Ryan Herle aka Medula Oblongata

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Ryan Herle aka Medula Oblongata

Post by Wollychop » 19 Sep 2009, 09:18

This is posted in order to control rumor, dispel untruths and uphold the owner's intent of running an honest forum.

Bottom line up front.

Ryan J Herle, who went by the moniker "Medula Oblongata", misrepresented himself for years on this forum. He lied repeatedly about topics ranging from his birthday to his military service. He fabricated a history for himself, creating a persona older and more qualified than he actually was, while at the same time attacking others for doing the same. A "Critical mass" of conflicting lies was reached and it finally drove some to dig a little deeper. When this came to the attention of the forum staff, the long history of Ryan on the forum and his relationships with users and staff members meant that doubt existed that he could have just "made it all up." However, great pains were taken to verify his background and, unfortunately, it was instead confirmed through a variety of independent sources and background checks that he did, in fact, fabricate most of his claims regarding professional qualifications and history, to include military exploits and rank. A few of his claims which have been proven to be fraudulent are the following:

18 year Army Career
Rank of CW3
Medical retirement as CW3
Numerous awards and decorations he falsely claimed (combat jump wings, ranger tab, sapper tab, etc)
ATF Agent
Service in Gulf War
Service in GWOT
His age (he claimed to have been born in 1970 -- in actuality he was born in 1976 and graduated HS in 1994)
Professional Education: Ph.D. in Electrical Engineering
Commercial Pilot's License

He also created alternate user IDs and started arguments with himself, in order to make his position appear stronger. Often, "trolls" with which he dealt were his own creations.

Sadly, the only place where he appears to have been honest was on classmates.com, where he described himself as graduating from his HS in 1994, serving a few years in the military and becoming a police officer following his ETS prior to 2000.

Ryan Herle now claims that this is due to psychological problems and that he is being treated for mental illness. Whatever the truth, the forum staff, once it came to light, could not allow him to further create falsehoods. This would be damaging to the forum itself.

Elite Ammunition took whatever steps they felt appropriate, and decisions by the company as a whole were made solely by the owners.

This is being posted due to the fact that Mr. Herle has contacted members of the forum and begun making claims about threats against his life, financial claims, etc.

If this is due to mental problems we sincerely hope Ryan will get the help he needs, however his destructive behavior could not be allowed to continue. It was the hope of the staff that he be allowed to leave without severe disruption of the forum, however his attempts to undermine EA and the forum have made the posting of this information necessary.

Rest assured that weeks were spent, along with a good deal of personal money by members of the staff, to absolutely verify that he did, in fact, lie about these things. The staff would never have taken action without 100% certainty.

As an example, here is Ryan's classmate's page which he took down immediately after being presented with it.

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This interaction took place in a restricted area of the forum. Ryan was presented with the facts as the staff found them. His reaction was to delete the thread and his own threads and posts en masse. It is released at the request of EA.
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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all forum members are created equal, that they are endowed by their Forum Staff with certain unalienable right of freedom of speech. That to secure this right, Forum Staff are instituted among members, deriving their just powers from the consent of the owners. That whenever any member becomes destructive and deceitful to these ends, it is the right of the Forum Staff to banish them. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that forums long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that Forums are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by banishing members to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of destruction and deceit, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such member, and to provide new guards for their future security. --Such has been the patient sufferance of this forum; and such is now the necessity, which constrains them to alter their member list. The history of the present Medula Oblongata is a history of repeated destructions and deceits, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over this forum. To prove this, let facts be submitted to a candid forum.

Deceptions & Falsehoods

First:

He claims to have been born in 1970.

The Facts:

Background checks and other sources confirm that he was born in 1976.

Conclusion: A false DOB serves as the foundation for a largely fictitious personal history.

Second

He claims: To have received a CHSPE (California High School Proficiency Examination) diploma.

The facts: He actually graduated HS in 1994.
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Contradictions and falsehoods: This affects the entire timeline for his career which he used in order to attempt to garner authority in any discussion or to bring legitimacy to his point of view. Graduating in 1994, he could not have participated in any military operation prior to that time, such as Desert Storm, during which time he has repeatedly claimed to serve. He stated on Classmates.com that he "Served several years in the mid-90s." This is most likely the truth.

Conclusion: He has deliberately lied and created a false identity based upon this fabricated date.

Third

He claims: That DMV altered his DOB on his driver’s license, thereby altering all other records.

The facts: DMV requires at least two (2) forms of identification with one (1) being a birth certificate. Once this information is entered into the system, it is not changed. To alter this information is a class C felony in most states.

Contradictions and Falsehoods: This information is not ‘linked’ to other system so it does not change his date of birth in other federal, state or local records. As a Law Enforcement Officer, he would know this. Also, as anal as he has shown himself to be on the forums with members, it would be shocking had he not immediately, upon issuance of an erroneous operator’s license, returned with his birth certificate and demanded that it be corrected.

Conclusion: He has deliberately lied about his age to facilitate a longer period of time to be in the military. This allows for a more ‘colorful’ military background to impress others.

Fourth

He claims: To have retired as a Chief Warrant Officer 3. He has signed, at least once, "CWO-3 (Ret)".

The Facts: Chief Warrant Officer 3 would actually be written "CW3". While a minor detail, it does raise doubts.

Conclusion: misuse of rank shows possible unfamiliarity and likely fraud.

Fifth

He claims: The following career MOS and training: 911A (nuclear weapons technician), EOD certification, Heavy Demo Master, Qualified Paratrooper/Air Assault Trooper, Qualified RANGER, Combat Engineer, and SAPPER.

The Facts: Many of these are considered a career in and of themselves and require many years, if not a lifetime to master. Most soldiers wait years just to attend one of these schools. Air Assault (a ten day course) and Airborne (~ three weeks) are not really hard to attend and don't mark you for a job. They are however expected of personnel assigned to certain units. Ranger, however, is tough to get, and most wait many years for their shot. But then again so is EOD. Sapper is an interesting school for Engineer MOS personnel. It's very tough, however, one of the interesting things about it is that even if you FAIL to achieve a standard at some point in the training to earn the tab, you are still allowed to complete the training for the experience value.

He claims Engineer as his branch (though he also had the ordnance insignia on his togetherweserved page). This would be a branch qualifying school he would have attended as a WO1 and/or the specific AIT he would have attended as an enlisted man. He talks about serving at Fort Leonard Wood, which IS the training center for Engineers, as well as MPs and Chem.

911A "Nuclear Weapons Technician" is a Vietnam-era MOS.

He has claimed 3 years worth of vertical stripes on his togetherweserved profile as well as 18 years worth of service stripes and a combat jump. Very few units in the last decades have earned the right for their paratroopers to wear combat jump wings, particularly the 173rd Airborne and 75th Ranger Regiment.

Conclusion: Considering his true age, and the amount of time available for him to have been in the military, it is highly unlikely for him to have been able to qualify for, much likely attend the above-mentioned training.

Sixth

He claims: Quote: “The only thick file on me was my disciplinary file.”

The Facts: As a warrant he would have been "blocked" on his OERs by his Senior Rater (who for a warrant in a ground unit would most likely be an O5 or O6) Meaning given Above Center Mass, Center Mass, and Below Center Mass ratings along with "Best Qualified, Fully Qualified, Do Not Promote, and 'other'". In addition, the officer is rated in the formation (i.e. #4 of 7 I rate in this grade). To top it off, at the top of the OER is the rater's recommendation, which is "Outstanding Performance, Must Promote" "Satisfactory Performance, Promote" or "Unsatisfactory Performance, Do Not Promote". The lone wolf, rogue shooter, bad boy bullshit doesn’t do it. It only works in Hollywood. Maybe an Artos will buy that story. Run it by any real operator or someone who spent any real time in the military outside of an office or off of a barstool and see if they’ll buy it, because we don’t. He would never -- NEVER -- have been picked up for WOCS (Warrant Officer Candidate School) if he had disciplinary issues -- ESPECIALLY during the late 80s and 90s. Even now the selection rate is about 30%.

Conclusion: Pure Bullshit. Or maybe it’s all true and he never made rank. Maybe that’s why he made up the retired Chief Warrant Officer crap?

Seventh

He claims: To have been employed with BATFE.

The Facts: According to BATFE personnel officers, nobody by the name of Ryan Joseph Herle with either DOB in 1970 OR 1976, has ever been in employ by their Department.

Contradictions and Falsehoods: This affects the stories of how you first began interest in reloading the 5.7X28MM round. Although there is no denying your proficiency or knowledge in reloading this round, it does, in fact bring into question any all following LE claims. Federal Law Enforcement, at any level is not something one easily gets into nor do they get into it quickly. Nor is it something someone simply walks away from without good reason.

Conclusion: You have deliberately lied and created a false background in order to give yourself more credibility than deserved.

Eighth

He claims: To have been an AZ State Trooper

The Facts: Unable to verify. However, he was nervous and did not want fatherfoof to mention to the FOP that he was once an AZ State Trooper, although he would not say why.

Contradictions and Falsehoods: Most State Trooper programs are not easy to get into and involve a long waiting period, a long training period and are not usually something that somebody tries for a short time, then quits. Although it is ‘possible’ that he was one, we find it HIGHLY unlikely.

Conclusion: Unable to verify but find unlikely.

Ninth

He claims: To have attended the Cordon Bleu Academy

The Facts: The Cordon Bleu Academy has schools scattered all across the nation, including schools in California and Arizona, two states in which he has lived.

Contradictions and Falsehoods: Although it is possible that he attended the academy, as they have ‘certificate’ programs, there is no way that he could have graduated with a degree from any of those schools. The degree programs are too stringent, however, the ‘certificate’ programs are designed primarily for those who want to pay for the honor of being able to say they’ve attended the school.

Conclusion: Possible. Unlikely, but possible.

Tenth

He claims: To hold a PhD in Electrical Engineering.

The facts: On another forum, he claimed to hold a DD, (Divinity). On our forum, he claimed a PhD in Electrical Engineering. A PhD can be ‘purchased’ from the internet for approximately $250 based on ‘life experiences’, but is not earned through an accredited university.

Contradictions and Falsehoods: Which is it? DD or PhD? Divinity or Electrical Engineering?

Conclusion: He can’t even keep his lies straight.


The list of stories that have been debunked stretches for as long as he’s been on the forums and as long as our collective memories continue to consider and remember. From his claims to have been with the 3rd CAV to his stories involving duty-related shootings, all have now been called into question. The list is far too long to go into here. Suffice to say, what needed proving was proven.

We, therefore, the representatives of the FiveseveN Forum, in General Congress, assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the name, and by the authority of the good people of these forums, solemnly publish and declare, that this member is, and of right ought to be, banished from the forums, and the forums be absolved from all allegiance to said member. All connection between the forums and the member is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as such, the forums continue to form alliances, establish commerce, and to do all other acts and things which independent forums may of right do. And for the support of this declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.


Following this post, Ryan deleted the thread.



Cyberfly:
You can delete the thread Ryan, but that doesn't make it go away.
It wasn't just something that I threw together. It was signed FiveseveN Staff. It was a compiliation of work from ALL of us. Put together by ALL of us, at an off-site forum over a period of several weeks and performed, if I might say, with the thoroughness of a very professional investigation.
We wanted to make sure we weren't making unfounded allegations, since you were a founding member, and in essence ONE OF US.
Besides, all of it is SAVED.
We were hoping you would have the decency of simply coming clean, apologizing for playing us, and then leaving quietly so we wouldn't have to out you publicly like you insisted we do to Artos.
But if you want to play it like this...we can.
We have it ALL backed up on our personal computers. ALL OF IT. We left no stone unturned.
All we wanted was possibly some sort of explanation. I mean...all of us have something in our lives that sucks. Something we aren't proud of, but we don't go trying to make up THIS level of horseshit to make ourselves out to be something we aren't. We took you at your word and you betrayed that. You were our brother in arms. But now...
Or are you buying time to Google and Wikipedia and Photoshop yourself some credentials and a birth certificate to try to prove us wrong?
It won't work. Too many conflicting stories. Too many criss-crossing timelines. Not enough research before you spouted off.
Besides, you simply aren't old enough.
Give it up and just come clean.
Oh, and before you start threatening to sue me so hard that my mother will feel it, give me the name of your lawyer so my servicing agent will be ready for it. I DO have Pre-Paid Legal. And I'm not afraid to use it.
Medula Oblongata:
You wanted me gone, so I left.

I deleted myself and anything pertaining to it.

What more do you want?
Cyberfly:

There were a select few that weren't aware of what was going on, but that doesn't matter. They probably know now.
I saw how many had read the post this morning before you deleted it.
I won't name them, but they can post in this thread if they wish. Just in case they actually feel that it needs to be known that they had no hand in outing you.
Medula Oblongata:
What's your point?

You want me gone, I'm gone. That's that.
Cyberfly:
Just an explanation.
A 'why'.

I thought we were friends. Brothers.

I trusted you more than I trust my own. It hurts man.
I know you must be pissed. I probably would be. Right now...I'm not. I thought I would be. Right now I just feel...hurt.
Medula Oblongata:
Perhaps its mental illness.
Cyberfly:
Did you think that if you were just yourself that your knowledge of reloading would be any less valuable?
Did you think that your jokes would be any less funny?
Did you think that your wit would be any less sharp?
You didn't have to be somebody else. Just you.
Medula Oblongata
As I said, I'm being treated for mental illness.
Cyberfly:
We all suffer from that. To some degree.

We all want to be something more than we are. I tried like hell to be, but I couldn't cut it. It killed me that I couldn't.
Medula Oblongata:
You simply aren't hearing me.

Regardless, I'll leave quietly. I'm not going to do anything.

This forum, my business; they're forfeit. I will simply take my belongings and walk away.
Cyberfly
I want to say that its been nice knowing you, but...I don't think I ever knew you.
The parts that I DO know that was you, the real you, I liked. And I'll miss that part. I just wish I could have known the real you.
Just don't do anything stupid.
Think of Catherine. I saw how she looks at you. Don't ever let her down Ryan.. that little girl worships her daddy.
She loves you too much Ryan.
Medula Oblongata:
It is what it is.

Like I said, I'll take my belongings and leave.

I'll never do anything to harm anyone on this board or with Elite. If we can all just walk away, that is.
Cyberfly:
You can.
I'm sure of it.
I wish you a prosperous and happy life Ryan. I sincerely hope that things work out for you so that you can be with your kids. I'll never forget how your face lit up around them.
I meant it when I said I'll miss you. That part of it you that I know is really you.
Good luck and God bless.
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Re: Ryan Herle aka Medula Oblongata

Post by panzermk2wife » 19 Sep 2009, 09:50

From my standpoint we had a gentleman's agreement he walks away quietly and doesn't try to hurt us or the company and we would leave things as he has family & health issues and left the company.

But I got a pm from one of the regular forum members that not only was disturbing (although not surprising he would continue the lies) but pissed me off and showed he broke the agreement.

Here is the pm I got last night and the name has been removed to protect their identity
I had a call from him yesterday saying he was no longer with EA or this forum, a gun was put in his face, unauthorized credit lines and embezzlement?

What's in the background of all this?
Complete lies once again.

He would not know how to tell the truth if his life depended on it.

When his wife left him in May 2008 Jay &I truly felt bad for him. We brought him up here as a friend because we were truly concerned for him. We brought him into our home as family and he betrayed us in the worse way.

He was always the first one to point out a poser and it turns out out he is the biggest one of all. Because he was suppose to be a friend and family to those of us who were taken by his lies.

I can just imagine what new identity he will reinvent himself with.

Elite Ammunition WILL continue and prosper without Ryan

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Re: Ryan Herle aka Medula Oblongata

Post by Esteves » 19 Sep 2009, 12:00

The whole situation makes me very sad. Both from a "How could I have fallen for it for so long?" and a "Why would he even feel the need to?" point of view.

Anyone who is a parent understands the difference between loving the person and abhoring particular behaviors. We are no longer children, and when adults (and supposed friends) behave as children who never learned certain lessons - the response is different, it has to be.

Trust is a fragile thing.

I hope that Ryan gets the help that he needs to address whatever the root cause is.
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Post by EARS » 19 Sep 2009, 12:04

Enough said!

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Re: Ryan Herle aka Medula Oblongata

Post by gw45acp » 19 Sep 2009, 13:23

There were a lot of inconsistencies in what he posted on the old forum up to the end of his presence here. I think those who have been around since the Btown days know what I mean. This really isn't that surprising. I hope he will seek out the help that he needs, at least for the sake of his children.
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Post by Llagoud » 19 Sep 2009, 13:28

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^ that was me completely speechless.

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Re: Ryan Herle aka Medula Oblongata

Post by Grantness » 19 Sep 2009, 15:55

*sigh* :?:

He was lying a lot about orders and such after his wife had left him, but I wrote it off.

The whole thing with his relative (brother?) that ran an ammo business and had lied and been kicked off the forum was weird too.

What about that fundraiser for his daughter's trip to washington? Was that real?

Its really upsetting to hear this about a guy a lot of us looked up to. I hope he doesnt get on some sort of revenge trip and ruine the reputation of this community as well as EA :gavel:

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Post by panzermk2wife » 19 Sep 2009, 16:12

Grant I know the feeling.

See we believed him about the stories of his ex-wife and the bullshit that went down with her.

The other ammo company is his father.

Don't know how true the fundraiser for his daughter to go to D.C. is. Once I have calmed down from all of this I may send an email to his ex-wife with a lot of questions.

He chose to tell lies to another forum member so now everything is coming out.

I know it's shocking and hard to grasp. But as a collective he had ALL OF US here believing his bullshit.

Right now what he has done to my family and our company I can honestly say, I don't care what happens to him.
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Re: Ryan Herle aka Medula Oblongata

Post by f3rr37 » 19 Sep 2009, 16:57

It is his father in CA that has the other ammo business. I have no idea what the deal was with that...

But to the best of our knowledge everything posted by Wolly are the conclusions we have come to based upon a pretty thorough investigation by the entire forum staff.

It saddens me that everything must come to this, but when someone you look up to lies about almost his entire background, he must be brought to the spot light to prevent others from being hurt.

We've had to deal with this same sort of situation this last year (ArtosDracon), and we all hoped that we would never have to do such a thing again. But, as we all learn in life, some people are never quite up to what they make themselves out to be.

There is really only one thing that we as a forum expect from every person on here, is that you're truthful about yourself.

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Re: Ryan Herle aka Medula Oblongata

Post by Wollychop » 19 Sep 2009, 17:02

When I think about the personal interactions I've had with him, I have to think of it like I ate dinner with a fictional character.

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Post by panzermk2 » 19 Sep 2009, 18:55

I have been publicly silent about this matter. Up to this point. If anyone other then close friends asked me about the situation I stated He left do to health issues. No matter how many times asked. Ryan asked me to leave him with some dignity by not publicly outing him.

He stated he would go away quietly, gave me an excuse of a mental health issue. I honored this request. As many who have contacted me can attest. I still gave him the benefit of the doubt while others whose judgment was less impaired due to distance from the situation around me told me not to.

I guess since I was closest to him I still held out for him. The extent of my foolishness has now been made so clear even I can see it.


The PM from the another forum member stating I took the company from him at gun point has shown to me that he would and will stop at nothing to keep lying. It is an utter boldface lie.

Phantom accounts? It was him in what I believe, my opinion, in some form of altered state that continually emptied Elites checking account. It was his ATM card used at the the stores around his house were all the transaction were performed. To a degree I believe he has sat in the dark and convinced himself that this lie is truth. That somehow I copied his personal ATM card, stole his PIN, dressed like him and went around his neighbor hood cleaning out the accounts.


I would like to thank everyone who knew what was going who gave me the support to see this through and their patience as I was still making excuses for him to them even yesterday as they tried to beat the truth into me. I have put Lisa through hell standing behind Ryan at her and my families expense.

To those concerned about their orders and future orders.The company has never been stronger. At no time in the past have we ever put out more product and at a higher quality. Those with .223 back orders have seen this since in the last week most have gotten their ammo.

Development will continue. As most know Ryan was not the only one inventing at EA. I focused on night sights, basis, shell plate development, FS2000 tri-rail etc. Load development was not outside of my ability the 45acp XTP load was mine. I have been loading for decades and have no issues developing ongoing loads for the 5.7x28 as I have been doing it for 45acp and 10mm for many years.

Hopeful someday Ryan gets the help he needs.
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Post by MrSlippyFist » 19 Sep 2009, 18:56

I only had one conversation with the man, and that conversation really made me believe the speculation before we began to all see that it was true. Looking back it all should have been so obvious. You really can't trust anyone nowadays.
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Post by MrSlippyFist » 19 Sep 2009, 18:59

I do not believe him to be mentally unstable. To keep such an untruth going for so long takes cunning and craft that only a rapist sociopath would envy. People like this know exactly what they are doing.
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Post by flyingirish04 » 19 Sep 2009, 19:49

Wow, a lot makes sense now. I never met the guy, but I talked to him several times on the phone. He was a good liar it seems. He has tried to contact me, but I haven't responded because I have been so busy. It seems he is a pathological liar that needs professional help, like Mike Keaton's character in "Dream Team".

I guess thats why you are always wary of people on the net. At least I have met Jay in person and know he is legit. I think you are right Jay when you say he has convinced himself of his lies being truth. Sad. I hope he gets help.
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Post by panzermk2 » 19 Sep 2009, 19:54

WTF wait a minute.

RYAN CLAIMED to have not only have met you but somehow served with you at the same time and unit. I know your Navy but he stated some sort of joint operations thing.
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Re: Ryan Herle aka Medula Oblongata

Post by EARS » 19 Sep 2009, 20:03

All of us who have known him are victims. I considered a "family member". But he is his own biggest victim. The important thing is that truth is out in the open. Everyone who has knowledge of this truth is set from more hurt and pain. It could have been worse. I thank the moderators here and Lisa & Jay at EA for not giving up and keeping the integrity of both the Forum and EA intack. Hopefully we can all put this behind us and have a great weekend. Today is Sunday and the start of a new week. It's also in away a new start for all of us, this forum and EA. God Bless Us All.

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Re: Ryan Herle aka Medula Oblongata

Post by panzermk2wife » 19 Sep 2009, 20:18

Having a mental illness does not excuse any of his actions in my book.
I am sorry to sound so cold hearted, but no one will ever know the full extent of what his actions cause myself, Jay and our children.
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Re: Ryan Herle aka Medula Oblongata

Post by flyingirish04 » 19 Sep 2009, 20:18

I never served with Ryan Herle. I did train at the JFK US Army SWC as a Civil Affairs Officer, then deploy with SOCCENT to Iraq, but Ryan was not among the guys I served with. He told me he was in Afghanistan in 2002.
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Re: Ryan Herle aka Medula Oblongata

Post by 69ranchero351c » 19 Sep 2009, 20:25

i've never posted much on here but he was one of the main reasons why i never did. he was just so vicious if any body had a differing opinion and it just pissed me off. dude its a free country for people to do what they want and say what they want.

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