do you have a chronograph? If so it would be great if you could chrono your loads, and then post your findings.

As I told CenCal - if you shoot a correspoding load to one of mine and get me the data - i will post your findings in the corresponding load of mine in the bottom footnotes and give you credit :thumb:

I use a CCI 400 Small Rifle primer. Never had a problem. As for your primers, I havent used them, but I dont think that the 7 1/2 sr bench primers should be a problem - could it have been something else? Something caught in the firing pin channel perhaps that caused a weak strike? Just tossing out ideas...

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Re: iFire's FiveseveN Load Data

Post by richkeller » 23 Apr 2011, 19:33

Happy Easter to all!

I have the opportunity to go out to the range for a little recoil therapy today so I took along my FsN and some handloads that I'd been wanting to run across my chrony (Shooting Chrony F1 - FWIW).

I've been toying with the idea of gas checked lead boolits over Bullseye to keep my ammo lab stocked with as few components as possible (I know, good luck with that...).

Since I'm also a boolit swager, I made up a mess of 40g Rebated Boattail boolits from spent .22LR cases to try to get velocities above what is considered "okay" for lead in other handguns (1000-1500fps depending on the source). The big concern is lead fouling but that is somewhat alleviated with gas checks and lube. Okay, enough boolit/reloading theory.

All charges were weighed with a Lyman 1200 electronic powder scale (calibrated and zeroed). No (or VERY little) crimp was applied to the cases. CCI Small Rifle primers were used exclusively. Brass was once fired range pickups, though some were stripped and some retained the factory lacquer (I did not segregate either from the other in the interest of the argument that it really matters for the FsN - I don't think it does IMHO).

I set my Chrony at approximately 15 feet from the muzzle, fired from a bench, and wasn't really concerned about groups at this point of the game. I was looking for function, and was I ever surprised. Although ALL rounds hit a standard 8.5x11" sheet of paper, probably within a 6x8" area at 25 yards, MOST of the loads failed to cycle the action. I'll indicate which ones DID cycle the action with the data.

Temp: 71 deg F
Firearm: FiveseveN (approximately 200 rounds through it prior to this data)

SS197R (for reference)
1708
1695
1700
1698
1696
AVG: 1699 - on par with iFire's data.

40g Lead Gas Check
3.0g Bullseye
1376
1374
1343
1333
1260
1308
1405
1285
1306
1312
1304
1306
1285
1337
1344
AVG: 1325
FAILED to cycle. Did not eject fired case.

40g Lead Gas Check
3.1g Bullseye
1302
1367
1335
1356
1354
1343
1383
1333
1317
1313
1331
1329
1305
1339
1401
AVG: 1341
FAILED to cycle. Did not eject fired case.

40g Lead Gas Check
3.2g Bullseye
1364
1376
1418
1385
1390
1369
1357
1351
1375
1385
1375
1379
1366
1338
1391
AVG: 1375
FAILED to cycle. Did not eject fired case.

40g Lead Gas Check
3.3g Bullseye
1404
1474
1469
1452
1418
1375
1408
1400
1392
1411
1461
1446
1447
1476
1404
AVG: 1429
FAILED to cycle. Did not eject fired case.

40g Lead Gas Check
3.4g Bullseye
1437
1505
1459
1452
1490
1445
AVG: 1465
Two cycled action loading next round. Not reliable enough to call a "good" load.

I did NOT experience any lead fouling that was noticable, nor any overpressure signs. Cases were "decorated" with a nice black "collar" back to the shoulder with the 3.4g load, but that is a Bullseye "signature" with other calibers that I load (.45ACP and 9mm). Primers were not excessively flattened nor pierced. I think I may try running up to 3.5 and 3.6g of Bullseye with Gas Checked Lead boolits to see what I get.

40g Rebated Boattail Rimfire Jacket (RBT RJ)
3.6g Bullseye
1596
1630
1571
1598
1529
1551
1510
1589
1566
1546
1593
1559
1534
1557
1548
AVG: 1565
FAILED to cycle. Did not eject fired case.

40g RBT RJ
3.7g Bullseye
1517
1683
1564
1563
1528
1540
1542
1534
1587
1531
1555
1576
1557
1586
AVG: 1562
FAILED to cycle. Did not eject fired case. Avg velocity close to previous string, maybe on the verge of something reliable.

40g RBT RJ
3.9g Bullseye (I go the packs out of order and fired 3.9g before 3.8g, but was stunned by what I found).
1564
1612
1569
1604
1585
1610
1618
1721
1576
1518
1583
1612
1603
AVG: 1598
FAILED to cycle. Did not eject fired case. Fired case was fully extracted but not ejected. Spent round was trapped by the slide, with the axis parallel to the bore at the edge of the tapered cone of the chamber (ALMOST ejected, but caught at the last instant).

40g RBT RJ
3.8g Bullseye
1580
1479
1542
1555
1540
1538
1537
1537
1537
1526
1516
1529
1535
1545
1544
AVG: 1536
Every round cycled the action properly. Every round ejected and loaded the next round. Given the low round count of this particular pistol, is it maybe getting "broke in" at this point, or is there something else? The AVG velocity was just slightly lower thatn the 3.9g BE load, maybe this individual pistol just likes this particular combination.

40g RBT RJ
4.0g Bullseye
1620
1636
1674
1627
1618
1607
1617
AVG: 1628
Returned to sporadic cycling the same as the 3.9g BE load did.

40g Boattail (not rebated) RJ
4.5g Bullseye - some loads I'd made up prior and took along to test
1626
1616
1691
1693
1649
1633
1682
1658
1687
1646
AVG: 1658 - approaching SS197R specs
This load functioned properly with each shot. No signs of overpressure, flattened primers as in SS197R, black sooty "collar" from BE powder. Slightly less snap than SS197R, but felt good nonetheless. I think there is just a bit more room to move up to mimic SS197R and maybe to exceed the data there.

From what I've learned here I'm unsure as to the potential of loading a lead gas checked boolit for the FsN. Most likely I'm going to try to match the 1700-ish fps of the SS197R round with a swaged rimfire case jacketed bullet with 4.6 to 4.8g of Bullseye. I'll check back in later with those results.

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Re: iFire's FiveseveN Load Data

Post by MLRS_Redleg » 17 May 2011, 07:01

Hey IFire hope you get the data up soon. I have a set of dies on the way. I want to eventually work my way up to 55gr with some decent velocity. In the mean time I plan to start with 30gr Barnes VGs. Think that is a good starting point? I plan to be extremely conservative. I'll be on a single stage Lee, weigh every charge and weighing every loaded round. I won't start firing test batches until I have a chrono. I have been reloading since the mid 90s. Mostly .45 & .38sup for uspsa shooting. I've done some 9mm and been doing some limited .223 for about the last 2yrs. I did pull a bonehead move and KB a nice STI 1911 in 2005. Luckily it was in the backyard and not a match. No injury, just blew the mag and cracked the frame at the slide and hammer pin. So I have learned my lesson and will be slow and careful with 5.7.

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Re: iFire's FiveseveN Load Data

Post by iFire » 19 May 2011, 19:48

MLRS_Redleg wrote:Hey IFire hope you get the data up soon.
It should be updated very soon...
MLRS_Redleg wrote:I have a set of dies on the way. I want to eventually work my way up to 55gr with some decent velocity. In the mean time I plan to start with 30gr Barnes VGs. Think that is a good starting point? I plan to be extremely conservative. I'll be on a single stage Lee, weigh every charge and weighing every loaded round. I won't start firing test batches until I have a chrono. I have been reloading since the mid 90s. Mostly .45 & .38sup for uspsa shooting. I've done some 9mm and been doing some limited .223 for about the last 2yrs. I did pull a bonehead move and KB a nice STI 1911 in 2005. Luckily it was in the backyard and not a match. No injury, just blew the mag and cracked the frame at the slide and hammer pin. So I have learned my lesson and will be slow and careful with 5.7.
The 36 gr VG is probably a better choice than the 30 gr VG - It is a better shaped bullet for use in the FsN and PS90 since they are both autoloading and should be loaded to 1.570-1.585 OAL depending on preference. The 30gr VGs are too short to achieve the correct OAL and still have proper neck tension...

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Re: iFire's FiveseveN Load Data

Post by MLRS_Redleg » 25 May 2011, 17:29

iFire wrote:
The 36 gr VG is probably a better choice than the 30 gr VG - It is a better shaped bullet for use in the FsN and PS90 since they are both autoloading and should be loaded to 1.570-1.585 OAL depending on preference. The 30gr VGs are too short to achieve the correct OAL and still have proper neck tension...
Thanks iFire. I'll start out with the 36gr vg.

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Re: iFire's FiveseveN Load Data

Post by iFire » 26 May 2011, 18:47

MLRS_Redleg wrote:
iFire wrote:
The 36 gr VG is probably a better choice than the 30 gr VG - It is a better shaped bullet for use in the FsN and PS90 since they are both autoloading and should be loaded to 1.570-1.585 OAL depending on preference. The 30gr VGs are too short to achieve the correct OAL and still have proper neck tension...
Thanks iFire. I'll start out with the 36gr vg.
Sounds Good :thumb:

Also, I'm almost Finished with the new format for the FsN Data

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Re: iFire's FiveseveN Load Data

Post by eVenom » 03 Jun 2011, 19:36

I just bought the FsN and I am exited to see this DATA!

I really like the one for the PS90

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Re: iFire's FiveseveN Load Data

Post by iFire » 04 Jun 2011, 10:56

I finished the Re-Formatting! :D

But I still have a lot more data that needs to be added! One step at a time...

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Re: iFire's FiveseveN Load Data

Post by MLRS_Redleg » 16 Jun 2011, 07:02

Good stuff iFire! I hope you have some more accurate powder data coming.

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Re: iFire's FiveseveN Load Data

Post by VeTTeMaNC486 » 16 Jun 2011, 08:35

I'm looking forward to some new accurate #7 data.

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Re: iFire's FiveseveN Load Data

Post by Grantness » 16 Jun 2011, 08:46

I;ve posted a lot of Acc#7 covering most bullets (for the FsN) if you havn't checked those out... Pretty sure I have the NEW powder though...

The old and new powder discrepancies might explain why the original ramshot data is a bit faster than what I've seen with my own testing...

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Re: iFire's FiveseveN Load Data

Post by VeTTeMaNC486 » 16 Jun 2011, 09:29

Grantness wrote:I;ve posted a lot of Acc#7 covering most bullets (for the FsN) if you havn't checked those out... Pretty sure I have the NEW powder though...

The old and new powder discrepancies might explain why the original ramshot data is a bit faster than what I've seen with my own testing...
There was a post a good bit back about how to tell by looking at how the lot number or something is printed on the bottle to tell which you had.

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Re: iFire's FiveseveN Load Data

Post by MLRS_Redleg » 16 Jun 2011, 10:07

Sweet I'll have to look for that Grant. I have 3 lbs of acc7. That data is probably on the wiki right?

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Post by Grantness » 16 Jun 2011, 10:52

its in the wiki and I recently moved "Grant's loads" into the public 5.7x28 reloading forum.

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Post by MLRS_Redleg » 18 Jun 2011, 23:09

Grantness wrote:its in the wiki and I recently moved "Grant's loads" into the public 5.7x28 reloading forum.
Hey Grant. I looked through that post and the wiki. I only saw a couple of acc#7 data. Also noticed you don't like 55gr in the 5-7. You said they don't provide any real benefit. Is that because they are too heavy to stabilize? I've read good things about EA's penetrators. I know I can't safely reproduce a 55gr 1800fps, but can't we get close enough?

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Post by panzermk2 » 18 Jun 2011, 23:19

The Pens work nice, but once you get above 50gr your outside the window for optimum performance.
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Post by iFire » 19 Jun 2011, 06:10

Added a bit more data - Mostly 35gr stuff... and one AA#9 40gr load.

I will keep going through my load books and dredging up more info...

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Post by Grantness » 19 Jun 2011, 11:11

panzermk2 wrote:The Pens work nice, but once you get above 50gr your outside the window for optimum performance.
Yep, just aren't getting the kinetic energy I want above 50ish grains (out of the FsN).... The heaviest bullet I own is a 52gr Matchking and I havnt even used that one much. After seeing those Penetrator II gel tests , I think Im going to try and see how much I can get out of a 50-52gr bullet. Might take me a while to find the right bullet/powder combo though.

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Post by panzermk2 » 19 Jun 2011, 21:30

You mean ProtecTOR 2?
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Post by MLRS_Redleg » 20 Jun 2011, 04:17

I know to achieve higher velocities at lower pressures you need a longer energy pulse. Has anybody ever though of trying shotshell powders or something like that with slower burn rates? Win super field or something? Just a thought. I have too much fear/respect of this round to go outside tested data. Such experimenting could be done safely though. Remote fire in a lexan box ala mythbusters. Wish I had the time and money for something like that.

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Post by iFire » 20 Jun 2011, 06:12

MLRS_Redleg wrote:I know to achieve higher velocities at lower pressures you need a longer energy pulse. Has anybody ever though of trying shotshell powders or something like that with slower burn rates? Win super field or something? Just a thought. I have too much fear/respect of this round to go outside tested data. Such experimenting could be done safely though. Remote fire in a lexan box ala mythbusters. Wish I had the time and money for something like that.
I actually have done quite a bit of testing with Winchester Super Field - aka WSF... I have posted data for it in my PS90 and subsonic threads... The reason I haven't posted any data for it yet in this thread is that it just doesnt work well.

Yes, Slower powders have been considered and tested quite a bit actually - just about anything that "might' work has been tried :laugh:

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Post by Rapier1772 » 20 Jun 2011, 08:14

A few things that won't work have also been tried.

I tried Clay's in subsonic but not with any real consistancy our even stability
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Post by iFire » 20 Jun 2011, 08:40

Rapier1772 wrote:A few things that won't work have also been tried.

I tried Clay's in subsonic but not with any real consistancy our even stability
I have tried several things that haven't worked as well. Most of them are not posted because they didnt work.

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Post by MLRS_Redleg » 21 Jun 2011, 03:13

I figured you guys had already thought of everything. Probably even my next thought. Dare I suggest it? Mixing powders? I'm certainly not brave enough.

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Post by iFire » 21 Jun 2011, 04:54

MLRS_Redleg wrote:I figured you guys had already thought of everything. Probably even my next thought. Dare I suggest it? Mixing powders? I'm certainly not brave enough.
:laugh: Yup, I guess even your next thought. :cool:

I have lots of data with 2 part mixes. You wouldnt believe just how fast you can get the 5.7 to go...

You also wouldn't believe how fast your gun will explode if you screw up. I doubt I will ever post the data I have. While the loads themselves may be perfectly safe, It is 2x or 3x more likely that someone will get a double charge or have something similar go horrbily wrong. I have an extensive background in Physics and Chemistry that allow me to 1) graph, chart, calculate, figure, and compare various known and unknown values to each other for proper starting loads and max loads and 2) Have the proper 'labratory style' methods of extreme caution - the old saying is measure twice, cut once... In this type of loading, Its figure and measure as many times as you need to ensure you still have a hand upon completion of your testing at the range :thumb:

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Post by VeTTeMaNC486 » 21 Jun 2011, 05:47

iFire wrote:
MLRS_Redleg wrote:I figured you guys had already thought of everything. Probably even my next thought. Dare I suggest it? Mixing powders? I'm certainly not brave enough.
:laugh: Yup, I guess even your next thought. :cool:

I have lots of data with 2 part mixes. You wouldnt believe just how fast you can get the 5.7 to go...

You also wouldn't believe how fast your gun will explode if you screw up. I doubt I will ever post the data I have. While the loads themselves may be perfectly safe, It is 2x or 3x more likely that someone will get a double charge or have something similar go horrbily wrong. I have an extensive background in Physics and Chemistry that allow me to 1) graph, chart, calculate, figure, and compare various known and unknown values to each other for proper starting loads and max loads and 2) Have the proper 'labratory style' methods of extreme caution - the old saying is measure twice, cut once... In this type of loading, Its figure and measure as many times as you need to ensure you still have a hand upon completion of your testing at the range :thumb:
You, sir, have a huge set of testicles to mix powder.

When you have used 2 powders, do you stack one on top of the other, or do you like mix them together? I have often wondered if people have ever done this... :laugh:

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Post by iFire » 21 Jun 2011, 06:31

I really dont want people trying 2 powder loads because they 'think' they have experience. Regular load data can be risky enough in this caliber, seriously... so I don't even want to give hints or clues on the open forum about the subject.

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Post by MLRS_Redleg » 21 Jun 2011, 06:56

I could only ever see myself doing remote fire testing behind a lexan shield with something like that. The only problem for me at that point is I would never feel comfortable loadining mixed powders for carry. So it would be kinda pointless. I guess I'm just gonna have to make do with with ss195s or 1200fps 55s or whatever I can safely achieve with tested loads.

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Post by VeTTeMaNC486 » 21 Jun 2011, 07:17

iFire wrote:I really dont want people trying 2 powder loads because they 'think' they have experience. Regular load data can be risky enough in this caliber, seriously... so I don't even want to give hints or clues on the open forum about the subject.
I am to affraid to experiment the unknown with one powder type, to heck with 2! Heck I dont even like known, safe max loads with this weapon (ps90), I'm kind of paranoid about my face being above my creation :laugh: .

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Post by panzermk2 » 21 Jun 2011, 07:50

Don't even think about mixing powders. If you knew just a little of what happens you would not even consider it.

BUT if you do PLEASE PLEASE have a video camera going when you pull the trigger. It will make for an epic youtube video.
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Post by iFire » 21 Jun 2011, 08:05

panzermk2 wrote:Don't even think about mixing powders. If you knew just a little of what happens you would not even consider it.

BUT if you do PLEASE PLEASE have a video camera going when you pull the trigger. It will make for an epic youtube video.
And an epic visit to the emergency room :p

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Post by MLRS_Redleg » 21 Jun 2011, 12:42

panzermk2 wrote:Don't even think about mixing powders. If you knew just a little of what happens you would not even consider it.

BUT if you do PLEASE PLEASE have a video camera going when you pull the trigger. It will make for an epic youtube video.
Which is why I caveated my starting this crazy talk with "I would never do this, but..." :)

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Post by iFire » 27 Jun 2011, 17:02

Added some 35gr NTX data - more to come in the upcoming future...

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Post by Erich » 02 Feb 2013, 07:49

I know this is an older thread but If anyone out there is still listening. Is the V-Max load data interchangeable with Z-Max bullets?

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Post by Rapier1772 » 02 Feb 2013, 10:29

Erich wrote:I know this is an older thread but If anyone out there is still listening. Is the V-Max load data interchangeable with Z-Max bullets?
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panzermk2 wrote:They are interchangeable. No discernible difference other then the color tip. That's why years ago the ProI came with both.
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Post by Rapier1772 » 07 Apr 2013, 10:20

I loaded up 40Gr V-Max w/5.7gr of AutoComp & tested it this weekend.
In the PS90 it did well (3 FTEs) with no signs of overpressure & pretty consistent in accuracy. St dev ~20fps
But in the FsN - blown & pierced primers w/ st dev ~50fps.

From what I saw, I'd say AutoComp is ok for the PS90 but not the FsN.

Also tried 35Gr Nosler BT(LF) w/5.5Gr AutoComp.
And same result, sucked for FsN but good for PS90 IMHO.
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Post by Grantness » 07 Apr 2013, 21:52

Autocomp has a burn rate similar to HS6 so I'd expect it to perform along those lines. Better off using it for .40 IMO

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Post by Rapier1772 » 07 Apr 2013, 22:17

Bought it for developing subsonics but it wasn't the best recipe. Looks like it will be one of those I'm gonna have to re-purpose.
Luckily it supposedly works in several other pistol calibers :thumb:

But now I have to find another load that works in both with the bullets I have :ponder:
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Post by cvande » 08 Apr 2013, 14:23

I've had excellent results with Longshot in both the FsN and the PS90.
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Post by Red Dog » 24 Apr 2013, 13:10

I've been following the posts for several months while slowly gathering the hardware and supplies to reload the FsN pistol. I have only two powders available at this point: Blue Dot and HS6. I've found comment and recipes for both herein and on the Wiki. Does anyone have a preference for one over the other until I can find some of the other powders (True Blue, AA7, Longshot) that seem to more popular here??

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Post by Rapier1772 » 24 Apr 2013, 13:29

Are you using an auto-dropper for the powder?
Yes - HS6
No - Blue Dot :laugh:

I think they are both good powders for the 5.7. Which can you readily get more often? I'd develop loads for whichever powder that is.
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Post by Red Dog » 25 Apr 2013, 03:10

I have a powder dropper, but I could charge the shells manually with scale and funnel or Lee measuring spoons.

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Post by grimmond » 25 Apr 2013, 12:42

Don't use Lee measuring spoons. Take the time and do it right, just scale every load. You do not want to run the risk of a KB.
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Post by Red Dog » 25 Apr 2013, 14:42

Roger that. I plan to take it nice and slow.

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Re: FF's FiveseveN Load Data

Post by JHeckert1974 » 22 Apr 2021, 11:07

panzermk2 wrote:
09 Jan 2011, 13:09
35 Gr NLFBT
Longshot
6.3

Average 2118
Sample Size 3
Max Velocity 2126
Min Velocity 2113
Extreme Spread 13
Standard Deviation 7
Ft Lbs Energy 349

Notes: functioned - I believe there is still room to move up… not sure how much


None your just over 50,000psi with this load.
Do you have any load data for VMAX 35 Gr with Blue Dot powder? Thanks.

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