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Hornady is sending me 6 boxes of the Black as as well as the Critical Defense. I bought the 250 rounds for this testing from Patreon funds before I was able to get in contact with Hornady. They are using their own brass. The brass is on average 56gr vs the 60gr FN. It holds about 12.8gr of water vs...

Those look gnarly. What do they weigh and who makes them?

I have a question and I don't know where else to ask it. In my search for data to reload the 5.7x28 cartridge I read that only flat base bullets should be used. If everything is equal except the shape of the projectile base,why / how would use of a boat tail bullet create a problem? I'd imagine it'...

I put this n the other thread, but it's probably best to keep it to your thread so as to not run the other one off track: What firearms are you using these reloads in? You say you treat them almost like any other cartridge you load, does that include dry or wet tumbling, with or without media in the...

Question asked in the other thread

Sounds like it's a ground up design that incorporates the grip, FCG, and some other parts from the PSA Rock pistol, but is more than just a pistol in a chassis like the Flux Raider.

This was a pretty cool reveal from PSA at SHOT. Looks like it's still in concept/prototype phase, so I'm not holding my breath, but this would make a fun little gun for hunting steel.

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/202 ... w-concept/

panzermk2 wrote: ↑

25 Jan 2024, 08:50

Now I want an RPG lava lamp

Same, haha.

Here's your non-functioning RPG-7 for a start https://www.opforsolutions.com/rpg-7-replica.html

I've only used Rem 7.5 small rifle primers in FNH brass and had no issues with pierced or popped primers, FWIW.

I think any quality small rifle primer would meet your needs.

Welcome to reloading. Ref the failures to ignite. As you found out, that was likely from not having the primer seated all the way in the primer pocket. One way to see if you're not seating the primer deep enough is if all the failures to fire go off on the second attempt. This can mean the primer wa...

I would try the larger 5.56 suppressor first. I had mag popping issues while using the Gemtech SFN 57 can and subsonic handloads with fast powders. I've since moved to using a Saker 556K direct thread suppressor and while it is larger/heavier than a traditional .22lr/5.7 rated suppressor, the additi...

I have heard of a few making it over. When they turn up on GB though most often it's the airsoft nock off being sold as the real deal. I figured that last part might be the case. Anything electronic that cloners want, or can be faked for a huge profit, has been churned out of Chinese manufacturers.

Very cool bit of history.

Any idea if the IR laser modules for the P90 ever made it over here? Would be cool to add one to my PS90 if they're able to be installed after the fact.

I didn't realize they made an IR version of the laser module. Would love to get my hands on one.

I just looked at Hornady's website and they have both cartridges listed. https://www.hornady.com/ammunition/handgun/#!/ Looks like the Critical Defense/FTX ammo is using the same polymer tip technology as their Leverlution ammo and the Black ammo is using a 40gr V-MAX, both with 40gr projectile weig...

Cool, might be in for a can once I see a how to video or get some more info on do's and dont's

Very cool. I presume once it's available for sale you'll be posting a more in-depth video on when and how to apply the coating? Is this something that can be done to all cases, regardless of the state of the OEM coating, or is "too much of a good thing" a possibility? If the former, I could see hitt...

Order arrived yesterday without issue. Battle Hawk hasn't screwed me yet....

I've ordered from them twice now; June 30 when they had the 450rd 40gr FMJ packs for $230 and this past Friday when I posted the deal. The June order shipped quickly, and I got shipping info for the 10 Nov order less than 6hrs after placing the order with an ETA of Wednesday the 15th. UPS shows it's...

https://battlehawkarmory.com/product/fiocchi-5.7x28mm-40gr-fmj-150rd-3bx-cs-1?utm_source=ActiveCampaign&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Fast+Ship%F0%9F%92%A5Ammo%F0%9F%92%A5On+Sale+Now%21&utm_campaign=AMMO+SALE%21 Might pick up a few more cases at this price point. I bought 2x450rd cases at $230 earli...

Can you provide some load data you've been using along with any chrono data you've been able to compile? Would be interesting to see what kind of velocities you're getting with these powders so they can be compared to known 5.7 powders.

And I missed my premier drop since I was busy elsewhere............................ https://rumble.com/v36kh1l-elite-ammunition-s-and-w-m-and-p-57-in-depth-review.html Jay Nice video. Thanks for taking the time to produce it. Not sure if it's Rumble or just my computer at work, but it keeps freezin...

panzermk2 wrote: ↑

29 Jul 2023, 14:32

What was the temp?

Around 80F with high humidity.

Thanks. Yep, 100% they're FNH mags as they came with the rifle when I bought it. I'll try the Simple Green and dry graphite lube trick.

Collected some velocity data a couple days ago after getting the Fiocchi 40gr FMJ from Battle Hawk Armory the other week. 10rd groups except for the AE 40gr FMJ in the SBR’d PS90 which only had 7rds. Wasn’t planning to put it past the LabRadar, but I had a half full mag in the Rock and moved the oth...

The two FN mags I originally bought with my PS90 over a decade ago have started to have failures to feed with factory ammo and handloads. Specifically, they are failing to rotate rounds down into the feed position and are also not keeping tension on the rounds that do make it into the feed position....

panzermk2 wrote: ↑

25 Jul 2023, 06:17

They are here, Lisa is working on getting them out. She fell behind with the T6B drop we just had.

Sweet. Thanks

Jay

Any idea when the rails will be shipping? Looks like my order for the rail and QD mounts from the 12 June still hasn't shipped. I know the site says min 2 weeks, but I wasn't sure if there was an ETA for when they'll arrive in your hands.

Thanks

Putting the rail on top would be nice, but in its current form it would obscure the optic. The other option is to do a "gooseneck" type mount like the old carry handle M68 CCO mounts. It would require more machine time and material, but no added bulk.... This would place the laser "right side up" a...

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I went with EA's under barrel mount (don't have it in hand yet) as I wouldn't want the IR laser that close to the toasty can and, as Jay mentioned, you might run into clearance issues if you go to a bigger can and/or a thermal wrap. Any chance you could do a dogleg and put the pic slots on top? You'...

I've processed 150 pcs so far and with the Lyman dies they don't even need lubed.. Did you run them in with the die set to fully resize the case, or did you raise it up a bit to leave the shoulder and body alone? I don't need to reload any 5.7 at the moment, so I haven't messed with any of these ca...

I've processed 150 pcs so far and with the Lyman dies they don't even need lubed.. Did you run them in with the die set to fully resize the case, or did you raise it up a bit to leave the shoulder and body alone? I don't need to reload any 5.7 at the moment, so I haven't messed with any of these ca...

Never tumble primed brass, EVER Thought about that after I typed it. Getting media in the flash hole, or a clump of media in the case body, could lead to a bad day. I'll either do the "every X cases directly apply lube to the shoulder" thing you mentioned in your other post, or just leave them lube...

Sorry but yes, server traffic is so low, FB and other places killed forums (Funny though due to how sociol media giants work and their banning policies are breathing life back into forums) that we have a basic server host with limited memory. If traffic keeps increasing we will increase server band...

Brass arrived and some fit the EA gauge, but many have necks that have been expanded via the pulling process. Easiest way to solve this is just pull the decapping pin and run them through the sizing die with a light coat of lube before dry tumbling the lube off? That’s how I load primed .380 brass, ...

Taking a measure to from the lowest point of the TROS thread adapter to the bottom of the Saker 556K looks like 0.405”

I’m thinking this rail would work…

Does the site only accept web based photo links? I’ve got a pic for reference, but only on my phone.

Thanks for the info. Picked up a thousand to stash away.

I’ve never seen primed 5.7 brass for sale before. Anyone ever purchased and loaded using this?

https://americanreloading.com/7-x-28/3 ... 250ct.html

Thanks. I'll mount up the can and get some measurements this weekend to see if there'll be room.

They are in stock now, we had them just needed to sync website with what is on the shelf. https://eliteammunition.com/Elite-Ammunition-Quick-Disconnect-Black-Set-Front-and-Rear-p301164855 Thanks, Jay One quick question that came to mind before ordering. What's the distance between the muzzle and th...

panzermk2 wrote: ↑

25 May 2023, 12:46

Went live earlier.

https://eliteammunition.com/4-Slot ...

Thanks. Any ETA on the QD sling points coming back in stock? Was going to get both, but it looks like the QD sling points are OOS.

See here, https://rumble.com/v2q6ehu-lite-powder-charge.html Jay Your video sums up nicely what I've read elsewhere ref a small amount of fast powder in a large case causing issues. I brought up Bullseye as I wasn't sure how much volume would actually be left once a 62gr .224 projectile was seated ...

No NO and I mean NO. Using a small amount of fast powder behind a bullet technically to heavy for the 5.7 will NOT end well. Looks like the only projectile iFire tried Bullseye under was a 40gr VMAX. I've used his data as the foundation for my own load dev, so without iFire having tried a 55-62gr p...

I wonder if a small amount of a fast pistol powder like Bullseye wouldn't be better to put under a 62gr projectile in the little 5.7 case. In 2010, Brian Pearce published an article with lab tested loads using AA 5, AA 7, AA 9, True Blue, Universal, Power Pistol, and W-N105. Probably find it on a w...

Pretty neat little design. Was going to grab one real quick as that seems like a great place for a TLR-VIR II, but I don't see it on the website.

Link?

I've never used Trail Boss (TB) in 5.7 personally, but I seem to recall it being too bulky for the little case to generate anything close to useful velocity in testing others have done here. It's also a powder that cannot be compressed as it jacks the pressures up quickly. TB was designed to fill bi...

Odd. I wonder if the dims of the AAC brass are a little off compared to FN. I know they're first run of 5.7 was pretty anemic, and their initial rollout of their 77gr .223 had some QC issues, so it might be a case of the brass being a little off and the Lee die being a bit out of spec in the right d...

What lube did you use?

Has the Hornady die ever caused you issues with FN brass?

The suppressor alignment issue has been noted by a few people, to include baffle strikes. Wonder if this is coming from the fact that the can isn't threaded directly to the barrel, but to the frame/slide? I don't have one and haven't even put my hands on one, but I thought that slide/barrel interfac...

I get 4 firings off my brass before discarding. Once as new FN or AE ammo, and then three handload cycles. Once it's 3x fired, it gets used in the Rock and left on the ground. My plan is to basically use new, 1x, and 2x brass in the PS90 with a brass catcher and then only use 3x fired/discard brass ...

Interested to see your results. I've seen others tumble the coating off and claim successful operation of a PSA Rock, FiveseveN, and/or PS90 with the rounds, but they're usually small sample sizes of 5-10rds.

I hadn't really noticed that sound previously and don't notice it in ARs either unless I'm shooting suppressed 300BO with subs in an area with no backstop nearby.

I was able to get out this weekend and run the SBR'd PS90 with the tungsten rate reducer and stronger mag catch spring. All 25rds of my handloads fed, fired, and extracted fine from a full 50rd mag. I had to knockout some other tasks and only went through half of one mag, but I'm seeing no issues wi...

Go with lklawson's 3 turns out instead of my 2. Been a minute since I've set up my Lee seating die, haha.

Sounds like you have the die body screwed in too far and it's trying to seat and roll crimp at the same time. I can't recall 100% if the Lee 5.7 dies are designed to have the option set and crimp in one step, but I know other calibers can. This used to be in the instructions, but to negate the crimp...

panzermk2 wrote: ↑

01 Mar 2023, 12:29

Those clips are cheap insurance. Did you use the 3D printed tool?

I did. Made disassembly and reassembly a breeze. It's a well thought out little piece of plastic and I can't imagine trying to disassemble/reassemble without a second set of hands if it wasn't available.

Received all the parts on Friday and took less than 10min today to install the rate reducer and EA clips as well as the mag catch spring. I don’t think I messed up the spring retaining clips when I took them off the bolt guide rods, but figured $5 was cheap insurance and I saved the OEM ones along w...

I use homemade lanolin and isopropyl alcohol at a 1:10-1:12 ratio and have never stuck a 5.7 case in either a Lee die or an AZ Born resize/trim die. Also never seen it remove the factory coating. How did you clean your brass prior to sizing? What’s your lanolin to alcohol ratio and how much are you ...

Just submitted an order for the rate reducer, bolt disassembly jig, a set of snap rings (just in case), and the HD mag catch spring.

panzermk2 wrote: ↑

16 Feb 2023, 10:38

Their claim to fame is trying to rip off my/EA's T6B round.

Does it perform to the same level as far as velocity, expansion, and/or penetration? Can you patent a projectile?

Have a link to it? Never heard of these guys

Thanks for the update. Went back and watched your install video again and you note to not use the EA rate reducer and the HD springs, as the counteract each other. It begs the question, which one is better to use? I'm running an SBR'd PS90 with a Saker 556K can and handloaded 40gr ammo that's ~200f...

Thanks for the update. Went back and watched your install video again and you note to not use the EA rate reducer and the HD springs, as the counteract each other. It begs the question, which one is better to use? I'm running an SBR'd PS90 with a Saker 556K can and handloaded 40gr ammo that's ~200fp...

I was interested in picking up one of the tungsten rate reducers but it's OOS.

Any idea for an ETA on the next run?

The lack of a FA bolt is the only that kept from buying one of the AR57 uppers.

If they have been made available, I might look into a 10-12" upper again.

Seems you're on to some interesting load data, at least for the Ruger carbine. I wonder how these would do in an AR57 setup with the heavy 8.5oz buffer Toprudder is using for his load development. Regardless, I'd like to get Panzer's take on how these might operate in an SBR'd PS90 or any of the 5....

I was at a gun show today and was talking with one vendor about powders, he said that Power Pistol was one that has not been available for a while. I think Autocomp would be a good one to test, but that is one that I don’t have. If I try another powder, it will probably be AA#7, or LilGun. I have b...

Seems you're on to some interesting load data, at least for the Ruger carbine. I wonder how these would do in an AR57 setup with the heavy 8.5oz buffer Toprudder is using for his load development. Regardless, I'd like to get Panzer's take on how these might operate in an SBR'd PS90 or any of the 5.7...

Those Power Pistol loads look zippy! Please keep us updated on what a larger dataset gives you. I’ve been thinking about buying a new powder for 5.7, as I’m almost out of Auto-Comp, and had been leaning towards True Blue, but if the PP gives you speeds like that without overpressure that’d be amazing.

I'll second the CED chrono sucking for 5.7. I did a number of strings were 2-3 out of 15rds would be picked up.

My LabRadar was the best investment I made for shooting/reloading after a quality bipod. Panzer, have you used an LR with 5.7? Never had an issue with mine.

My one hold up with tweaking the BA for each charge weight would be, in my experience, 5.7 usually generates a fairly large (60+ fps for 10rds) extreme spread compared to something like .223, 6.5x47L, or even 338LM. If you're only using one round at each charge weight, and then tweaking the BA to ge...

Thanks. Might pick up 500 next time I see an alert that they're on sale at the usual places.

40gr Vmax is no joke when loaded to full power. EA used it in the Protector 1 for years until I replaced it with a better, more modern designed Nosler Varmageddon . The 40V-max can easily rip through a lvl2 vest and do massive damage. https://youtu.be/g0RC4_8Nt60 https://youtu.be/2idqn7FM2bo Thanks...

What would be the best self defense projectile for a handloader to use in a 5.7 pistol or SBR’d PS90? More of a hypothetical than actually planning to carry my PSA Rock or setup the SBR’d PS90 as the HD long gun, but it’s always interesting to see what others think. I’ve only loaded 40gr VMAX for pl...

Toprudder wrote: ↑

22 Dec 2022, 10:38

towerofpower93 wrote: ↑

22 Dec 2022, 04:07

Is this with a 16" barrel?

Yes.

Thanks. Just want to keep that in mind looking at your load data and velocity data.

Is this with a 16" barrel?

That sounds like a great load. Moving at speed and with a low ES to boot.

I'd be interested to see what your ES/SD look like when you do a larger 1-20rd group past the chrono.

I think it might be time to pick up some True Blue as you and others using it seem to get good results.

The real solution is to start loading on a 550 or 650

If loading in lots of 50 using a tray, I do the same post-powder inspection with a flashlight. Obviously not a fine-tuned measuring device, but the Mk 1 eyeball is good enough to detect a massive difference in the height of the powder in a brass case like one would get with a double charge of a dens...

Yep, going to adjust the sizing die next time I do a run on the 650.

I used my PS90 barrel as the gauge as it was my only 5.7 firearm at that point.

Got the Rock out again yesterday. Still failing to eject and/or reset the striker on the first round in a cold gun when loaded 23+1. This was with handloads and AE FMJ.

I've contacted PSA to get it back to them for a once over.

1x fired FNH brass Winchester Auto Comp 5.4gr Rem 7.5 SRP Hornady 40gr VMAX OAL 1.585" They are tight in an EA gauge, which makes me want to resize some of my other 1x fired brass a bit more and try again. The fact that I've also had issues with the factory AE FMJ loads previously makes me wonder if...

Got the Rock back out yesterday to see if the handloads would cycle. I did another 23+1 setup and the first round failed to eject with the slide barely moving. The next 2-3rds barely cycled with me having to eject the fired cases. I then had a few that ejected the case 10-15ft to the 4oclock, but ap...

My X300 and RMR wearing Rock fits my Safariland 6395 RDS ALS designed for an RMR and X300 wearing Glock 17. In a large Rock thread on ARF a number of people have said their Glock 17 holsters are working with the Rock, but it's obviously going to be a case by case basis. Ref them releasing a "better"...

Sounds like you didn't bump the shoulder back far enough, leading to the round not fully chambering. The failure to fire is a good thing as you may have been slightly out of battery. The one that you cycled a bunch of times before it fired may have been just a bit too long, and the repeated cycling ...

I've been more focused on function over accuracy at this point, so I haven't been paying too much attention to group size or making sure my form is 100% dialed in when shooting on paper.

Got a chance to run 50rds of Federal 40gr FMJ through two 23+1 runs and 2 random rounds. The pistol had been cleaned and lubed and I was shooting unsuppressed with the RMR on it. Round 1 failed to eject like my handloads. After manually cycling the action the other 23 rounds fired and ejected fine w...

The angle of the case taper. Another die maker did the same thing. Not noticed as much on the pistol but in the P90/PS90 the tapper causes the rounds to jam in the mag. Interesting. I haven’t fired factory ammo in years, but have had a few instances of the P90 mags being sluggish and not feeding ro...

Saw your Lee crimp die posts. It was less than a 1/4 turn from nice crimp to cutting brass. Far more delicate than any other Lee FCDs I use for straight wall pistol or bottle necked rounds. Hoping the crimp will bring down my ES/SD, but we’ll see. What changes were made to the Lee dies? I got my siz...

No factory ammo at the moment. Lee dies. I only go 2x fired on FN brass in the PS90 and pitch it after the third firing. Thinking I’ll do virgin firing and 1st and 2nd reloading cycle in the PS90 then treat the third reload cycle as ROCK only brass that’s left/not picked up, unless others have found...

I sold my MK 1 FiveseveN back in 2014 when I wasn’t much of a pistol shooter and started regretting it almost immediately. I didn’t miss it so much as to want to pay for a MK 2 or 3 FiveseveN and the Ruger didn’t rustle my jimmies. When I saw the threaded and optics cut ROCK available for $600 thoug...

That can is designed for 5.7 and should NOT be giving you any issues. 1) Might want to look at your stock's failure points. See here https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLu1oX3TpCFA3xZMmN82_BpFRIQ_WNBcRw 2) Verify barrel was installed correctly and that you have correct amount of barrel free play/Mov...

My attempts at using 55gr Hornady FMJBT projectiles for subsonic giggles in an SBR’d PS90 with a High Desert Dog barrel. Of note, once I put a Gemtech SFN57 can on the end the mag would pop out of the catch at least once every 10rds. Never tried to add weight to the bolt or a suppressor with more vo...

My question is going to be more oriented to shooting a suppressed and SBR'd PS90, but handlods were used as well so may a son well put it here. BL: was out testing a couple new mags yesterday and got my first neck separation at round ~90. Here's the load data: 1 x fired brass resized to freefall out...

I'll throw my hat in the ring for a shellplate as well.

Just got a 650 and would rather not keep the 550B around just to resize and prime 5.7 brass.

I too noticed a significant drop in POI when I attached my re-cored SFN-57 to my SBR'd PS90. While the re-core job only added a few ounces to the can, I think the fact that the barrel is not totally locked down onto the frame allows it to drop a substantial amount compared to other rifles when a sup...

I have the trim pro 1 and the 3 way cutting head with a 1/2 drill attached. It works well but it's slower. The EZ trim is surprisingly fast and leaves a nice finish cut. The EZ trim is a little hard on the fingers after a couple hundred rounds but I think a good leather glove would solve that. The ...

The size of the 5.7 case makes me like the Trim Pro 2. I use my Girraud for 300BO and when doing the first cut after rough cutting and forming 300BO from .223 is tough on the hands holding those short cases.

I imagine the 5.7 would have the same issues with the WFT or EZ Trim It.

I ordered one of these trimmers and dies (two come with it) for 5.56, 308, and 300BLK. I contacted Troy at their shop and they made a 5.7 die for me for about 30 bucks. Works really well. He did say he would have to have them made to order as they are not a regular stock item (yet). http://www.eztr...