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 Post subject: 308 AR Style Rifle - POF or SIG?
PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 7:08 am 
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I am in my research phase of purchasing a 308 AR style rifle. I have had an 18" barrelled SIG 716 Precision on pre-order for well over a year (might even be two years) and that has obviously not panned out. SIG is still not shipping those.

I have been looking at 16" barrelled rifles now. I like the Patriot Ordnance Factory (POF) rifle best when looking at the specs, but I remember Jay saying they sucked. I can't really find anything negative about them in articles, etc.

The other rifle I was looking at was the SIG 716 Patrol. It is almost a pound heavier than the POF.

I have handled both in the stores, and like the fit/finish and weight of the POF better.

What experience do you all have with these rifles? What advice do you have?

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 9:49 am 
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POF was cheap junk.

How patient are you? One of the best AR's to come done the pipline for decades is the Ruger AR. Great price point for a great fully loaded rifle.

Well Ruger is coming out with a .308 version.

I would go with the Ruger.



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Comes with Magpul mags.

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If/when the excitement calms down over the Ruger and the price drops to maybe the $1,800 range, I will probably pick one up. Add a Timney trigger and, boom, awesome rifle!!!



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 11:06 am 
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I can get the Ruger for under $1,700. I will check them out.

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So you think the Ruger would be better than the SIG 716 Patrol rifle?

The place that had the Ruger for $1,695 is now sold out.

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So you think the Ruger would be better than the SIG 716 Patrol rifle?

The place that had the Ruger for $1,695 is now sold out.

Mike



I have not put both through their paces but I just like the options and now Ruger executed them.

The Sig weighs 9.3 and the Ruger 8.2.

The Sig has all the rails permanently attached as fare as I can tell where as the Ruger they can be removed saving more weight.

Plus the Ruger hand guard extends over the gas block.

Somebody got a great deal.



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 3:04 pm 
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Well, I did it. I bought the Ruger for $1,627 shipped.

If you guys want one at that price, here is the link:

Ruger SR762 308 16 BLK 20R

I guess I can quit researching this purchase now. :D

And... it was the cheapest choice, which will make my wife happy.

Thanks for your input.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 6:12 pm 
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Ruger vs SIG vs POF, I would have gotten the Ruger.

From my experience.



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 7:26 am 
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They dropped the price to $1,575, but are now sold out. Cool thing is that they give you a 30 day low price guarantee, so I will get a refund of the $52.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 9:12 am 
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Picked up the Ruger SR-762 yesterday. My initial impression is very positive. Once I gather all the parts to mount my scope and get it on, I will put in some range time and report back. I also have a Geissele SSA-E trigger and a Smith Vortex flash hider (with lugs for a can) to install on it.

Pics will come soon as well.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 9:48 pm 
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So I put the Geissele SSA-E trigger in my new Ruger SR-762, and I put a Noveske QD swivel end plate on, and I moved to the Smith Vortex flash hider.

How the heck do you get the Ruger flash hider off? It does not have any flats for a wrench. The front has a shape like an AR-15 bolt face inside. Is there some special wrench for this?

By the way, I had to remove the pistol grip and remove the selector lever to install the trigger on this rifle. Is that typical of AR-10 variants?

I will also say that the collapsible stock that comes on this rifle is very cheap feeling. It is sloppy on the extension tube. It does have a nice Ruger logo on it, so I did find one positive. I ordered a Magpul ACS for it. That will be a big improvement.

I had some trouble finding a mounting solution for the Nikon M-308 scope I bought for it. The Samson BUIS that come on the rifle are nice pieces, but the rear aperture sticks up even when the sight is folded down. I needed to find a mount that held the scope centerline 1.625" above the rail. I ended up buying a Larue quick release 5/8" riser and some Brownell 1" tall picatinny rings. The two together get the scope above my rear sight.

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I got it. A T60 Torx bit took it off. Now I have the Smith Vortex on there. I put it on with high-temp red Loctite, then I decided it wasn't lined up perfectly and tried to loosen it. I bent my wrench. I guess it's close enough :)

Itchin' to try it out now. Hey, I need to sight in the BUIS... right?

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I got it. A T60 Torx bit took it off. Now I have the Smith Vortex on there. I put it on with high-temp red Loctite, then I decided it wasn't lined up perfectly and tried to loosen it. I bent my wrench. I guess it's close enough :)

Itchin' to try it out now. Hey, I need to sight in the BUIS... right?

Mike



You used RED?!?!?!?!?!?!? Never use red if you even want to remove something again.



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 Post subject: Re: 308 AR Style Rifle - POF or SIG?
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panzermk2 wrote:
You used RED?!?!?!?!?!?!? Never use red if you even want to remove something again.

The instructions wanted me to use ROCKSETT, which is some aerospace strength superglue stuff. I compromised by using the high-temp red. I figured it would be easier to remove if I ever wanted to. I would just heat the joint up with a heat gun or propane torch.

The flash hider has lugs for my can. They don't want it coming loose under sustained fire I guess.

I think Benelli uses the equivalent of red Loctite on their magazine tubes for their M4 shotguns. I had to get mine pretty toasty with a heat gun to break it loose. It can be done though.

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