How do yall deal with the haters?

[firestorm248]

What do yall tell the 5.7X28 haters who claim that the only decent round and gun is a .45 1911. Me and my buddy go back and forth on this every week. He claims the famous over penetration myth and that the 5.7X28 doesn’t have enough stopping power. I don’t know what he thinks because I don’t go looking for people high on drugs to fight and most gun fights stop with a single round. How do yall deal with the haters?

[srt-4_jon]

Haters gon hate

[Cyberfly]

IF they are so closed minded as to refuse to even consider the facts about the platform, then there is no sense in wasting your time.
Big and slow VS small and fast.
If they can't comprehend simple physics, then they'll never understand the platform.

[jgreenberg01]

Sometimes I try to explain about the platform/round to them, really depending on the situation. But regardless of if I do that or not, and even what their reaction is if I do - I always think about a phrase that makes me realize it just doesn't matter. As someone very smart once said:

"You may scoff at a .22, but you will never do it while one is pointed in you face."

(And no, I am NOT comparing the 5.7x28 to a .22. There's a moral in that thar little phrase somewhere...)

[Zhurdan]

First off, anyone that uses the term "Stopping power" needs to be ignored outright. There is and has always been only two things that "stop" people:

1. Loss of blood to where they no longer function and this takes time (this is where the bigger hole part comes in)
2. Elimination of the central nervous system this is nearly instantaneous. (this is where the penetration part comes in)

ok... three things that "stop" people

3. The aggressors loss of will to fight (this is where the one shot to stop a gunfight part comes in)

[ynoty3k]

[firestorm248]

Ya it always seems like a pointless argument but he never runs out of comments about how impractical, hard to find and expensive the platform is. I don’t argue its expensive, but of all the pistols I have had the pleasure of shooting, 9mm Berretta, S&W MP40, FN 5.7, and a few others it’s the most comfortable to shoot and my accuracy is incredible compared to the others.

[fzr confused]

If the difference between ~$20 per 50 (197) and ~$18 per 50 (basic price for .40 around me at walmart) is enough to make you not shoot it, well they might have other problems. Yes some of the GOOD ammo for the 5.7 is expensive, but all good SD ammo is no matter the caliber. Heck there are tons of expensive ammo for .40 and .45 and they do not perform that much better than the cheap stuff.

[blueorison]

Never BEFORE, EVER, have I seen such succinct and completely righteous replies in ANY thread on the forum.

I hereby validate and promote all the above users to Gold Star status.

I laugh at them, and take it with a grain of salt.

^ This is exactly what I do. I don't bother wasting my awesome time on these people. Ignorance isn't worth your time if they wish to remain ignorant. If they actually wish to learn or ask me questions, I share my knowledge with them and note that the factory ammunition is weaker than EA's and show them some of the EA SD rounds and why they are a major improvement and enable the platform to its true potential.

And for your efforts, an picture of how awesome the FsN can be IRL (with 15-20 mph winds):



Enough said.

[ynoty3k]

Blue, is she a lefty?

[blueorison]

she's ambidextrous.

I'll leave it at that.

[Rapier1772]

Depends on where I am. Out at the range, I ask them if they have ever shot a FsN - to which they have always replied "no" so far. I offer to let them try firing a few rounds. The ones that take me up on it quickly change their minds. The last guy REALLY wants one now but can't afford it :laugh: The ones that do not take me up on it, just walk away & I ignore them.

If I am at home or in school w/my computer near me, I play them the watermelon and sauce can vids :laugh:
Which reminds me... I need to shoot a few more watermelons with other calibers. :guns: I don't have comparison vids yet.

[SeaHawkDriver-B]

Ask the 19 soldiers shot at Fort Hood if they think the 5.7x28 has no stopping power.

Most peole don't realize that a bullet hits you no harder than the kick of the gun in your hand. Newton's 2nd law of motion is in effect here, for every action, an equal and opposite reaction; therefore, the momentum of the recoil of the gun will be greater than the change in momentum of the bullet hiting its target. Stopping-power has nothing to do with being "knocked down", but the ability of the bullet to shock the nervous system, and cause significant trauma to internal organs and vascular structures, causing immediate incapacitation and/or instant loss of motor function.

[ynoty3k]

Ask the 19 soldiers shot at Fort Hood if they think the 5.7x28 has no stopping power.

Most peole don't realize that a bullet hits you no harder than the kick of the gun in your hand. Newton's 2nd law of motion is in effect here, for every action, an equal and opposite reaction; therefore, the momentum of the recoil of the gun will be greater than the change in momentum of the bullet hiting its target. Stopping-power has nothing to do with being "knocked down", but the ability of the bullet to shock the nervous system, and cause significant trauma to internal organs and vascular structures, causing immediate incapacitation and/or instant loss of motor function.

I think you mean 3rd law...

[panzermk2]

Ask the 19 soldiers shot at Fort Hood if they think the 5.7x28 has no stopping power.

Most peole don't realize that a bullet hits you no harder than the kick of the gun in your hand. Newton's 2nd law of motion is in effect here, for every action, an equal and opposite reaction; therefore, the momentum of the recoil of the gun will be greater than the change in momentum of the bullet hiting its target. Stopping-power has nothing to do with being "knocked down", but the ability of the bullet to shock the nervous system, and cause significant trauma to internal organs and vascular structures, causing immediate incapacitation and/or instant loss of motor function.

I think you mean 3rd law...

friggin college kids these days.

[PainKillaX]

All you can do is lay down the facts. Some people just can't be convinced. And yea, shooting it changes a lot of people's minds.

[Cyberfly]

Just smile at the butthead and say, 'Jealous much?'
He'll go into a tirade, but ignore it. They're ALL jealous of the FsN and wish they could afford one.

[Team Helotes]

Never argue with an idiot, they will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.

[angels-zero]

What do yall tell the 5.7X28 haters who claim that the only decent round and gun is a .45 1911. Me and my buddy go back and forth on this every week. He claims the famous over penetration myth and that the 5.7X28 doesn’t have enough stopping power. I don’t know what he thinks because I don’t go looking for people high on drugs to fight and most gun fights stop with a single round. How do yall deal with the haters?

SeaHawkDriver: Ask the 19 soldiers shot at Fort Hood if they think the 5.7x28 has no stopping power.

Best answer I've heard yet. Simple. End of discussion with that answer. :ponder: Screw the notion of explaining physics and theory to the uninformed. I mean, 'ya think the minds at FN don't know more about ballistics than some Joe at the Range?

[lynnhaddock]

I share my knowledge with them and note that the factory ammunition is weaker than EA's and show them some of the EA SD rounds and why they are a major improvement and enable the platform to its true potential.

.
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Just curious, which of the Elite Ammo rounds do you prefer for a carry application in the FiveSeven ?
What's up with this special S4M round ?
THANKS

[blueorison]

I share my knowledge with them and note that the factory ammunition is weaker than EA's and show them some of the EA SD rounds and why they are a major improvement and enable the platform to its true potential.

.
.
Just curious, which of the Elite Ammo rounds do you prefer for a carry application in the FiveSeven ?
What's up with this special S4M round ?
THANKS

For carry, S4/S5/T6, in that order of preference. I prefer S4 the most.

S4M is a moly coated round. Check it out on EA's site @ eliteammunition.com

[ShockedNKansas]

How to deal with the haters? You can't with "facts" like these....

http://www.chuckhawks.com/5-7x28_cop_killer.htm

http://cheaperthandirt.com/blog/?p=769

These numbers indicate that the common 9x19mm is a considerably more powerful cartridge than the 5.7x28mm when fired from pistol length barrels.

:ponder:

The 5.7×28 cartridge is not appropriate for use on anything except small game, such as squirrels and rabbits.

:skep:

This leaves us with the obvious conclusion that the 5.7x28mm cartridge has little advantage over the .22 WMR in terms of killing power

:facepalm:




:laugh: :lmao: :laugh: :lmao: :laugh: :lmao: :laugh: :lmao: :laugh: :lmao: :laugh: :lmao:

[blueorison]

They are off, but due to the considerably weak rounds that FN produces for their civilian market (compared to EA and what the cartridge can do).

[lmmmmm]

Im sure there is a reason the secret service carry the PS90 ...

[fatherfoof]

Gentlemen, please. This is how society changed. Every Field and Stream or Outdoor Life in the 1950s had comments on fireside discussions at each hunting cabin regarding the efficacy of any given firearm and caliber. Now we argue about hate? Good grief- we all have our favorites. I shoot about everything, but a special affinity lies in my heart for the 5.7. Arguing will convince nobody- just let them try your 5.7 at the range and show Jay's gel pictures.

[panzermk2wife]

Now I have been very fortunate never having to deal with 5.7 haters

If I came across one I would ask one simple question

Would you mind walking down range?

Of coarse I am kidding

Ignore the haters

They have either read all bs the media has put out there and or are too lazy to do their homework. Either way it's a waste of time trying to educate some people on certain things.

[fooschnickens]

How do I deal with the haters?

Simple.

Outshoot them.

[s4mur41h4x0r]

Now I have been very fortunate never having to deal with 5.7 haters

If I came across one I would ask one simple question

Would you mind walking down range?

:lmao: That was good

[panzermk2wife]

Thanks, I try to throw some humor in every once in awhile

[angels-zero]

Thanks, I try to throw some humor in every once in awhile

Panzer, your avatar is what's so hilarious! I read that Wall Street Journal article on Starbucks open carry policy and was quite entertained reading the "comments" section :lmao:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 89048.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[panzermk2]

Thanks, I try to throw some humor in every once in awhile

Panzer, your avatar is what's so hilarious! I read that Wall Street Journal article on Starbucks open carry policy and was quite entertained reading the "comments" section :lmao:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 89048.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

panzermk2wife

[Cyberfly]

..."and the two shall become one flesh"
'nuff said.
hehehehehe

[s4mur41h4x0r]

Thanks, I try to throw some humor in every once in awhile

Panzer, your avatar is what's so hilarious! I read that Wall Street Journal article on Starbucks open carry policy and was quite entertained reading the "comments" section :lmao:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 89048.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

panzermk2wife

:laugh: it took me a minute to get that.

[pharoh]

I tell'em to put heir chest where their mouth is......so far... no takers....

[fleshjunkie]

I have the same problem with my 1911-loving buddy. I think it is human nature to resist change, the haters are stuck on a platform that is ~100 years old and simply cannot understand all this new-fangled technology... "wtf is the internet?!" (Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back)

[firestorm248]

HAHA i gonna have a 22 hour ride with 2 FsN haters when i go to gunsite...o joy

With any good luck i will have my personal ballistics tests done by then

[panzermk2wife]

OH SNAP

I was actually able to use my line today for the first time. You know the line I am talking about "Would you mind walking down range?

It's just a damn shame it had to be via email instead of face to face. One of my cousin's friend's sent me an email via Facebook talking smack about the FiveseveN and I laid into him and I impressed myself because I actually sounded like I knew what I was talking about :laugh:

He had shut his mouth after I asked him if he would mind walking down range while I tested it capabilities. My cousin called me later and was laughing his ass off because his friend told him that I was a crazy b**ch. And he told him well what do you expect she is my cousin :lmao:

[smpsmp]

I've thought about posting in this thread before, and just never did for whatever reason, but I actually haven't had to deal with anyone against the FsN. Every time I go up to the gun club, just a quick description of what's all there (100 yard, 50 yard, 25 yard or less [you can walk right up to the targets], 5 stand trap shooting, and a pond, and the club house [stocked bar, pool table, a few t.v.'s]), I've never had a single person say anything good or bad about it. Every one that ventures out from the bar is just always curious to see it and maybe shoot it here and there. I guess it's just the mentality there (when a bunch of us shoot trap during the spring and summer Wednesday nights, my buddies dad still shoots a Mossberg 500 (from the first year of production, and it's never been cleaned [bad luck he says for waterfowl] and there's rings down the barrel from all the steel shot, and he painted over the blued finish with spray paint) to another friend up there who shoots with a Browning Citori. So I guess it's mostly the mentality that we all up there want to try shooting what the guy next to us has, and everyone is always up for it.

[blueorison]

HAHA i gonna have a 22 hour ride with 2 FsN haters when i go to gunsite...o joy

With any good luck i will have my personal ballistics tests done by then

Who cares what they think? They don't own one. Just smile and let them have their few lines of whatever they spew out, then enjoy the journey and the class with them. Don't let such a small indifference ruin the journey, though they might!

[panzermk2wife]

This is the first time anyone has ever said anything stupid to me about it.

I was excited that I was able to use my line on him

[angels-zero]

Bottom line, even with 197 rounds, you are getting rifle ballistics from a pistol. Add the EA stuff and , well...

Doh !

They say "Ignorance is bliss" -- Ignorant does not mean that you are STUPID, it just means --misinformed; lack of facts, if you will. .Let them be ignorant -- I think too much as it is already. They don't think at all. I hear the word "haters", but they really don't HATE, they just don' get it. They are misiformed. They hate that they don't get it. They hate the part that they are ignorant and they know it but somehow they just don't "get it". That's all. Lucky for us we can see beyond their ignorance. That's what they really hate.

[panzermk2]

We offer the conversion from fixed to adjustable night sights. We also offer the conversion from fixed to adjustable base so you can use our Mini slide mounted rial.

[flyingirish04]

..."and the two shall become one flesh"
'nuff said.
hehehehehe

That's an image. :lmao:

[fleshjunkie]

We offer the conversion from fixed to adjustable night sights. We also offer the conversion from fixed to adjustable base so you can use our Mini slide mounted rial.

hey panzermk2 -This looks like it might be an answer to a post i put up in another thread... SNK's "fixed sites or Adjustable". Anyhoo - thanks for the confirmation. i sent an e-mail to get on the list for accurizing/adj night sights a couple of days ago. very excited about this after reading all the kudos to your work - can't wait!!!

[TerryGecko]

I usually just explain to them, in every case where the FsN was used against a person, those who were shot in a vital area died and those who weren't lived. Just like any other quality handgun round.

When it comes to handguns, you're comparing one tiny hole to another slightly larger tiny hole. The differences between 5.7x28mm and 9mm are truly irrelevant. Shot placement is key and with the FsN you have higher capacity, almost no felt recoil, faster follow up shots, better accuracy, and the ability to defeat virtually any body armor with loads from Elite.

I carry a handgun for the same reason I carry a flashlight, knife, compass, cell phone, etc... I want to be prepared for everything that comes my way. With criminals wearing body armor more and more everyday, you really aren't preparing yourself for everything when you carry a 9mm.

When talking about a general purpose round for the masses, I usually agree that a 9mm Glock is probably the best. But for those of us who know the strengths and weaknesses of the FsN, train with it thoroughly, and carry loads from Elite Ammunition, there is no logical reason it can't be used as general purpose round. I would much rather carry a handgun and subgun in 5.7x28mm over a 9mm any day.

[blueorison]

Welcome, Terry.

One of the best first posts I've seen in a while. Where have you been lurking..

[n16ht5]

I just tell them they can't outpower my 10MM nor outshoot my 57. they're just pussyfootin around with that .45

[TerryGecko]

Welcome, Terry.

One of the best first posts I've seen in a while. Where have you been lurking..

Thank you for the compliment.

I post mostly over at ar15.com, however, I've learned almost all of my 5.7x28mm reloading information by lurking here. Tons of solid info. I appreciate everything this community has done for the FsN and PS90.

As for the naysayers, they are usually just ignorant on the topic. The 22 magnum comparison is usually an indication of this. Once you post data from Elite Ammunition, brassfetcher, and various other tests, there are usually few left wanting to argue.

[Rapier1772]

One of my college instructors in a gun enthusiast & he made the 22 magnum comment yesterday. He claims to be familiar with the round & says he owns a "P90" (I am betting he meant PS90 though). He showed a pic of his Saiga which I could have sworn I had seen on here before. If so, that means we have a member who thinks the FsN is a 22 magnum - blasphemy! Off with his head! As soon as I can figure out who he is :laugh:

[blueorison]

One of my college instructors in a gun enthusiast & he made the 22 magnum comment yesterday. He claims to be familiar with the round & says he owns a "P90" (I am betting he meant PS90 though). He showed a pic of his Saiga which I could have sworn I had seen on here before. If so, that means we have a member who thinks the FsN is a 22 magnum - blasphemy! Off with his head! As soon as I can figure out who he is :laugh:

:lmao:

[ShockedNKansas]

Wanna see an FsN hater get owned?

http://www.ar15armory.com/forums/FN-t66532.html&st=40

Nice work Jay!

[PainKillaX]

Slap the Brassfetcher videos up

[blueorison]

Brb guys, I'm too busy ignoring all the facts in front of my face.

So much to say, so little interweb space.

I think I'll save it for when it really is needed and just laugh this one off.

More advantage to me if the unbeliever tries to break in my house. Less chances of me facing a 5.7x28m that can punch my bones and more chances of me living.

[fooschnickens]

Wanna see an FsN hater get owned?

http://www.ar15armory.com/forums/FN-t66532.html&st=40

Nice work Jay!

I find it amazing that arfcom will let people get away with slandering their sponsors like that. I know the forums I mod on that crap gets shut down fast. And by shut down I don't mean a locked thread.

[blueorison]

that's actually barfarmorious, not barf.com

[fooschnickens]

Ah, so it is. They all look the same after a while.

[eyezon]

I actually took my conceal carry class a few weeks back. Shooters shot in groups of 5. When my group was up I unholstered my five seven, the instructor called for a cease fire. Interestingly enough, he asked if he could see my handgun and went on to give a 5 min history of the five seven and the capabilities. Talked about the Ft. Hood shooting and asked a few people what a 5.7 x 28mm round would do to bone when it makes contact.

He thanked me and I began to make my groupings at 10 yards. A few students would come by whenever they werent up and ask to hold the five seven. Asked about the price and availability. The only smart remark I got was from an older guy shootng some ivory handled 1911. When he found out I paid a grand for it, he replied, "that's it? pretty cheap gun." I just gave him a :skep: look and ignored that remark.

[PainKillaX]

I actually took my conceal carry class a few weeks back. Shooters shot in groups of 5. When my group was up I unholstered my five seven, the instructor called for a cease fire. Interestingly enough, he asked if he could see my handgun and went on to give a 5 min history of the five seven and the capabilities. Talked about the Ft. Hood shooting and asked a few people what a 5.7 x 28mm round would do to bone when it makes contact.

He thanked me and I began to make my groupings at 10 yards. A few students would come by whenever they werent up and ask to hold the five seven. Asked about the price and availability. The only smart remark I got was from an older guy shootng some ivory handled 1911. When he found out I paid a grand for it, he replied, "that's it? pretty cheap gun." I just gave him a :skep: look and ignored that remark.

I'd say maybe it's cheap for what it can do, overpriced for what it's made of
Price is based on perspective, if you only handle Kel-Tecs a grand looks like a lot, but if all you run is custom 1911s, maybe it seems "cheap". All I know is, I'm more than happy with what that thousand dollars bought me!

[fooschnickens]

Ditto.

I'm amazed at what the used market has them going for now, though. My friend's father in law has been hunting for one ever since he shot mine. Once the wedding is done and paid for that's the first thing he's getting :laugh:

[Ospy]

I just read that Starbucks article. OMG, what's the point California? What a goofy state, that's all I can say. Open carry is legal..IF the gun is unloaded. Huh? I wonder during the dry season if you're still allowed to put sprinklers out so long as you don't turn on the water.

[blueorison]

I actually took my conceal carry class a few weeks back. Shooters shot in groups of 5. When my group was up I unholstered my five seven, the instructor called for a cease fire. Interestingly enough, he asked if he could see my handgun and went on to give a 5 min history of the five seven and the capabilities. Talked about the Ft. Hood shooting and asked a few people what a 5.7 x 28mm round would do to bone when it makes contact.

He thanked me and I began to make my groupings at 10 yards. A few students would come by whenever they werent up and ask to hold the five seven. Asked about the price and availability. The only smart remark I got was from an older guy shootng some ivory handled 1911. When he found out I paid a grand for it, he replied, "that's it? pretty cheap gun." I just gave him a :skep: look and ignored that remark.

I'd say maybe it's cheap for what it can do, overpriced for what it's made of
Price is based on perspective, if you only handle Kel-Tecs a grand looks like a lot, but if all you run is custom 1911s, maybe it seems "cheap". All I know is, I'm more than happy with what that thousand dollars bought me!

Custom 1911's are something that I will never comprehend spending $5k on unless it's one that I have specifically designed with lightening cuts and chambered in a non-available 1911 cartridge.

I've shot 1911's more than I've shot AR15's, which is an odd statistic to say the least. From the cheapest Armscor that works to the nicest Les Baer or custom 9x23 by a smith from the Guild, I've been blessed with friends that have expensive tastes and are sharing. What I have realized is all the accuracy claims of the 1911's to shoot 1.5-2 inch groups at 25-50 yards are great claims, but a Taurus 1911 or a S&W 1911 will do approximately the same size groupings (with a slight increase in spread) as a custom-shop pistol such as a Kimber etc.

The parts won't be quality and you won't have a match barrel, but most of the time the shooter cannot even attain the level of 1 inch groups (I know I can't... I'm sure there are many that are better and can!). I will not lie to say that I would prefer a 1inch shooter over a cheap Taurus, but the point is, the 1911's that are decent and work are thousands cheaper and still do the same job.

I'm glad you didn't let the snobby guy bother you!

[eyezon]

I've always have been in the mindset that a handgun is means to a end to get you to your long gun. Not looking to have any protracted gun fights while carrying, and I feel 20 rds from my five seven will be plenty to get me out of whatever situation I'm in.

The only area I see some of those 1911 have on my FiveSeven is the ability to pistol whip. It would be pretty funny to see a reaction from a BG if I were to slap him on the side of his head with a FiveSeven. Then again, I don't have to carry that bulk every freaking day, and that is a definate plus for the FiveSeven.

*Off topic*
A coworker of mine just got his custom Les Baer ar15 in with all the bells and whistles. It came with a target with five holes. The note on the target indicated that each hole had been shot with five bullets each at 100 yards. So that's 50 rds with almost perfect groupings.
I was impressed, but dissappointed when the coworker indicated he would be putting on some cheap scope. I mean... c'mon, you just spent 4k on a rifle and you're going to skimp on the optics. People do weird stuff.

[argovader]

I have a FNP.45 and not a 5/7. I'd like a 5/7 but I don't have one. I shoot 230 gr bullets and can put two in a circle about 3 inches shooting both bullets in less than 1 second. I've had lots of practice doing this (not draw time but firing time). I shot a 5/7 at the range the other day and shot double taps into five different targets in about 6 or seven seconds. I have no doubt that my ability to engage multiple targets would be better with the five seven than with my 45. Single attacker I am probably still very comfortable with my big slow 230 gr bullet but it does take slightly longer to move that big brick around than the much lighter and less recoiling five seven. Nice gun. Just smile and be happy to have one--who cares if they don't get it.

[DogRomeo]

As a new guy around here, I found this thread both entertaining & informative. Thanks to those of you who contributed responsibly.

[ShockedNKansas]

Here is an opportunity for anyone willing to educate these poor blokes..

No it's not practical. The round that is effective is restricted to LEO and military. It has little recoil and a nice bark, but 9mm, 40S&W, and 45 ACP are more effective for defense.

I have shot that pistol a ton; as a target pistol it's a hoot, but for protective duties the round is just too light....

The 5.7 RN P90, as designed initially, as a PDW, is not such a bad idea.

The Five seveN Pistol, most especially with the easily available ammo in the caliber for which it is chambered, is simply a toy, for wannabes.

I'm also of the opinion that the 5.7 is nothing more or less than a good but over priced little rodent hunting round, much like .22 magnum, but that's about it.

http://www.sksboards.com/smf/index.php?topic=86509.0

[flyingirish04]

I am beyond tired responding to those lines of crap. True, FN doesn't make great pistol rounds, but they aren't 22 mags.

And furthermore, that is why we have EA! So yay for that!

[Rapier1772]

Why don't you point them here? That way we don't have to deal with anyone who doesn't want to be educated. Just be sure to tell them to use the search function before posting the same questions over again :laugh:

[fooschnickens]

Because making an account requires too much effort. Duh.

[ShockedNKansas]

Check the thread out now. It looks like somebody stepped in to set a few things straight on page 3! :cya:

http://www.sksboards.com/smf/index.php?topic=86509.30

[PainKillaX]

Brassfetcher needs to post their darn findings, where their report says "We feel that the Elite Ammunition S4M can be seen as a “+P” version of the very effective 27gr 5.7mm FMJ and we have no qualms about recommending this cartridge as a feasible replacement to the more conventional .45ACP handgun, for use against human attackers."

[firestorm248]

:agree:

[Rapier1772]

The person who tried to set them straight did post links to the brassfetcher pages

[PainKillaX]

True, but this is from the testing that they did on the S4M that has yet to be posted to the site.

[DmL5]

Check the thread out now. It looks like somebody stepped in to set a few things straight on page 3! :cya:

http://www.sksboards.com/smf/index.php?topic=86509.30

Regarding the range/energy numbers that were contested in the topic, plugging the cartridge numbers into a ballistics calculator (http://www.handloads.com/calc" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;) actually agrees with the Wikipedia statement: the 5.7x28mm SS190 has less energy remaining at 400 meters than a 124-grain 9mm does at 800 meters; that's obviously a positive for 5.7x28mm.

Aside from that, I see the same tired myths and ad hominem being recycled by almost everyone that thread.

[panzermk2]

True, but this is from the testing that they did on the S4M that has yet to be posted to the site.

We have the reports. Any who wants a copy can send an email to me at [email protected] and I will send them to you.

[firestorm248]

True, but this is from the testing that they did on the S4M that has yet to be posted to the site.

We have the reports. Any who wants a copy can send an email to me at [email protected] and I will send them to you.

Email sent, can't wait to read it :thumb:

[jgreenberg01]

True, but this is from the testing that they did on the S4M that has yet to be posted to the site.

We have the reports. Any who wants a copy can send an email to me at [email protected] and I will send them to you.

OMG Jay, that report om the S4 is exactly what the 5.7 community needs. I don't want to give away anything that you don't want broadcasted at this point, but why don't you post it for the world to see???

And congratulations, by the way... AWESOME report!!!!

[ShockedNKansas]

True, but this is from the testing that they did on the S4M that has yet to be posted to the site.

We have the reports. Any who wants a copy can send an email to me at [email protected] and I will send them to you.

OMG Jay, that report om the S4 is exactly what the 5.7 community needs. I don't want to give away anything that you don't want broadcasted at this point, but why don't you post it for the world to see???

And congratulations, by the way... AWESOME report!!!!

Perhaps it's a little too good? :clap:

[DmL5]

Brassfetcher's chronograph numbers seem low across the board, even given the small (1 shot) sample sizes. They got less than 1,630 ft/s for FN SS197SR, while most tests show 1,700 to 1,750 ft/s.

[firestorm248]

Damn that was an awesome report on the S4M, any doubt I had is gone now. Thats pretty damn impressive. :thumb:

[jgreenberg01]

True, but this is from the testing that they did on the S4M that has yet to be posted to the site.

We have the reports. Any who wants a copy can send an email to me at [email protected] and I will send them to you.

OMG Jay, that report om the S4 is exactly what the 5.7 community needs. I don't want to give away anything that you don't want broadcasted at this point, but why don't you post it for the world to see???

And congratulations, by the way... AWESOME report!!!!

Perhaps it's a little too good? :clap:

No, it's not too good, it's perfect. I will not steal Jay's thunder butttt... Jay, I really think you should post the results!!!

And Please make another run of S4Ms because I really need to order a few boxes!

[aimstylus]

I don't.

[PainKillaX]

I ordered my S4M the next batch after reading the report. Unfortunately BrassFetcher hasn't put it up yet and the forum doesn't allow for hosting files, but looks like the report is spreading. Jay, with your permission, I'd be willing to forward it to people as well to save you a little work.

[ShockedNKansas]

I ordered my S4M the next batch after reading the report. Unfortunately BrassFetcher hasn't put it up yet and the forum doesn't allow for hosting files, but looks like the report is spreading. Jay, with your permission, I'd be willing to forward it to people as well to save you a little work.

You mean it took this report to convince you that S4 is as good as Jay says it is? I'm disappointed in you Pain. Have faith man! I already have my S4 stored in the can. :guns:

[Lobo]

True, but this is from the testing that they did on the S4M that has yet to be posted to the site.

We have the reports. Any who wants a copy can send an email to me at [email protected] and I will send them to you.

email sent too :thumb:

Lobo

All I did was torture hundreds of innocent people, wipe out an entire
generation of Jedi, assist in destroying the rightful government in exchange
for a malevolent dictatorship, destroy a planet, torture my daughter that I
didn't even know existed, chop off my son's hand and I'm the bad guy.
--Darth Varder pet peeve

[panzermk2]

I will be putting it up on our website for down loading just like the hi speed vids.

[Prepper]

SAM = Surface-to-Air Missle
S4M = Save-my-Sorry-Self-&-Stuff Missle :laugh:

[Rapier1772]

Wouldn't that be 4SM?

S4M
Suck My Mini Missile Meathead

[Maher]

That report was great :thumb: One thing that really impressed me is how the SS195 performed. I haven't had a chance to order me some protecTOR rounds, so I've been packing the SS195s. Good to know that it still blows my 9mm out of the water

[fcorey]

This video pretty much says it all when it comes to effectiveness of EA 5.7 loads

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Opphm-17 ... dded#at=34" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[f3rr37]

This video pretty much says it all when it comes to effectiveness of EA 5.7 loads

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Opphm-17 ... dded#at=34" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Filmed by our very own, jgreenberg01.

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[FNForever]

I educate haters, but if they dont want to listen then i proceed to frustrate the hell out of them. Its really fun...trust me. Mine as well be a FN representative with as much defending ive done over the past month