Dillon 650 reloading
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Dillon 650 reloading
I am taking names of those interested in a caliber conversion kit for the Dillon 650. A freind and I have made some prototype parts and will offer them soon I hope. While we are still in an R&D mode, we would like to gauge how interested folks are in this potential product. Thanks a lot!
Re: Dillon 650 reloading
I'd be in for one, even though I don't have a 650 yet.
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Hope it works out for you. I had a lot of commitment until I opened up order taking for them. There is a lot more time(money) and money involved in developing and producing a plate then most people recognize.
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Re: Dillon 650 reloading
Yeah my buddies got the program done and ready to go, I have one prototype for testing ready. It needs some minor modifications and I produced some custom locater buttons and some parts for the case feeder. More work to go, but I should have a working test bed in a couple weeks. I know how it is, sometimes it takes a long time to sell a product even after many people said they want this item. It took almost 3 years to sell 50 of my 607 buttstocks even after advertising and contacting interested parties. I am going to make these, how long I sit on them is another story. I might make a batch of 50 kits and see how it goes. This is not going to be a flagship product for my freinds company, just a sideline.
Re: Dillon 650 reloading
registering interest, thanks!
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I'm interested....
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I would also be interested providing you can figure out a way for all of the 650 functions/stages to work consistently and with a high degree of accuracy. I am currently using a 550 but would love to have the case feeder and auto index features of the 650.
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The case feeder tray would likely be a seperate item. Right now we are working on the caliber conversion parts as Dillon sells in one kit. I feel pretty comfortable with what we have on the test machine. We just need two things, one is a list of people who want info, the other is to get the parts we have contracted out to complete their duties. Hoping to have a completed product by the 1st of the year or around Christmas time.
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I emailed Dillon yesterday to see when they would be coming out with 5.7x28 caliber conversion kits and dies for the 550B press. See the reply I received today.
Brew
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No, sorry~ that case is too small for any of our machines.
Thank you,
Dillon Precision Products, Inc.
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No, sorry~ that case is too small for any of our machines.
Thank you,
Dillon Precision Products, Inc.
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Re: Dillon 650 reloading
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Re: Dillon 650 reloading
It's not easy and for the 650 even harder then the 550. For starter 650 folkes would want to be able to use their case feeders and the changes needed for Dillon to their units would not be cost effective.
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I have a dillon 650 and i'm interested in one of your 5.7 cal. conversions.
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kd
Thanks
kd
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Re: Dillon 650 reloading
I have been looking at making a purchase of a 650 dillion so I would also have interest in any items you have plans on making for the 5.7 accessories for specifically the 650.
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I'm also interested in a 650 5.7 reloading conversion.
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I would be interested as well. Love my 650 but have actually been considering buying another press to reload 5.7s. A 650 shell plate would save considerable real estate on my reloading bench...please keep me posted of your progress!
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Any updates over the past three months?
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I would be interested too.....msportack wrote:I would be interested as well. Love my 650 but have actually been considering buying another press to reload 5.7s. A 650 shell plate would save considerable real estate on my reloading bench...please keep me posted of your progress!
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I am ready to purchase a 650 kit.
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I questioned Dillion and got the same answer. I'm in for a conversion kit if you get one that works.
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I'm interested also. Please send me some info.
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i have a 650 and a 5.7 and lots of empty brass i`m very interested ! :ponder:
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Dillion 650? You bet I'm interested! I hope someone starts marketing brass too
Best regards to all you you FN fans!
Best regards to all you you FN fans!
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Well I'm glad someone is doing this, cause Dillon has no interest in supporting it... still.
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I hate to play devil's advocate here, but I think a few observations are in order.
I currently load on an upgraded Dillon 450. Same as a 550, except it requires die changes since there is no removeable tool head. I had a 650 for 15 years, and loved. But when the arthritis and diabetic neuropathy caused me to cut back my shooting by 2/3 or more, I gave the 650 to my son.
I've loaded many thousands of rounds on a 1050 years ago when I was a partner in a small commercial reloading business.
I guess what I'm saying is that I have a considerable amount of experience with Dillon products, for over 25 years.
If Dillon hasn't worked out the problems yet, I'll take their word for it. They don't recommend using Dillons for the .25 ACP either. (I load quite a few of them, on my Redding)
If some of the folks here have worked out the problems for the 550, I'll probably be very interested in the not too distant future. But for now, I'm going to go along with Mike Dillon and do my 5.7 loading on the Redding.
Give it a couple of years, though, and somebody, somewhere, will work it out! :thumb:
Again, I'm not trying to be the wet blanket at the party, just counseling patience. Give it a little time, and something will happen. Who knows? Dillon might come up with a "mini" 1050 for loading .25 ACP, .30 carbine, 5.7 FN, 4.6 HK, etc,etc,
I currently load on an upgraded Dillon 450. Same as a 550, except it requires die changes since there is no removeable tool head. I had a 650 for 15 years, and loved. But when the arthritis and diabetic neuropathy caused me to cut back my shooting by 2/3 or more, I gave the 650 to my son.
I've loaded many thousands of rounds on a 1050 years ago when I was a partner in a small commercial reloading business.
I guess what I'm saying is that I have a considerable amount of experience with Dillon products, for over 25 years.
If Dillon hasn't worked out the problems yet, I'll take their word for it. They don't recommend using Dillons for the .25 ACP either. (I load quite a few of them, on my Redding)
If some of the folks here have worked out the problems for the 550, I'll probably be very interested in the not too distant future. But for now, I'm going to go along with Mike Dillon and do my 5.7 loading on the Redding.
Give it a couple of years, though, and somebody, somewhere, will work it out! :thumb:
Again, I'm not trying to be the wet blanket at the party, just counseling patience. Give it a little time, and something will happen. Who knows? Dillon might come up with a "mini" 1050 for loading .25 ACP, .30 carbine, 5.7 FN, 4.6 HK, etc,etc,
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Re: Dillon 650 reloading
We have sold 100"s of 550 shell plates over the years and have had no issues except one time and I think it was the press.
Normally Dillon, like RCBS sends people to us for our plate since Dillon wants to sell you a press not just a plate.
We prototyped, tested and created a 650 plate. It worked fine. Orders fell to short to offset the cost to make them since a run of 500 is very small for a CNC shop and would have made them extremely expensive to make. This is not even including the costs of creating it. We had to buy a 650 just to make a plate. Plus time and materials.
Normally Dillon, like RCBS sends people to us for our plate since Dillon wants to sell you a press not just a plate.
We prototyped, tested and created a 650 plate. It worked fine. Orders fell to short to offset the cost to make them since a run of 500 is very small for a CNC shop and would have made them extremely expensive to make. This is not even including the costs of creating it. We had to buy a 650 just to make a plate. Plus time and materials.
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Re: Dillon 650 reloading
You're definitely on the right track.
1. Make it work
2.Make it work well
3. Make it economical to manufacture. :thumb:
1. Make it work
2.Make it work well
3. Make it economical to manufacture. :thumb:
Re: Dillon 650 reloading
What power die would you use? I would think the 22 hornet would work well but if you buy the powder funnel seperate would you get the "A"-22 cal ?
Re: Dillon 650 reloading
I know this thread is over a year old and Elite is not making a 650 plate any longer but has anyone come through on one for this machine?
Re: Dillon 650 reloading
I'm interested.
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BTH
Thanks,
BTH
Re: Dillon 650 reloading
Would be interested, have a Dillion 650
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Re: Dillon 650 reloading
Hello...
I am new round' these parts. I found you guys looking for a Dillon 650 conversion kit for five seven. Did this conversion kit ever get off the ground? If so, I sure would lke to get my grubby paws on one...
Thanks in advance...
IA
I am new round' these parts. I found you guys looking for a Dillon 650 conversion kit for five seven. Did this conversion kit ever get off the ground? If so, I sure would lke to get my grubby paws on one...
Thanks in advance...
IA
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Re: Dillon 650 reloading
The project was shelved due to cost - it just wasn't worth developing at the time.
I doubt anything has changed but I'd wait for panzer to weigh in to make certain.
I doubt anything has changed but I'd wait for panzer to weigh in to make certain.
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Re: Dillon 650 reloading
We had them up for Pre-sale for 2 weeks because they are expensive to make and not one person placed an order. So we have shelved this project and probably will not attempt it again.panzermk2 wrote:We have sold 100"s of 550 shell plates over the years and have had no issues except one time and I think it was the press.
Normally Dillon, like RCBS sends people to us for our plate since Dillon wants to sell you a press not just a plate.
We prototyped, tested and created a 650 plate. It worked fine. Orders fell to short to offset the cost to make them since a run of 500 is very small for a CNC shop and would have made them extremely expensive to make. This is not even including the costs of creating it. We had to buy a 650 just to make a plate. Plus time and materials.
It's not as easy as it sounds and it's a very expensive project
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Re: Dillon 650 reloading
That's too bad about the 650 5.7 plate. I would have bought one if I had been in on the original offering. Thanks for the update...
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Re: Dillon 650 reloading
Here's a question for you... How many pre-orders would motivate you to put it back on the table?
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I have a 650 and would definitely buy one. I purchased a 550 plate and don't even own a 550. I guess if I have to buy a 550 later to go progressive so be it, but I would really rather have a 650 plate.
I do understand supply and demand. I don't expect someone to build something if there is not enough market to cover the costs. Maybe as time changes the caliber will be more popular and it will be worth the time and money to make the 650 plate.
I do understand supply and demand. I don't expect someone to build something if there is not enough market to cover the costs. Maybe as time changes the caliber will be more popular and it will be worth the time and money to make the 650 plate.
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New to forum but have reloaded for years and about 3 on the Dillon 650. Perhaps the current climate would motivate members and non-members to buy a shell plate. I don't know if the shell plate alone is enough because there would also need to be the powder drop attachment and the piece that moves the case onto the shell plate...unless the ones from the 223 conversion kit or some combination would work. I would imagine there are tons of people out there with the 650 who would benefit...could be win, win.
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I'm ready to buy one of your caliber conversion kits for my Dillon 650. Please send me the current status.
Thank you
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Re: Dillon 650 reloading
I'll throw my hat in the ring for a shellplate as well.
Just got a 650 and would rather not keep the 550B around just to resize and prime 5.7 brass.
Just got a 650 and would rather not keep the 550B around just to resize and prime 5.7 brass.
Re: Dillon 650 reloading
GONRA's experience is that you're best served to "resize 5.7 brass"
on a large robust single stage press to get consistant headspace.
Fired 5.7 cases can/will hava a "body bulge" that is really different
from the usual reloading we all are used to.
RCBS SMALL BASE dies verk great for me.
on a large robust single stage press to get consistant headspace.
Fired 5.7 cases can/will hava a "body bulge" that is really different
from the usual reloading we all are used to.
RCBS SMALL BASE dies verk great for me.
Re: Dillon 650 reloading
I have been working on a complete 650 conversion for over 6 months now. It needs more testing but I have successfully sized and trimmed several hundred cases. I will have a kit or two available soon for someone to test. This project has cost me countless hours and thousands of dollars but I think its progressing well.
Re: Dillon 650 reloading
Complete kits with or without the ability to trim are ready to ship.
Also parts to trim 7.62X25, 22TCM, 357SIG, or 5.7X28 on the XL650.
Also parts to trim 7.62X25, 22TCM, 357SIG, or 5.7X28 on the XL650.
Re: Dillon 650 reloading
This is a short video of the conversion. - https://youtu.be/8TW7pc3cHng
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