First attempt at reloading- Question
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First attempt at reloading- Question
I spent the evening reloading some 1x brass and noticed when loading a 20 rd clip with 10 rds, it was more difficult than with the factory ammo. The case was the approx 1.129. The OAL was 1.590. I used RCBS dies with Hornady V-max 40gr, CCI SRP, HS-6 at 6.3gr. I cleaned the brass with Simply Green and used the Lee lubrication and hand press. I tried to load in two different clips with the same results. Has anyone noticed this issue?
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You only used simple green and nothing else? No tumbling what so ever?
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Sorry. Yes, Quick-n easy tumbler was used.
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1.159. Sure about that? My factory loaded 40 Gr V Max 197SR loads measured from 1.570 to 1.580 O.A.L.
Difficult to load in the mag how?
Difficult to load in the mag how?
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Sorry again, the first 10 rds had an OAL of 1.590 while the second group of 10 came out between 1.570-1.580. When I am loading a clip with either group, it is difficult as more tension get placed on the spring to the point that the 10 rd feels like the 20th round of the factory. I have not tried more of the reloads or to add factory 197 to take the clip to 20rds as of yet but will this afternoon.
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I think your problem is that you did not resize the brass fully, and did not push the shoulder as far back as factory ammo. By doing this, the shoulder drags heavier on the rib inside the magazine. This is easy to check by disassembling your gun and use your barrel as a shoulder gauge. Do this by putting a factory round in the chamber of your barrel. Measure the distance from muzzle to the back of the round in the chamber. Now put one of your loads in the chamber and measure from the barrel end to the back of the round and I think you'll find your cartridge extends out a little further. You could still have good OAL, but not have a proper shoulder location.
I made this same mistake early on, and caught it because it was more difficult to load my reloads in the mags. If you don't closely pay attention while resizing, this is a possibility. Its also possible that your resizing die does not allow pushing the shoulder back far enough and may have to have a little metal taken off the bottom.
I had this same problem early on, my fix was more lube on resizing (I use copious amounts of Hornady One shot to lube cases) so that I was sure to fully extend the ram to the bottom of the die.
I made this same mistake early on, and caught it because it was more difficult to load my reloads in the mags. If you don't closely pay attention while resizing, this is a possibility. Its also possible that your resizing die does not allow pushing the shoulder back far enough and may have to have a little metal taken off the bottom.
I had this same problem early on, my fix was more lube on resizing (I use copious amounts of Hornady One shot to lube cases) so that I was sure to fully extend the ram to the bottom of the die.
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Thanks. I will give that a try.
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The Max COL is 1.590", so if you find that you are having trouble fitting them in the magazine....that might be your problem. If they are having trouble chambering, and they are under 1.59" (I reccommend no more than 1.585") then :agree: that you are probably not sizing the cases all the way. Perhaps you need to screw down you die a little bit more to get rid of any play in the press.
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I did as Tdevince suggested and just finished loading 20 rds. The OAL measured 1.58. The clip loaded very smoothly as I am used to with the factory ammo.I will be heading to the range tomorrow and anxiously trying them out. Thanks for all the assistance.
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Just for reference:
Different types of clips:
Different types of gun magazines:
Different types of clips:
Different types of gun magazines:
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I knew it would not be long before someone cleared that up.
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Thread goes from a question to resolution to thanks then to jackass! Irregardless I got my question answered so thanks again for the assistance.
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I'm glad you got your issue resolved also. Ribbing is what happens among friends. Name calling is for ninnies.
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I know. So much for context, for some reason the imicon feature doesn't work while typing responses on my Blackberry. I wasn't referring to you as jackass but rather to myself for trying to save time and on a qwerty keyboard and minimizing magazine to clips. I had selected the smilie bashing into a wall to indicate that.
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Perhaps it is because when people hear the term "clip" they thinks of Obama's reference to banning "high capacity clips". It is funny to watch people cringe over terminology. I tend to be bad about it. I cringe when I hear someone say "PKI Infrastructure".
As for the max OAL, If you get near the limits, you may want to measure each round. I have had an interesting time with the Winchester 55gr FMJBT where there is a lot of variance with the Lee custom dies. I always re-measure now since I have had a few stick in the magazine, which required disassembly to get them out.
As for the max OAL, If you get near the limits, you may want to measure each round. I have had an interesting time with the Winchester 55gr FMJBT where there is a lot of variance with the Lee custom dies. I always re-measure now since I have had a few stick in the magazine, which required disassembly to get them out.
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I wonder, if he ban's clips that hold 10 rnds or more, will our hi cap. mags still be legal? Maybe use their ignorance to our advantage. :laugh:tejohnson wrote:Perhaps it is because when people hear the term "clip" they thinks of Obama's reference to banning "high capacity clips"...
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There's a thought! Just so long the legislation makes use of the exact term with no clarification... That would be priceless, unlikely, but priceless.
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LOL...we can only hope
On a serious note, I dont think it will be Obama who proposes this stuff. He will let the Democratic congress pass these bills, and just sign them saying "its the will of the people" as an excuse.
On a serious note, I dont think it will be Obama who proposes this stuff. He will let the Democratic congress pass these bills, and just sign them saying "its the will of the people" as an excuse.
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I measure after each bullet seating. I purchased the Lee hand loading press kit and thought I had pointed out adequately to the gun shop that I wanted the Hornady dies but ended up with the RCBS which I am not disappointed in at all. I had an issue getting the hex bolt locked down to hold in place. I finally got that dialed in and locked down so the OAL has been holding consistent. Looking back, I should have purchased the Rock Chucker Kit... Have spent way more trying to be thrifty.
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which press did you get?
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The Lee handpress.
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oh...I thought you had to have special dies with that one.
If you're going to be thrifty, you should at least get that little Lee "C" press that comes free with the purchase of Modern Reloading 2nd Edition *That is, if they are still running that deal*. I bet it would be a lot easier to work with.
If you're going to be thrifty, you should at least get that little Lee "C" press that comes free with the purchase of Modern Reloading 2nd Edition *That is, if they are still running that deal*. I bet it would be a lot easier to work with.
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I thought I was locked into Lee dies but when I picked up the stuff I ordered, saw the RCBS dies and questioned the store owner, he said that any die could be used but was just labor intensive. Its okay for loading small amounts of brass and for those deficient of space to actually bolt down a press. I have some space, just have to add some bench tops. I have been eyeing a turret press by Lee once I make the space useable.
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all you really need is a couple inches of ply wood cut to spec and bolted down (or held down with vices)...
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I'll do that. I have about 2.5ft of wall space that I plan to use in a walk in closet(that houses gun safes). I'm looking at the 4 die turret press. I have the dies ordered for .308, .40 and .44 Mag. I don't mind using the handpress and will more than likely continue to use it on occassion for 20 rds at a time while watching a ballgame or maybe at the range on extended shooting days after purchasing a chrono.
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Where are you in NC? Around Boone?(Mountaineer logo). Elkin here.
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I love using the term clips, just to drive guys like Steve nuts! :lmao:
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yep, near Boone
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I was looking through the reloading forum and read where some were using loctite on the primers. How is it best utilized? In the primer pocket before primer seating or on the outside once seating is finished? Or is it even necessary?
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My guess is that it would be applied on the inside edges of the primer pocket. As far as I know, only one member has done this. I would not reccommend it if your primers cant stay put due to an enlarged primer pocket....because this probably means your brass is shot (as in beat). It MIGHT be ok to use if you are worried about primers blowing out, but again....your load is prob a little hot if that is happening to begin with.
Normally, it isnt necessary.
Normally, it isnt necessary.
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:laugh: :clap:panzermk2 wrote:I love using the term clips, just to drive guys like Steve nuts! :lmao:
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I vote we make Esteves' post a sticky!
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nah, its too much fun correcting people!
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+1. If your primer pockets won't hold a primer, chunk 'em. Your brass is worn out, even if it is only 2x. I experimented with Loctite on primers, but I don't recommend it.Grantness wrote:My guess is that it would be applied on the inside edges of the primer pocket. As far as I know, only one member has done this. I would not reccommend it if your primers cant stay put due to an enlarged primer pocket....because this probably means your brass is shot (as in beat). It MIGHT be ok to use if you are worried about primers blowing out, but again....your load is prob a little hot if that is happening to begin with.
Normally, it isnt necessary.
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Thanks. I'll be leaving the loctite out of the process.
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