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GONRA's RCBS "Small Base" die set with STP Oil Treatment or TriFlow Synthetic Grease case lube verks perfectly!
RIght back to factory dimensions.... Use a big heavy press too.....

FB (assume that's "Face Book"?) is just Too Risky for GONRA....
WAAAAAY above my "Social Skills" level.

GONRA loads 9mm and .45 ACP SMG ammo on my Dillon.
But one should carefully load ANY 5.7x28mm FN ammo on a SINGLE STAGE PRESS, CAREFULLY WEIGHING POWDER CHARGES, to avoid chambering issues and worse yet - KABOOMS!

GONRA has excellent luck screwing around with "subsonic loads" using a Very Thin Film of STP OIl Treatment on EA 07 brass handloads.
Get fingers slippery with STP Oil Treatment, rub loaded ammo cartridge cases - Blast Away!

GONRA’s FsN pistol. Gemtech suppressor, EA barrel heavier recoil spirng 9 yard shootin’ experiments with 10 rds. EA brass, 50 grain Hornady SP SX #2240 bullets, CCI #500 pistol primers. Started off with 4.5 grains HS-6 powder. Everything still functioning just fine. Still have “no keyholing”. Now do...

“Good ‘n Bad News” Info that may (or may not) be interesting to some of ya’ll: GONRA’s FN FiveSeven pistol, EA threaded barrel / recoil spring assembly, Gemtech suppressor, handloads using FN and EA brass, etc. >>> CCI #500 SMALL PISTOL primers, 55 gn. FMJBT bullets. <<< Modest 3.0 grain Bullseye po...

In GONRA's experience, its a Nice Idea to leave the Microscopic layer of Case Resizing Lube on the Resized Case / Finished (ready to shoot) Ammo to deal with these issues. ALSO - just didit for Brand New EA brass in my 5.7x28 mm FN FsN Pistol. Setup "STP Oil Treatment" (yer Favorite Case Lube will b...

In GONRA's experience, its a Nice Idea to leave the Microscopic layer of Case Resizing Lube on the Resized Case / Finished (ready to shoot) Ammo to deal with these issues. ALSO - just didit for Brand New EA brass in my 5.7x28 mm FN FsN Pistol. Setup "STP Oil Treatment" (yer Favorite Case Lube will b...

GONRA suggessts a Boberg .45 ACP. Watch for one and wam up yer checkbook!

GONRA's pretty sure you hava "Non Problem" here. (Sounds strangely familiar...)
Based on MY stupid takedown / reassembly / shootin' my Crummy Handload Adventures,
I'd say The FsN pistol is TOUGH!

GONRA wonders if anyone has restfired this new EA brass. (Found out - needs more than 3 shots!!!) Or heard of Grantness since 2016? >>> 2 great FiveSeveN mysteries.... <<< Please lemmeno, here or PM. (Finally figgered out how to deal with PM's. ( I think.) THANX!

GONRA is placing all my bets on www.mylabradar.com .
Have one but need LOTTSA shootin' / testin' experience
before reporting any results to you persnickety guys.
Initial crude tests (couple years ago) were Just Fine.

GONRA wonders - in the future, see if you can check yer MT's for Punctured Primers.
Those little blown out brass discs are where the firing pin channel debris comes from.
Maybe you have all the fired brass to date and can figger it out?
May even see a few of the little guys in yer pistol?

GONRA’s first shootin’ with suppressor. Following setup was a HUGE SUCCESS. 5.7x28mm FN Five-seveN® pistol 20 rd. mag, Viridian Universal Mount Green Laser. Sights / laser were setup / adjusted with FN’s original barrel. Try to beat this setup fellas..... Today used (first time) EA 20 lb. recoil spr...

GONRA received GEMTECH. About 10 months 3 weeks BATF wait tyme. Guesss I'm "Special"?
Hope to blast away next week. Have Fun Fellas.....

GONRA hadan RCBS Email exchange today (9mm Steyr dies) - got this sad RCBS reply:

"I am very sorry to inform you that we no longer offer Custom Dies.
The Custom Die department was closed in June,
and we can no longer make dies to specific dimensions, or to cases . "

GONRA sez geta RCBS SMALL BASE die set, RCBS #45 shell holder,
line it all up to any rotational "sweet spot" in yer particluar press,
(make it a Nice Robust Press, even it looks like "overkill"- to mantain headpace)
use STP Oil Treatment for a sizing lube.
All problems will go away....

GONRA's BRAND NEW Gander Mountain has been open for less than a year. Huge yellow "Going Out Of Business" banner went up 1-2 weeks ago. Decided I better visit it before it disappeared. Inside, noted "Temporary Help Wanted" sign. Wandered around, very well stocked, pistols, ammo, --- not many people....

GONRA' s "Bond Arms Bullpup" (Bond mfg 9mm Boberg) is in UPS transit now. (Fellow Fanatics call it a "9MM Bondbery") will arrive here (LGS) 06/05/2017. Plan to blast away with commercial Winchesrter White Box 9mm ammo first before testing my Prize Winning 9mm Handloads. My ORIGINAL BOBERG MFG 9mm an...

GONRA' s "Bond Arms Bullpup" (Bond mfg 9mm Boberg) is in UPS transit now. (Fellow Fanatics call it a "9MM Bondberg") will arrive here (LGS) 06/05/2017. Plan to blast away with commercial Winchester White Box 9mm ammo first before testing my Prize Winning 9mm Handloads. My ORIGINAL BOBERG MFG 9mm and...

Based on yer "7 month" info, GONRA's expecting Gemtech around May.
Interested in your handload! What brass & primer did you use?

Intention was to use the ORIGINAL EA brass - "drastically reduced case capacity"
but am accumlating data needed to blast away when it arrries.
THANX!

GONRA's experience is that you're best served to "resize 5.7 brass" on a large robust single stage press to get consistant headspace. Fired 5.7 cases can/will hava a "body bulge" that is really different from the usual reloading we all are used to. RCBS SMALL BASE dies verk great for me.

GONRA hopes its LOCKED BREECH!
Much safer for all you +P+ Red Blooded American Handloaders out there....

BadMrFrosty's using graphite from a powdering a No.2 pencil. GONRA sez - MAYBE its "Just Fine" but remember - "pencil powdered graphite" is NOT the commercially available "powdered graphite" product. "Pencil lead" is a graphite CLAY BINDER mix that compacted and further processed. CLAY don't sound g...

See Mon Aug 08, 2016 - GONRA's Class 3 LGS now actuallly HAS my Gemtech SFN-57.
Will send in the paperverk tomorrow.....
Stay Tuned....

GONRA sez - NOW we need EA's T6B boolits for reloading!
Are these gonna be available?

GONRA sez be SURE to use an EXTREMEY THIN lube coat.
Make sure it doesn't buildup in the neck of the chamber.
(Maybe it Just Won't Build Up of course.)

Greasing cartridges is a nice workaround for all sorts of military semiauto functioning problems.
But its another case of MORE is BAAAAAD!

GONRA's Class 3 LGS ordered a Gemtech SFN-57 several weeks ago - seemingly "No Problem"
but we all no "devil's in the details" on this stuff. Believe it when you have it in hand.
Stay Tuned....

GONRA is Olde and Paranoid - on weighing powder.

Setup my RCBS Chargemaster to tare on my "usual beam balance scale" Powder Pan.
Drop the Powder Charge.

Transfer Powder Pan back to my "usual beam balance scale" to double check weight.

You CANNOT SCREWUP on 5.7X28FN reloading.....

GONRA has trouble sorting out exatly WHAT his load was.
Can some one repeat it? THANX!

Great advice! GONRA is gonna shop around for a "soft neck collar" tomorrow.
Thank you very much!

GONRA needs a suggestion for a "neck brace". Gotta neck kink (probably NOT from lawn cutting) so need a "neck brace" during 30-40 minutes eXmark zero turn mowing on slightly bumpy terrain. (Noted ITA-MED Rigid Plastic Cervical Collar sold by Wal*Mart and others. Is THAT any good?) Thanx in advance!

Not sure wot the shell holder issue is, but RCBS #45 verked Just Fine for GONRA's EA 07 brass priming and loading. Traditional FN brass FIRED MT's weigh nominal 60 grains. New EA 07 brass FIRED MT's weigh nominal 75 grains. (Remember, these weights include the fired Boxer primer.) Advanced theoretic...

GONRA just loaded em up. Didn't measure anything - yet. (Using FN brass, my SMALL BASE RCBS dies resized exactly to Factory Sample cartridge diameter specs. Remember, use a MICROMETER for diameters, electronic caliper is OK for LENGTHS. So, will have to see wot happens with this brass.....) Hava Lab...

Great point.
GONRA sez everybody should state if their handloads use the traditional FN brass or the new EA 07 brass.

This morning GONRA fired 3 rounds with new 5.7X28 EA 07 brass in a 5.7x28mm FN Five-seveN® 20 shot pistol.. (Just some cautious high spot tests with this thicker case wall, smaller powder capacity brass.) 55 grain .224 inch diameter FMJBT military M193 bullet with cannelure 1.574 inch cartridge over...

Doubt if any of us can even imagine the “blood, sweat and tears” involved in EA’s brass development. Congratulations! Kiran04 sez: “I’m gonna try these with my usual loads and get back to you on how they shoot.” KABOOM!! GONRA bets EA will include a “reduced case capacity brass warning” note with br...

Redoing a 07/06/2013 post (topic: DHX bullets) GONRA's very pleased with these 2 Standard Loads for my FsN Pistol. (From what FN rifle owners seem say, these will be TOO HEAVY for the FN rifle.) Load to OAL same as factory ammo. Use Winchester Small Rifle Primers. 36 grain Barnes Varmint Grenade bul...

GONRA's wondering - wots the Latest News on EA's Brand New 5.7x28mm FN Brass project?
Put me down for 1000 rds. when its available....

Upon GONRA's prayerful reflection, here my COMPLETE LIST of brass / powder / bullet types along with reloading data goodies found on this website that I NEVER would have dug up myself, for great FiveSeveN PISTOL reloads: 36 grain Barnes Varmint Grenade bullets, True Blue Powder (6.3 grains MAX), 27 ...

NLVMike sez "Tell me more about "uniform headspace resizings"". GONRA means that the sized case headspace measures the same case-to-case. Pretty much need a Stiff Stalwart Press to accomplish this..... Your Lee Classic Cast Press 90998 is PERFECT. That's what I now use for all "scrap dealer military...

GONRA hopes your single stage press is a Nice Big One to get "uniform headsace resizngs". Then you can do all "necked case case prep" on that before you run 'em thru the Dillon. Suggest STP Oil Treatment (auto parts stores) or Tri-Flow Synthetic Grease (bike shops) for a case lube in such a single s...

GONRA is really anxious to purchase 1000 rds. of the EA brass when its available.
Is the "internal case volume" a little smaller than FN brass we're all used to?
If it is, will reduce my 2 Standard "True Blue" loads and verkup loading data for the New EA Brass.

Boberg pistols have been mentioned occasionally on this site. Bond Arms recently purchased Boberg Arms. (Am sure Bond is a fine outfit, but GONRA is really sad to see Boberg go....) Will be interesting to see exactly "what happens now", etc.... One way or another, am sure glad I the Bobergs while or...

panzermk2 sez: "It's a brilliant idea that amazingly was not though of until FNH did." GONRA sez: 9mm Parabellum caliber MAB Model R (1960's era) in my Reference Collection has the SAME spring loaded barrel mechanism. Technical note - waaaay back then, MAB made small batches (50's) of 9mm Parabellum...

GONRA reminds Sub Sonic folks to MAKE DAM SURE THE BULLET leaves the barrel in any blowback or modfied blowback action - or KABOOM! Suggest you let SOMEBODY ELSE develop the (reduced) load, MAYBE add .1 or .2 grain powder and blast away. Carefully weigh EVERY powder charge (for ALL 5.7x28 FN reloadi...

GONRA's NOT familar with tbe Forster Co-ax press or the unusual (to me)
"universal shell holders". BUT that's OBVIOUSLY yer problem!!!

GONRA suggests: Measure resized cases vs. factory ammo to see if the dies are copulated up. If THAT'S OK, check centerline alignment of your press / dies / shell holder. (Yeah its EASY TO SUGGEST but HOW DO YOU DOIT?) MAYBE you can see if coating comes off on one particular cartridge case side - pro...

GONRA sez: Good Luck - "only 6 left in stock".
True Blue IS the powder you wanna use though - if you can find it...

GONRA's not sure this applies for the small 5.7x28FN cartridge - but pretty sure it does - so here goes One Way or Another: Methinks you SHOULD be able to use the commercial INTERNAL wall thickness gauge / dial indicator gizmos to detect STRETCH RINGS / dangeous brass. Home made LARGER VERSIONS (bas...

Maybe GONRA missed it, but wonders the brand / type of primers you used.
Small Pistol? Small pistol MAGNUM? Small Rifle? Brand/nomenclature:

GONRA sez the lacquer coating is an IMPORTANT PART OF THE FN FiveSeven RETARDED BLOWBACK SYSTEM. Acts asa lube to allow cartridge case to slip out of the chamber under high pressure without blowing the case head off. Special super axially strong 5.7x28FN cartridge case, spring loaded barrel are the ...

GONRA has said this a zillion tymes - but my RCBS Small Base 5.7x28FN dies verked perfectly right out of the box. Used in heavy duty Hollywood Senior press, STP Oil Treatment case lube, RCBS shell holder. Sized right back to factory specs (miked along side a FN factory round) coating didn't come off...

GONRA has hada lottsa luck modifiying hardened shell holder inserts mounted in a 3 jaw lathe chucks, using a small grinding point in a tool post grinder. Tool post grinders do NOT have to be "pricey" for this application!!! This is NOT "tool & die" verk!!!!!! Get a plugin electric grinder from Harbo...

GONRA wonders if its OK to install a suppressor with some MolyKote MoS2 "G" grease
OR just MoS2 dry powder, on the threads, to make Can removal easy?
Or will Can come loose too often? Bet you guys have tried this.....

GONRA has always rejected / not loaded any bullets
that could NOT be assembled into 5.7x28FN ammo with Factory OAL.
Sofar, absolutly NO functioning / feeding problems.

From the Mother Country! WOW.
Anyway, GONRA sez you're a real good sport about this stuff....
Back to my Morning Tea.
Have Fun.

GONRA nitpicking:
Bazzer69 should attempt to edit his posts to replace "primer cases" by "primer cups".
Makes an easier read...

RCBS SMALL BASE dies verk Just Fine for GONRA.

GONRA suggests you Email Remington with the exact nomenclature and lot number, also a CONCISE STORY on it all. Fact that Remington's screwed up and Winchester's didn't should get their attention. (Hopefully you have some Remington's remaining to send back!) >>> Verk at it - a short punchy Email - FA...

OK - its the PRIMER CUP that leaks. GONRA suggests reviewing how / if you remove primer crimp. If this is screwed up, can leak and pit the pistol breech face. Swaging out the primer crimp (Dillon unit verks great!) is best. (Some on this site say its best to just leave the primer crimp "as is" but i...

GONRA's not sure wots going on here. Is your FIRED PRIMER CUP CRACKED? If so, check your FRESH, UNFIRED primers for cracked cups. Difficult to see, but you can with care... Or are you talkng about something else? Cracked cartridge case? ??? Best to use SMALL PISTOL MAGNUM or SMALL RIFLE primers. The...

GONRA thanx jmz5 for properly redirecting this post and others for great info!
Has anyone had experience with SimpliSafe products?

GONRA is struggling to better understand “what the story is” on Burgular Alarm Cell Phone Dialers. Is it true that on the “cell phone dialer” end, one has to (one way or another, in effect, etc.) “sign up” (pay monthly or yearly charges) for a cell phone service (AT&T, etc.) just as GONRA and Mrs. G...

See budman70's Fri Feb 13, 2015 5:47 pm post requestiing True Blue data.

budman70 - Reprinting GONRA's Sat. Jul 06, 2013 4:01 pm "DHX Bullets" post: GONRA's very pleased with these 2 standard loads for the FsN Pistol. (From what FN rifle owners seem say, these will be TOO HEAVY for the FN rifle.) Load to OAL same as factory ammo. Winchester Small Rifle Primers. 36 grain ...

GONRA HOPES you purchased this from a commercial distributor and not from "secondary sources".
Buying ammo, powder, primers from anyone but a commercial distributor
is taking a BIG chance on lousy (hot, humid) storage with attendant bad shootin'....
Let us no...

GONRA sez sometimes you can grab some TUNGSTEN CARBIDE SCRAP (cemented WC, not tungsten metal) and grind it with el cheapo Harbor Freight diamond wheel / diamond grinding points / electric die grinder to make small drills, mills, etc. on yer lathe. You stalwarts could probably make cemented WC BULLE...

GONRA likes the really olde bench mounted RCBS priming device that uses shell holders. Have touched it up a bit over the years. Which I could get a spare! The cheapo Lee reloading press can be modifed to a similar device that's dynamite for .50 BMG, 20mm Solothurn/Lahti (8mm Berdan) and 14.5mm Sovie...

GONRA shot 3.2, 3.3, 3.4 and 3.5 grains Modern Bullseye Powder with 55 grain .224 FMJBT FMJ bullet - military M193 with cannelure. 1.589 inch OAL. CCI 400 primers. 5.7x28mm FN pistol. 40 degres F. Perfect functioning. Primers Just Fine. Lateron got 4 lb. True Blue. Developed 2 "standard loads". Thes...

GONRA does what kmiles does, but measures case head projection with an electronic caliper
instead of eyeballing. "Head space reference" is a FN Factory Round.

ewetstone sez:
"Is swapping out the spring something I can do myself or should I send the barrel/spring assembly to EA?"

See GONRA's post under "Threshold for HD Spring" for the Offcial Joe Fumble Fingers Method.
It easy. You can do this after a 6 pack of beer.....

GONRA uses MolyKoat "G" MoS2 paste on all my "collector items".

GONRA's Widener's Saturday Morning Email hasit for $23.95 . Guess I' m "special". ???

GONRA hates to be a "wet blanket"
but developing a subsonic load for this modified blowback pistol
(bullet HAS to exit barrel - or KABOOM!) is best done by "someone else".

If you just haveto do it, remote test firing would be best,
then add a little more powder for your Official Load.

As usual, GONRA suggests trying STP Oil Treatment asa case lube. May have to rotate case holder to find a "sweet spot" - best axial alignment in your press. If THAT verks, then you know YOUR current case lube isn't OK for YOUR application. This lube, plus RCBS SMALL BASE dies verk Just Fine for me.....

GONRA's not trying to "be cute",
but suddenly wondered if SS has any ACCURIZING (EA, etc.) done on their 5.7x28mm FN pistols?
Or do they just carry 5.7x28FN SMG's?
Bet ya'll know all about this....
THANX!

varmitsnightmare sez: "... hope it makes it out the barrel."
GONRA sez: Bullet dam well BETTER get out of the barrel or KABOOM in our blowback firearms!
Don't go nuts on light loads. Let somebout ELSE develop them.

Whilst GONRA is a STP Oil Treatment "case lube promoter" remember that Tri-Flow synthetic grease (3 oz. tubes available in bike shops, maybe Auto Parts stores?) is really good too! Preferred lube for .50 BMG. 3 oz. tube does at least 1200 "scrap dealer case resizing preps". Tube makes it really easy...

GONRA sez be sure to rotate the shell holder to find any available
axial alignment / centering "sweet spot"
to (possibly) get rid of cartridge case coating scraping.
Hope the press was machined accurately, with a nice uniform "centerline".

GONRA's .45 ACP Boberg should/may be in the first batch of the couple dozen pictured on Boberg's Arms' website.
These will be shipped Monday July 14, 2014. We'll see.....

grimmond sez: "Use the wrong lube and it will remove sections of lacquer."
If you have the time, GONRA would sure like to see if Good Old STP Oil Treatment
verks out OK with your CH4D dies!

Looong ago: gjeto mentioned:
"and how about boberg system guns? "
GONRA's .45 ACP Boberg should be shipped in June, 2014.

GONRA sez - GREAT tracer shots! Wish I hada ton of that stuff to shooot! Am COMPLETELY UNFAMILAR with 5.7x28mm FN tracer ammo. Are these DELAYED trace or do they burn right out of the barrel? Would believe that DELAYED trace is only useful for shootin' in a rifle at "rifle ranges" and useless for us...

GONRA suggests trying "STP Oil Treatment" for an experimental case lube to help diagnose the problem.
Just a THIN coat on the entire case - this is an experiment!
If cases still stick - at least you know its NOT the lube".

GONRA got mine Thursday, 02/06/2014. Look great. In Blue/White boxes.

GONRA just ordered 20 rounders from Midwest Gun Works.

GONRA just successfully purchased primers from http://www.midwayusa.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; :
658672 WSR & 776634 CCI #400 for 5.7x28FN
316965 CCI #41 for 5.56x45 .
Better get 'em whilst ya can!

GONRA suggests skip57PS90 use RCBS SMALL BASE 5.7x28FN dies, STP Oil Treatment case lube, nice BIG press - sizing will be Just Fine. Be sure to uses Hornady .22 seater with the sliding sleeve for bullet seating. Suggest Small Rifle primers (NOT small rifle MAGNUM) and Tru Blue powder. Don't forget t...

GONRA sez Cabela's in Hamburg, PA has lottsa American Eagle on the shelf. $21.99 / box of 50.

GONRA appreciates kmiles comment "...have tried TB along with AA#5 and AA#7 and none of them will work in the dispenser without getting between the feed tube and the plastic housing jamming it up." NOW it makes sense! Thanks for the heads up! Am sure as the "powder grains get smaller" the "problem g...

GONRA wonders how an extremely fine grained "modern powder" like True Blue can clog up
ANY "rotating tube" measuring / dispenser! But kmiles said "it did" so "it did".
Any chance YOUR True Blue has been screwed up (thermal degradation) into clumps? ???
A true mystery!!!

GONRA uses the RCBS combo electronic unit with my BEAM SCALE pan. Then check the powder charge weight on trusty decades old BEAM SCALE. Few years ago sent RCBS electronic combo unit back, with $40 (as I recall) and its been pretty much Just Fine after that. Shop is heated / air conditioned . Also de...

On Friday, September 6 - GONRA forgot to mention to be sure to seek any "axial alignment sweet spot"
in your reloading die setup by (if possible) rotating shell holder for minimum (hopefully NO) plastic coating damage.

GONRA suggests trying STP Oil Treatment for a case lube.
Slather it on like you say you say you are doing. Maybe the plastic coating won't come off?
Never did for me. Cheep test in any event....

GONRA's friendly jab at panzermk2:
Looks like GONRA, kbohrer79 and Yelraek are batting 100% on RCBS (small base?) dies.

GONRA sez: After you get Refund, purchase SMALL BASE RCBS dies, etc. etc, etc.
as I've said many tymes before......

GONRA sez thanx for the info! Just what I sought! (Hope my amateur nomenclature below makes sense…..) Assume you mean cuts in bottom of the slide that are located just a little ahead of the front of the ejection port. At full slide recoil, these “slide bottom cut surfaces” seem to be stopped by the ...

GONRA's wondering if one of you Volume Shooters out there can comment on
"what / where to watch" for signs of beating up FsN pistol internals thru
repeated " hot load shootin' ".
Eyeballing internals - not clear to me where battering would start.
Bet ya'll know! THANX!

GONRA sez its Posts like Beecher Tool that make me stick to my trusty FsN PISTOL and not get any of 5.7x28FN RIFLES with seemingly endless problems, even though they would be great stuff to add to my Reference Collection. (Know some of your rifles are apparently GAS OPERATED LOCKED BREECH? Methinks ...