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 Post subject: Re: American Eagle 40gr 5.7x28mm FMJ :)
PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 8:45 am 
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Now MF,

you should share with us, what you got in said care package :)



I have to receive it first!


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 Post subject: Re: American Eagle 40gr 5.7x28mm FMJ :)
PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 9:25 am 
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cheap, no. available, good luck :( I bought one case from HK specialist and they had 4 cases.

If someone really wants some, I'm not oppossed to offers for a few rounds or something


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 Post subject: Re: American Eagle 40gr 5.7x28mm FMJ :)
PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 12:36 pm 
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Esteves wrote:
Shades of SS196 all over again. Five percent less velocity and 10 percent less energy than SS197



SS196 is still almost 100 fps slower than this.

I overpaid for it, but considering SS197SR is like $25/box right now, $24.xx/box for this will do as plinking ammo. I'd really like to see this hit the projected $18.99/box or less, and find it at WM or something in the future.



What info do you have on the $18.99/box price? Is that an MSRP or something I can confirm with Federal?


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 Post subject: Re: American Eagle 40gr 5.7x28mm FMJ :)
PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:10 pm 
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It's so exciting that we have a new 5.7 ammo manufacturer. It's even more exciting that they are using a new bullet instead of just copying what is already out there. They actually designed a whole new round. There's a reason that FNH doesn't sell a 5.7 FMJ round to the public. Expect these down in Mexico in short order. :(

These will out penetrate SS195 (blue) and SS197 in respect to body armor. Am I correct?


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 Post subject: Re: American Eagle 40gr 5.7x28mm FMJ :)
PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 2:46 pm 
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Mister Freeze wrote:
Buffman wrote:
Esteves wrote:
Shades of SS196 all over again. Five percent less velocity and 10 percent less energy than SS197



SS196 is still almost 100 fps slower than this.

I overpaid for it, but considering SS197SR is like $25/box right now, $24.xx/box for this will do as plinking ammo. I'd really like to see this hit the projected $18.99/box or less, and find it at WM or something in the future.



What info do you have on the $18.99/box price? Is that an MSRP or something I can confirm with Federal?


That was what was tossed around on a few of the websites that had it in their inventory, but not in stock. No clue if that's MSRP, or what


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 Post subject: Re: American Eagle 40gr 5.7x28mm FMJ :)
PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 2:47 pm 
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It's so exciting that we have a new 5.7 ammo manufacturer. It's even more exciting that they are using a new bullet instead of just copying what is already out there. They actually designed a whole new round. There's a reason that FNH doesn't sell a 5.7 FMJ round to the public. Expect these down in Mexico in short order. :(

These will out penetrate SS195 (blue) and SS197 in respect to body armor. Am I correct?


I will test SS197SR again and see if it will do a level II. Level II was no match for SS195LF either, but I'd have to test it against level IIIA to see if AE TMJ out penetrated it.


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 Post subject: Re: American Eagle 40gr 5.7x28mm FMJ :)
PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:59 pm 
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ShockedNKansas wrote:
It's so exciting that we have a new 5.7 ammo manufacturer.

Federal makes ss197


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 Post subject: Re: American Eagle 40gr 5.7x28mm FMJ :)
PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 5:50 pm 
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srt-4_jon wrote:
ShockedNKansas wrote:
It's so exciting that we have a new 5.7 ammo manufacturer.

Federal makes ss197


fiochhi does, federal distributes it


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 Post subject: Re: American Eagle 40gr 5.7x28mm FMJ :)
PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:16 am 
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I'd like to see another manufacturer making 27-35 grain loads with a spitzer boat-tail profile. Even with lower BC's, 27 grain bullets can be safely launched as velocities that allow "battle sight zero" out to 125 yards. Retained KE is less than a nice 40 grain spitzer, but the trajectory is still flatter.


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 Post subject: Re: American Eagle 40gr 5.7x28mm FMJ :)
PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 1:52 pm 
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That was fast!

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 Post subject: Re: American Eagle 40gr 5.7x28mm FMJ :)
PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:48 pm 
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Freeze, that's not bad at all considering all you did was make somebody look silly! But seriously, it is nice to know that some of the big dogs still care about their customers. Now, if only they had sent you some of this mysterious 5.7x28 ammo!

BTW thanks for doing all this testing Buffman! I definitely can't wait til (fingers crossed, knock on wood and all that) this stuff is widely available.

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 Post subject: Re: American Eagle 40gr 5.7x28mm FMJ :)
PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 6:00 pm 
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the catalog they sent is junk: 2012. The 2013 is supposed to list the 5.7x28. Their ballistic data would be nice to compare with real-world results.


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 Post subject: Re: American Eagle 40gr 5.7x28mm FMJ :)
PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 12:36 pm 
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ShockedNKansas wrote:
It's so exciting that we have a new 5.7 ammo manufacturer. It's even more exciting that they are using a new bullet instead of just copying what is already out there. They actually designed a whole new round. There's a reason that FNH doesn't sell a 5.7 FMJ round to the public. Expect these down in Mexico in short order. :(

These will out penetrate SS195 (blue) and SS197 in respect to body armor. Am I correct?



SS197 only made it through 9 layers...


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 Post subject: Re: American Eagle 40gr 5.7x28mm FMJ :)
PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 6:23 am 
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so anything new with these? probably won't see them for several months


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 Post subject: Re: American Eagle 40gr 5.7x28mm FMJ :)
PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 6:38 am 
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Federal does have a run planned for late September


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 Post subject: Re: American Eagle 40gr 5.7x28mm FMJ :)
PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 8:11 am 
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Mister Freeze wrote:
Federal does have a run planned for late September


Hopefully that means we will see it at stores (non inflated) couple months after that.


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 Post subject: Re: American Eagle 40gr 5.7x28mm FMJ :)
PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 4:46 pm 
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panzermk2 wrote:
28gr FNH next to it.



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Jay,

I don't know why I didn't notice this before. It's obvious from your photos that the AE round is quite a bit shorter than the 28gr FNH round. I though the AE round was taller. As short as it is, there isn't much different from the V-Max is there? In fact, the V-Max might be more reliable when it comes to expansion. This bullet looks like it's going to be one hell of a penetrator, but perhaps behave more like like an ice pick? What do you think?


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 Post subject: Re: American Eagle 40gr 5.7x28mm FMJ :)
PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 4:55 pm 
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Buffmeister, if I may be so bold, I think we need an American Eagle pork shoulder test. We need to see what this biotch does in human simulant. :cya: :D


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 Post subject: Re: American Eagle 40gr 5.7x28mm FMJ :)
PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 5:04 pm 
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LOL. I did shoot it into water, and from shooting the SS197SR into water, it pertty much acts like an FMJ and didn't expand.. ALthought that's just water, and we know from Jeff's gel tests, SS197SR will expand and fragment..

I could do another piggy test soon. It's been a month. Although I'm not sure what kind of damage it will do unless it hits something hard and expands, but we can see.


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 Post subject: Re: American Eagle 40gr 5.7x28mm FMJ :)
PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:29 pm 
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Buffman wrote:
LOL. I did shoot it into water, and from shooting the SS197SR into water, it pertty much acts like an FMJ and didn't expand.. ALthought that's just water, and we know from Jeff's gel tests, SS197SR will expand and fragment..

I could do another piggy test soon. It's been a month. Although I'm not sure what kind of damage it will do unless it hits something hard and expands, but we can see.


Hmmm, I forgot you did the water test on the AE. Water should cause a frangible projectile to over expand. Thus, if it didn't expand in water, it sure as heck ain't expanding in pig, unless like you said, it hits bone. It looks like we might have another PenetraTOR round eh? I guess I got a little over excited about this round because for some reason I thought it was a tumbler.


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