Hornady 45gr HP/BEE

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Hornady 45gr HP/BEE

Post by Rapier1772 » 07 May 2013, 21:23

My buddy said he had some 45gr bullets that were too light for his AR so I traded some 55gr FMJ.
He didn't tell me the bullets were BEEs :skep:

So before I say "Gimme my bullets back" & hand him back these, can I use them? They are pretty small. Here's a pic of them with 2 Hornady 40Gr V-Max bullets for size comparison.

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If not, any recommendations for .223?
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Re: Hornady 45gr HP/BEE

Post by fd57 » 08 May 2013, 04:07

Go for it. Someone indicated they experienced a feeding issue in the FSN with these, but I've cycled 50 without issue in a couple FSNs. Check out Desert Ammo Supply - they have a "Bulldog" round that utilizes this same projectile.

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Post by Rapier1772 » 08 May 2013, 08:21

Thanks, now if I can just find load info. Guess I will start with usual 45gr stuff & see where that gets me.
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Re: Hornady 45gr HP/BEE

Post by kmiles » 08 May 2013, 12:54

They do not look any shorter than the Speer TNT Green 30 gr. that I have used, so you should be ok. I have heard that people with PS90's have issues with shorter bullets, but have not had and issues with the TNT Green that I have loaded with a COL of 1.375.

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Post by grimmond » 08 May 2013, 17:56

Rapier1772 wrote:Thanks, now if I can just find load info. Guess I will start with usual 45gr stuff & see where that gets me.
I have been shooting that round with great results for about a year now with my FSN USG before I got EA's heavy duty spring. When I tested, it I maxed out with 5.7gr Ramshot True blue and CCI 400 primers. At 5.8gr I got flattening primers. At 5.9gr all primers were flattened and firing pin strikes were buttoned out. At 6.0gr I got 2 out of 10 pierced primers so I stopped and backed it back down to 5.7gr. At 5.7gr it averaged 1713fps for me. I am going to start testing it with Blue Dot and VVn105 next but it will have to what till I can find more of those bullets.
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Post by Rapier1772 » 08 May 2013, 18:18

Just found this on tactical search:
ddouglas wrote:Fumblefingers. The issue was in the 1/10/2010 issue of Handloader Magazine. Here's the link to the article: http://www.loaddata.com/articles/PDF/LD ... %20LR1.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. This is a members site, so you might not be able to see the article if you are not a member. I did save the article as a PDF, but I think it would be a copyright violation if I were to publish the PDF file here....
From http://www.fivesevenforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=9236" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I will load 10 of each of those on the list if I have the powder (think I have 5 of them) & report back.
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Post by panzermk2 » 08 May 2013, 21:20

We used those for the first gen Pro3 but to many customers where having feeding issues so we switched to another JHP.
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Post by JollyRogers » 09 Jun 2013, 06:23

I ended up with 500 of these 45grn HP/BEE projectiles, by mistake TBH. If they will work for small varmit & plinking, I may as well shoot em up.

Well yesterday my friend came down to put some (~300) rounds downrange using my backstop out back... and I got to keep his brass!!! I also put 100 through my new FsN MKII :) So I got some loading to do now :D

So has anyone used this load data for the 45grain HP/Bee http://www.loaddata.com/articles/PDF/LD ... %20LR1.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; with any success? I only have the AA#7 or Blue Dot as an option for powder. Curious of Rapier1772's report back, but I searched his posts and didn't find anything. Also looked for grimmond's results with blue dot, but nothing yet. I did read grantness did some loads for vvn105.

As far as feed issues. where they on the FsN or PS90, or both?

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Post by grimmond » 09 Jun 2013, 08:49

I have only been able to try AA-5, AA-7, and True Blue. Since my last post I still have not been able to get my hands on any more of the bullets. I can tell you that the load data in the article so far is pretty accurate, as long as you follow their OAL and primers. Also they say to crimp the loads but I never did. I polished and set my sizing die so that the case neck is slightly smaller so that it puts extra tension on the bullet. I see on average about 100fps faster using CCI 400 primers then what they had listed. Also my OAL is 1.450" and I trim my cases to 1.130". Since my original testing I have added the EA HD spring and have not had the chance to see what difference it will have on my loads. I never had any feeding issues out of my FSN. All of my testing at the moment is on a experimental 30gr bullet from Cutting Edge.
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Post by JollyRogers » 09 Jun 2013, 09:16

Thanks grimmond for that feedback!!! I'll use AA7 or work up some loads with blue dot since I have easy access to both now.

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Post by Rapier1772 » 15 Jun 2013, 00:42

I've finally gotten around to loading some of these up but I've ran into a problem.
The bullet seating plug is as low as it goes, the only way to get the OAL within spec is to lower the die. Now the die is causing a shoulder on the neck & I have to file the edge off in order to make it fit the go/no go gauge and chamber.

Does anyone have a solution to making the plug, or maybe the bullet, a little longer? Something that wont fall out every time & yet can be removed easily enough when no longer needed :ponder:
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Post by JollyRogers » 15 Jun 2013, 04:16

I am going to run into the same exact problem. Using the Hornady die here, and as it is with the seater, I am down to the last few threads when seating the 40grn V-MAX to 1.580. Almost picked up a set of redding dies because of this, but not sure if they are any better...

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Post by grimmond » 15 Jun 2013, 08:08

Rapier1772 wrote:I've finally gotten around to loading some of these up but I've ran into a problem.
The bullet seating plug is as low as it goes, the only way to get the OAL within spec is to lower the die. Now the die is causing a shoulder on the neck & I have to file the edge off in order to make it fit the go/no go gauge and chamber.

Does anyone have a solution to making the plug, or maybe the bullet, a little longer? Something that wont fall out every time & yet can be removed easily enough when no longer needed :ponder:
What dies are you using? I have only been using my Lee dies because they worked the best. I have not run into that problem with them. The only other solutions I can think of would be to either grind off some of the bottom of your seating die or to find a way to add to the plug.
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Post by Rapier1772 » 15 Jun 2013, 08:50

I use Lee dies & grinding off the bottom wouldn't help, it's the inside bit that needs it. I have no tools that can help with where that is.

And the adding to the plug, that's what I'm asking for - either to the plug or the bullet.
Can't be permanent though, since it works fine for my regular rounds & it's the only one I have.
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Post by grimmond » 15 Jun 2013, 09:05

That is really odd. Do you have any 55gr fmj that you could melt the lead out and trim the top off to act as a hat to make the round longer? Something else you might be able to try if the top part of your seating plug has room you might be able to sand or lathe it down in diameter so that it will go in farther. Just a thought. Lee might have a possible solution also. It could be just be a miscut plug.
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Post by Rapier1772 » 15 Jun 2013, 09:37

I was thinking about the hat thing, just not quite sure how to pull it off properly.
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Post by grimmond » 15 Jun 2013, 09:44

Something else I just thought of. Your seating pin should be some what free floating. Just remove the upper cap and add something inside to have it adjust lower. You wouldn't have to remove it for longer rounds then.
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Post by Rapier1772 » 15 Jun 2013, 11:45

There is a ball bearing on top of the seating pin but there is still a bottom limit to the plug, I'm at that limit.

Until a better solution comes along, I am just chucking up the finished cartridge in a drill & filing the burr off until it fits in the gauge. Not good for the brass but I have plenty of that :thumb:
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Post by grimmond » 19 Jun 2013, 17:39

Rapier1772 wrote:There is a ball bearing on top of the seating pin but there is is still a bottom limit to the plug, I'm at that limit.

Until a better solution comes along, I am just chucking up the finished cartridge in a drill & filing the burr off until it fits in the gauge. Not good for the brass but I have plenty of that :thumb:
How long have you had your seating die? I just got back home from being in the field with the Army and pulled mine apart. I do not have any ball bearing on top of the seating pin. My pin is 1.955" long and has a small step down in diameter to .221" starting at 1.872" which allows it to go down into the bullet opening which I believe is why I have not had that problem. I will try and take some pictures and post them for you guys.
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Post by grimmond » 19 Jun 2013, 17:56

Here is a pic of my pin. Image
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