Barnes Banded Solid....

[carbon_15]

Has anyone tried this bullet against kevlar?
I thought it was pretty funny that in the description its described as a Dengerous game bullet. Dont know many people who go into the bush after a wounded buffalo with a .223 :huh:


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[jmz5]

I do believe it has been used against kevlar and made a nice tiny hole in it.

[romer522]

The 45gr BBS is designed for hunters that don't want to cause pelt damage. Tiny hole in, tiny hole out.

[gw45acp]

The large bore calibers intended for African game are what is tied to the dangerous game claim. They just happen to offer the .224 45gr. for purposes as romer522 described.

[Llagoud]

Don't let the cuteness fool you......this is dangerous game!

[ehryk]

where, behind the rabbit?

[SSBiggun]

Don't let the cuteness fool you......this is dangerous game!

Better get out the HOLY Handgrenade

[panzermk2]

Sr. Chickenlittle found out the hard way!

[ChuckD]

One of the best movies of all time.

[Grantness]

jmz5 is spot on. You're not likely to find a better bullet for this pistol as far as penetration of hard targets is concerned. The bullet achieves more velocity its weight than any other 45gr bullet that I am aware of. It also has the potential to produce more energy (ft/lbs) than any other .224" bullet. All that being said, its probably not the best bullet for self-defense or hunting medium-sized game (killer bunnies aside). Basically its just going to poke a .224" hole through whatever it hits. Its designed to track straight and penetrate deep, so odds are it won't tumble.

There are a number of loads for the BBS posted in the reloading forums and members-only forums.

FYI this bullet may not be legal to fire out of a pistol in some states. Before using it, be sure to check you're local laws concerning armor-piercing ammo.

[jmz5]

I am with grant, it's not the ideal defense bullet. I prefer the 40 Vmax since it will turn steak into hamburger.

[carbon_15]

The large bore calibers intended for African game are what is tied to the dangerous game claim. They just happen to offer the .224 45gr. for purposes as romer522 described.

Yea I know. Just thought it was Ironic.

Has anyone found a bullet for reloading that mimics the penetration and tumbeling characteristics of the Military/LEO load?

[jmz5]

Yep, but you have to pull them out of SS195/SS192/SS198.

[Wollychop]

I have to say that I think the banded solid would be a great round depending on clothing. Especially winter coats, etc.

[blueorison]

Don't let the cuteness fool you......this is dangerous game!

Better get out the HOLY Handgrenade

OMG I LOVED WORMS 2

"dink...dink dink dink..."
"runaway!"
"HAAAAALLELUJAHHHH!"

*KABOOOOMMM*

[gw45acp]

Don't let the cuteness fool you......this is dangerous game!

Better get out the HOLY Handgrenade

OMG I LOVED WORMS 2

"dink...dink dink dink..."
"runaway!"
"HAAAAALLELUJAHHHH!"

*KABOOOOMMM*

BBS .224 45 gr. - When a sword just won't do.

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I don't know why, but my wife just doesn't get the humor in this. At least she likes Clint Eastwood movies.

[panzermk2]

I have to say that I think the banded solid would be a great round depending on clothing. Especially winter coats, etc.

It would zip through the gooey goodness in the center though.

[blueorison]

...so there's where the game's programmers got it from.

[natedog]

I tried the BSS w no success. Im not sure how others managed it if they have, the grooves around the base are designed perfectly (IMHO) so that it can not be loaded in a 5.7 properly. I believe they put the grooves where they did as someone earlier mentioned....so the 5.7 pistol can not shoot them. I could not figure out how to make them work. I load many other calibers w no problems and they load in 223 cases w no problem. Just not 5.7. They will not crimp /seat properly and when they do they are far too long. They probably designed them that way to avoid any possible ATF headaches when selling them.

[Grantness]

ummm...no. They did not put the bands on the banded solid to prevent use in the FsN :lmao: :lmao: Crimping isnt necessary, but you can try it if you've got a modified Lee FCD die. With the FCD you can crimp inside one of the bands or along the shank, but results don't improve that much to warrant it IMHO. Its not a good idea to try to crimp this bullet with your seating die....you're more than likely to loose neck tension.

Try seating the bullet so that the top band is just below the case mouth (~1.565"). I've never had any problems w/ the 45gr BBS, and I ive loaded it to all sorts of OAL's. ~1.565-1.570" will give you the best results out of the pistol. I've seated it all the way out past 1.6" for use in my 5.7x28 T/C Contender. There's not really much need to seat it so far out though (and of course anything longer than 1.59" won't fit in the magazines), unless you need to accommodate a large powder charge, or if for some reason it gives better accuracy at a particular length.

...and it should go w/o saying that you need to make sure its legal to load the BBS in a pistol in your state/locale.

[panzermk2]

Barnes’ Banded Solids™ stop dangerous game right now! In life-threatening situations, you can depend on Banded Solids to put the largest animal down. Machined from homogenous copper/zinc alloy, these indestructible bullets won’t disintegrate or deflect on heavy bone.

Multiple bands, or rings, cut into the shank of Barnes Banded Solids relieve pressure and virtually eliminate fouling. New nose design tracks straighter through dense muscle and bone. Weight-matched with TSX Bullets of the same caliber, Banded Solids can be interchanged with expanding bullets without varying point of impact.




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[Grantness]

Weight-matched with TSX Bullets of the same caliber, Banded Solids can be interchanged with expanding bullets without varying point of impact.

I never understood that statement. Sure they are the same weight, but they dont get anywhere near the same velocity w/ the same charge...

[fatherfoof]

The Panz is quoting from the Barnes ad, and we all know an ad in print is always true. That's why I appreciate Gore inventing the internet per his campaign ads so we can have this forum. :lmao:

[gw45acp]

Weight-matched with TSX Bullets of the same caliber, Banded Solids can be interchanged with expanding bullets without varying point of impact.

I never understood that statement. Sure they are the same weight, but they dont get anywhere near the same velocity w/ the same charge...

I haven't tried them, but I'll bet this applies more closely to the larger bore rifle bullets.

[fatherfoof]

Complications are immense. Weight is not mass. Bullet length and more particularly guts of the bullet are what matters. When I speak, I use this example: imagine a baseball of a certain weight and diameter being thrown. Now make one the same size, but with the weight concentrated on one side. Imagine how pitching each one would be different. That is why things like BC meant something 40 yrs ago when everything was equal front to back, but when X-Bullets and such appeared, it threw the math totally off. The variarbles are infinite.