American Eagle 40gr 5.7x28mm FMJ :)
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Yes TMJ.
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I guess it is the first TMJ for the 5.7x28mm.
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I wonder if you could pull the projectile from both the AE5.7 and SS197SR, and swap them. You'd then have a factory "faster" AE5.7 and a cheapo plinking round with the Vmax.
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That's not recommended.
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I'd have to switch out the powder too
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It would be interesting to see what kind of velocity the 40gr TMJ could be driven to in a max pressure type loading.
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If y'all have a gander mountain near ya check there I just picked up 7 boxes this week from Wisconsin they have it for $24 and some change about $1 cheaper then when they have the federal in stock. Might pick up a few more boxes while they still have it.
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ammunitiondepot.com has them in stock $24.97 per box, luckily for me I am only 5 miles away I can pick them up.
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I went into my local Cabela's this evening and noticed that the shelf for 5.7x28mm was not empty! There were a bunch of boxes of American Eagle TMJ. I was excited as this was the first time to finally have it in my hands. It was marked 23.99 on the shelf but rang up 19.99 - which happens to be the internet price.
Federal American Eagle ammo for the 5.7?
Has anyone here ran any of the Federal American Eagle ammo through their 5.7? I just talked to a guy at Cabela's and he said they could get some shipped to the store in about a week or two. It's $19.99 for a box of 50 so I went ahead and ordered 10 boxes since I haven't been able to find any FnH ammo anywhere. Just wondering if it's any good or if anybody has any comments about the Federal brand of ammo for the 5.7.
Here's a link to it - http://www.cabelas.com/product/Shooting ... t104372280
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ahh, here we go again...
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Merged
Tactical Search n00b! :p
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Re: American Eagle 40gr 5.7x28mm FMJ :)
I bought one box at Academy for 19.99. Sure would be nice to have non FN loads at reasonable prices finally.
Re: American Eagle 40gr 5.7x28mm FMJ :)
They're still FN/Fiocchi loads
Re: American Eagle 40gr 5.7x28mm FMJ :)
?? The bullets may be speer, but the ammo is still loaded by FiocchiFotis wrote:speer
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They aren't Speer or any Speer that they sell to the public.
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Re: American Eagle 40gr 5.7x28mm FMJ :)
i found american eagle in okc for 19.00 a box @ Academy Sports
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Has anybody tried using American Eagle 5.7x28 bullets?
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Nope. No one here has reSEARCHed that round, its existence is a myth. :skep:
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Re: American Eagle 40gr 5.7x28mm FMJ :)
Just to let everyone know. I have found this ammo at Big R for 19.99 a box. The sad part is they have a two box limit
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:thumb: thanks for the heads up malern28us, 2 box limit that stinks but I'm glad to see the ammo at a decent price.
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GanderMountain 24.99, no limit!! Get some!!
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sold outReverend Herc wrote:GanderMountain 24.99, no limit!! Get some!!
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Re: American Eagle 40gr 5.7x28mm FMJ :)
This new Eagle ammo practically went through my steel plate. I thought this new ammo was supposed to be weak? Could be my new favorite! The other rounds in the picture are the LF196 hollow point rounds, which left behind large chunks of lead. PS90 at about 75 feet.
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What kind of steel?
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Mild steel, 1/4" thick. Most of the painted over strikes are from a 9mm carbine.
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$21.99 a box at Cabela's, + $5 shipping!
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First time poster; thought I'd share my chrono results using AE 5.7 x 28 mm and a FN FiveSeven MK II:
Conditions:
70 degrees F, 3900 ft elevation, ~29.9 mm Hg barometric pressure
Chrono (Chrony F-1) at 10 ft
5 shots: 1658, 1659, 1649, 1656, 1722 fps
Average: 1669 fps
St Dev: 26.8 fps
Energy at Chrono: 247 ft-lbs
For comparison, the same conditions and pistol using SS197SR:
6 shots: 1737, 1694, 1740, 1735, 1737, 1716 fps
Average: 1729 fps
St Dev: 17.4 fps
Energy at Chrono: 265 ft-lbs
Conditions:
70 degrees F, 3900 ft elevation, ~29.9 mm Hg barometric pressure
Chrono (Chrony F-1) at 10 ft
5 shots: 1658, 1659, 1649, 1656, 1722 fps
Average: 1669 fps
St Dev: 26.8 fps
Energy at Chrono: 247 ft-lbs
For comparison, the same conditions and pistol using SS197SR:
6 shots: 1737, 1694, 1740, 1735, 1737, 1716 fps
Average: 1729 fps
St Dev: 17.4 fps
Energy at Chrono: 265 ft-lbs
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Always good havin chrony info; having chrony info in such detail is value added!
Thanks for contributing.
I'm surprised that the FMJ AE is so watered down compared to the 197. Then again, I shouldn't be.
Thanks for contributing.
I'm surprised that the FMJ AE is so watered down compared to the 197. Then again, I shouldn't be.
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Re: American Eagle 40gr 5.7x28mm FMJ :)
Picked up 5 boxes yesterday afternoon at GanderMTN: http://www.gandermountain.com/modperl/p ... conn&lct=s
Shipped quickly but sold out later same day.
Shipped quickly but sold out later same day.
Re: American Eagle 40gr 5.7x28mm FMJ :)
Regardless of whether AE is as good as FN, the bottom line for me is that it gives me some measure of affordability at the range, where my aim (no pun intended) is just to maintain discharge/grip memory shooting the 57. AE may not have velocity of FN or may be "watered down", but it still shoots fine in my 57 and I save a few bucks--that is all I want out of the ammo. When I get home the AE and even the 197 gets replaced in the 57 with Elite. My 57 is for home defense and a little more frangibility is my choice instead of many holes thru many walls. It also complements my 12g very nicely.
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I picked up 1,000 rounds of AE recently from Natchez. Mainly because it has been all that is available lately. I still have a pretty good stash of FN ammo, but it is always good to add more. I took my wife to a local indoor range and brought my IOM, which I shoot regularly, and her USG, which doesn't get shot much. Her groups were not impressive, so I picked up her USG and shot the worst group I can ever remember shooting. Then I shot one with the IOM and it was much tighter. I then realized that the USG was loaded with AE, so I put a mag of AE through the IOM, and the group was embarrasing. I alternated guns, mags and ammo a few times, and the AE groups were consistently larger than the SS197 groups. I was chagrined.
Yesterday I took my PS90 out to the desert to have a little fun. It is a few years old, with a Gen2 hammer pack and white ring site, with 1,000's of rounds through it. All my mags are factory FN with Elite springs in them. I loaded up a couple of mags with AE. Just shooting at cans, so no real opportunity for accuracy comparison, but it jammed 3 times. I can't recall it ever jamming in the past. A simple failure to feed that was easy to clear. I just racked it and a new cartridge and empty case dropped at my feet.
Easy choice for me, I just won't shoot that stuff any more. I hope to see blue boxes on the shelf someday soon.
Yesterday I took my PS90 out to the desert to have a little fun. It is a few years old, with a Gen2 hammer pack and white ring site, with 1,000's of rounds through it. All my mags are factory FN with Elite springs in them. I loaded up a couple of mags with AE. Just shooting at cans, so no real opportunity for accuracy comparison, but it jammed 3 times. I can't recall it ever jamming in the past. A simple failure to feed that was easy to clear. I just racked it and a new cartridge and empty case dropped at my feet.
Easy choice for me, I just won't shoot that stuff any more. I hope to see blue boxes on the shelf someday soon.
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NLVMike wrote:I picked up 1,000 rounds of AE recently from Natchez. Mainly because it has been all that is available lately. I still have a pretty good stash of FN ammo, but it is always good to add more. I took my wife to a local indoor range and brought my IOM, which I shoot regularly, and her USG, which doesn't get shot much. Her groups were not impressive, so I picked up her USG and shot the worst group I can ever remember shooting. Then I shot one with the IOM and it was much tighter. I then realized that the USG was loaded with AE, so I put a mag of AE through the IOM, and the group was embarrasing. I alternated guns, mags and ammo a few times, and the AE groups were consistently larger than the SS197 groups. I was chagrined.
Yesterday I took my PS90 out to the desert to have a little fun. It is a few years old, with a Gen2 hammer pack and white ring site, with 1,000's of rounds through it. All my mags are factory FN with Elite springs in them. I loaded up a couple of mags with AE. Just shooting at cans, so no real opportunity for accuracy comparison, but it jammed 3 times. I can't recall it ever jamming in the past. A simple failure to feed that was easy to clear. I just racked it and a new cartridge and empty case dropped at my feet.
Easy choice for me, I just won't shoot that stuff any more. I hope to see blue boxes on the shelf someday soon.
Other users on the other forum have had many jams in their P90 with AE.
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Nothing new for the AE in the PS90. I think it's the shorter bullet with a lack of glue on the bullet. When I pulled rounds down, the AE was by far the easiest round to pull apart.
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I have started to see some American Eagle 5.7 ammo on the shelves at Academy here in Texas.
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Here were the AE5728A / SS197SR / SS195LF results from my what I think is a very early USG model Five-seven.
The AE ammo produced slightly larger groups but only because of a couple stray shots.
These were all shot with the same point of aim so you can easily see the difference in velocity by the height of the groups.
I did not have any failures, however this was brand new AE ammo I bought the week before.
The AE ammo produced slightly larger groups but only because of a couple stray shots.
These were all shot with the same point of aim so you can easily see the difference in velocity by the height of the groups.
I did not have any failures, however this was brand new AE ammo I bought the week before.
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I guess I could have posted the group sizes!
8 shots at a fast pace, standing, from 21 feet:
AE5728A: 3.0"
SS197SR: 2.5"
SS195LF: 2.5"
If I remove the two worst shots from each group (assuming shooter error):
AE5728A: 1.9"
SS197SR: 2.0"
SS195LF: 1.6"
I should also put up a disclaimer noting that I have minimal training and experience, therefore I am not a very good shot by any means...
8 shots at a fast pace, standing, from 21 feet:
AE5728A: 3.0"
SS197SR: 2.5"
SS195LF: 2.5"
If I remove the two worst shots from each group (assuming shooter error):
AE5728A: 1.9"
SS197SR: 2.0"
SS195LF: 1.6"
I should also put up a disclaimer noting that I have minimal training and experience, therefore I am not a very good shot by any means...
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