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Leupold LR/T 3.5-10x 40 FDE for a SCAR?
I'm going to order a SCAR 17s soon and I'm kicking around what kind of optics to go with. I was thinking about the Leupold Mark 4 LR/T 3.5-10x40 in FDE. I'm not too worried about the color matching the FDE on the rifle seeings how the whole rifle is a mish mash of tan colors. Lol
Any others that I should look at in this range?
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Any others that I should look at in this range?
http://www.leupold.com/tactical/scopes/ ... illum-ret/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Thanks,
Eric
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price range or magnification range?
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A lot.Virginian wrote: Any others that I should look at in this range?
Thanks,
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The price range of this scope is around 1300 to 1400. Magnification is a jackpot question. I'm unsure of how accurate this rifle will be further out. Say... 400 - 500 yards. It seems to me that if you spend the coin on a higher power scope, it would be a waste based on the capabilities of the rifle. Maybe I'm wrong in my thinking?
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Well that was helpful.blueorison wrote:A lot.Virginian wrote: Any others that I should look at in this range?
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Re: Leupold LR/T 3.5-10x 40 FDE for a SCAR?
1300 is WAY overpriced for that scope. I can get a 6.5-20 Mk4 for that all day.
And that scope is way overpriced for a SCAR. You have a battle rifle. If you spend more than 500 bucks, you are wasting money. Unless you are putting on a 7.62 calibrated ACOG or Elcan Spectre. And you would only need that if you plan on being blown up.
Buy a vortex or millet or maybe Burris or Bushnell 2-10 (or the like) scope and call it good.
And that scope is way overpriced for a SCAR. You have a battle rifle. If you spend more than 500 bucks, you are wasting money. Unless you are putting on a 7.62 calibrated ACOG or Elcan Spectre. And you would only need that if you plan on being blown up.
Buy a vortex or millet or maybe Burris or Bushnell 2-10 (or the like) scope and call it good.
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Re: Leupold LR/T 3.5-10x 40 FDE for a SCAR?
No, you are right on.Virginian wrote:The price range of this scope is around 1300 to 1400. Magnification is a jackpot question. I'm unsure of how accurate this rifle will be further out. Say... 400 - 500 yards. It seems to me that if you spend the coin on a higher power scope, it would be a waste based on the capabilities of the rifle. Maybe I'm wrong in my thinking?
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You didn't precede with criteria. I have a better idea, now. You have a lot of options for $1500 and under. You really don't need to spend that much, but if you want to, that is your prerogative The SCAR 17 will go easily to 1000 yards. It depends how far you want to shoot it.Virginian wrote:Well that was helpful.blueorison wrote:A lot.Virginian wrote: Any others that I should look at in this range?
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I would not get over a 1-6x power optic; and personally I would get a 1-4x optic. The eye-relief will generally be better.
If you want a recommendation, you might look at Swarovski. Nightforce. U.S. Optics. I would pick all of these far above a Leupold. This is considering the design, etc. Not just glass clarity, but including thus.
Below the $800 range, which is completely fine for 1000 yard shooting, your options really open up, and many more players come into the arena. This is my opinion.
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Re: Leupold LR/T 3.5-10x 40 FDE for a SCAR?
Thank you very much for you insight. I should have provided more input here. My apologies.
My intended purpose will be for varmint hunting. Fox, coyote and groundhogs being the lions share of what I do. The 308 will be Thor's hammer on these critters and clearly it's overkill (pun not intended). I don't care about pelt damage and the 17s will be light and easy to get around in tight areas.
My average shot is out to maybe 400 yards max. The rolling hills and woods don't really present 1,000 yards shots. Illuminated reticle is kind of a must for low light conditions. I also wanted to try a FFP, as I have read many good things on them. So those are my wants, not necessarily my needs.
This rifle and scope combo will be my most expensive rig, ever. I'm selling off many safe queens to fund it. All my life I have used entry level rifles and scopes to keep the cost down. Vortex (not the PSTs), Konus, BSA, and I would like to own at least one really nice piece of glass, just once. I've had decent luck with Clearidge and Hawke. If you have trouble getting to sleep, here's a review I wrote up on a Hawke Tac 30.http://www.predatormastersforums.com/fo ... ost2267182
I'm turning 50 in two weeks and this rig is kind of a gift to myself. For the first time in my life I have to wear reading glasses as my eyes are deminishing. Sucks... Throwing a heck of a party in two weekends with a blue grass band and BBQ. Iff any of you are in the area, pm me & I'll throw you an invite.
In closing I really don't contribute much to this website because I have always felt that hunting was not the users goal here. I also didn't want to offend anyone as I posting up dead critters and reporting on the ballistic damage of any given bullet. Clearly though, the level of intelligence is vastly higher on this forum then say, ummm all the other forums I frequent. seriously, not blowing sunshine up your dress here.
True perspective from people such as yourselves, is really getting hard to find on the internet. For what I do really harbors the "get-r-dun" crowd or fanboys because the leaders of the pack use brand X. No disrespect intended here, just my observations.
Anywho, I hope the above supplied info helps.
Thanks for reading,
Eric
My intended purpose will be for varmint hunting. Fox, coyote and groundhogs being the lions share of what I do. The 308 will be Thor's hammer on these critters and clearly it's overkill (pun not intended). I don't care about pelt damage and the 17s will be light and easy to get around in tight areas.
My average shot is out to maybe 400 yards max. The rolling hills and woods don't really present 1,000 yards shots. Illuminated reticle is kind of a must for low light conditions. I also wanted to try a FFP, as I have read many good things on them. So those are my wants, not necessarily my needs.
This rifle and scope combo will be my most expensive rig, ever. I'm selling off many safe queens to fund it. All my life I have used entry level rifles and scopes to keep the cost down. Vortex (not the PSTs), Konus, BSA, and I would like to own at least one really nice piece of glass, just once. I've had decent luck with Clearidge and Hawke. If you have trouble getting to sleep, here's a review I wrote up on a Hawke Tac 30.http://www.predatormastersforums.com/fo ... ost2267182
I'm turning 50 in two weeks and this rig is kind of a gift to myself. For the first time in my life I have to wear reading glasses as my eyes are deminishing. Sucks... Throwing a heck of a party in two weekends with a blue grass band and BBQ. Iff any of you are in the area, pm me & I'll throw you an invite.
In closing I really don't contribute much to this website because I have always felt that hunting was not the users goal here. I also didn't want to offend anyone as I posting up dead critters and reporting on the ballistic damage of any given bullet. Clearly though, the level of intelligence is vastly higher on this forum then say, ummm all the other forums I frequent. seriously, not blowing sunshine up your dress here.
True perspective from people such as yourselves, is really getting hard to find on the internet. For what I do really harbors the "get-r-dun" crowd or fanboys because the leaders of the pack use brand X. No disrespect intended here, just my observations.
Anywho, I hope the above supplied info helps.
Thanks for reading,
Eric
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Re: Leupold LR/T 3.5-10x 40 FDE for a SCAR?
Hey - I just bought myself a 50th B-Day present too: a Leupold VX-3L 6.5-20x56mm to put on my LR308. There is absolutely no comparison between this scope and cheap glass - none.
I typically agree with Blue on many things, but magnification isn't one of them. He's a young buck and can still see (lol?). Personally I need the magnification so I know what direction to point the rifle in, anything outside of 50 yards is just a blurry mess at this point.
As far as hunting goes, there is a thread for that here, and some will appreciate videos/information. I plan to go on a hog hunt next Tuesday as long as Isaac leaves northeast Florida pretty much alone. Assuming we see some hogs, my intention is to put an S4M round fried from my FsN through Porky's alleged impenetrable armor. There will be videos & pics of the wound channel.
I typically agree with Blue on many things, but magnification isn't one of them. He's a young buck and can still see (lol?). Personally I need the magnification so I know what direction to point the rifle in, anything outside of 50 yards is just a blurry mess at this point.
As far as hunting goes, there is a thread for that here, and some will appreciate videos/information. I plan to go on a hog hunt next Tuesday as long as Isaac leaves northeast Florida pretty much alone. Assuming we see some hogs, my intention is to put an S4M round fried from my FsN through Porky's alleged impenetrable armor. There will be videos & pics of the wound channel.
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Actually, an entire sub-forum.jgreenberg01 wrote:As far as hunting goes, there is a thread for that here, and some will appreciate videos/information.
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Re: Leupold LR/T 3.5-10x 40 FDE for a SCAR?
if you are using it for varmit hunting, you will want the magnification. look at the 6-24 viper pst, swfa ss 5-20, or the newer weaver tacticals. all are ffp and you can get all of them under $1000. ffp is such a great feature.
the only leupolds that are ffp are the er/t and they are much more money.
the only leupolds that are ffp are the er/t and they are much more money.
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That clears up a lot; thank you for your thoughts on this forum. You expounded on one of the main reasons this is the only forum I frequent. If I were LE/MIL, I'm sure I'd be on lightfighter, or perhaps not.
If you're hitting varmint/critters to 400 yards, based on your feedback, I wouldn't hesitate to get a 12x/16x or even 20x. Even with poor eyes like mine - I have astigmatism - I can still use a 1-6x on a coyote form at 400, but not a groundhog. The down-sizes of your primary targets - critters - leads me to suggest a higher magnification.
Since you're making this a blessing to yourself, after sacrificing many safe queens as lambs (which, is a great approach, in my book!), and money is not the issue; I would recommend Nightforce scopes for the durability. If you're in the woods, you want an optic that can take the abuse. You're not shooting from a bench or a blind. You're maneuvering for a better angle, vector, and presentation. When doing so, the focus is on the target and stealth. Many times, the peripheral takes a backseat, and unplanned events can occur, like a bump to your glass. The higher end of Leupold, SWFA, Vortex, all have clear glass. I have not tried SWFA HD glass, but perhaps it isn't a reach to say that it matches very well with the expectations of the higher classes @ snipershide. FFP is my choice, also. Being that those two criterion are fulfilled, the next would be robustness in venture. And being that SWFA HD, Leupold, and Vortex might not be as robust as the battle-proven Nightforce, I would have to recommend Nightforce or U.S. Optics. Make sure your reference and measurement instruments all match up with your preferences for MIL/MOA dot/hashes and holds.
I have to disclaim that I am not a glass or optic expert. I only know what I know, and do not peruse other forums for information on scopes, etc. My feedback on snipershide comes from members there that I know. I also do not know if Leupold, SWFA, or Vortex are as proven to be as robust as Nightforce scopes. I have not "read" up on this. I simply am going off the clarity of the scopes I have used, personally, and the testimonials of my acquaintances that have used Nightforce, offshore and over seas.
I very much like the 17 for its lightweight and compact structure. :cya:
If you're hitting varmint/critters to 400 yards, based on your feedback, I wouldn't hesitate to get a 12x/16x or even 20x. Even with poor eyes like mine - I have astigmatism - I can still use a 1-6x on a coyote form at 400, but not a groundhog. The down-sizes of your primary targets - critters - leads me to suggest a higher magnification.
Since you're making this a blessing to yourself, after sacrificing many safe queens as lambs (which, is a great approach, in my book!), and money is not the issue; I would recommend Nightforce scopes for the durability. If you're in the woods, you want an optic that can take the abuse. You're not shooting from a bench or a blind. You're maneuvering for a better angle, vector, and presentation. When doing so, the focus is on the target and stealth. Many times, the peripheral takes a backseat, and unplanned events can occur, like a bump to your glass. The higher end of Leupold, SWFA, Vortex, all have clear glass. I have not tried SWFA HD glass, but perhaps it isn't a reach to say that it matches very well with the expectations of the higher classes @ snipershide. FFP is my choice, also. Being that those two criterion are fulfilled, the next would be robustness in venture. And being that SWFA HD, Leupold, and Vortex might not be as robust as the battle-proven Nightforce, I would have to recommend Nightforce or U.S. Optics. Make sure your reference and measurement instruments all match up with your preferences for MIL/MOA dot/hashes and holds.
I have to disclaim that I am not a glass or optic expert. I only know what I know, and do not peruse other forums for information on scopes, etc. My feedback on snipershide comes from members there that I know. I also do not know if Leupold, SWFA, or Vortex are as proven to be as robust as Nightforce scopes. I have not "read" up on this. I simply am going off the clarity of the scopes I have used, personally, and the testimonials of my acquaintances that have used Nightforce, offshore and over seas.
I very much like the 17 for its lightweight and compact structure. :cya:
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I'm no expert on glass either, but I did do a lot of research on scopes. I was originally going to go with NF for my .308 but decided that it was overkill for my gun, especially price-wise. Fortunately for me, my local gun shop carries NF, Leupold and many other brands... in stock. That allowed me to compare them side by side. The difference between high-end and mid-price scope clarity was surprising. The difference between NF and Leupold at 2/3 the price of of NF, I thought, was not worth the difference.
As I said in my earlier post, I went with the Leupold, and I chose the Varmint Reticle for several reasons. If you are interested and can wait about a week, I will post a review of the Leupold scope. I have most of it done, I just have to record the 500 yard shooting results on video, but I can't do it this week because of the hurricane that has already started dumping on N. Florida.
I'm also going to go over a really cool app for your smart phone called Strelok that is a ballistic calculator. You can tell it exactly what scope/reticle you have (also type of bullet, atmospheric conditions, blah, blah, blah...) and it tells you exactly where to hold/adjust in mils, MOA, inches and windage/elevation clicks. It's really cool and very useful!
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As I said in my earlier post, I went with the Leupold, and I chose the Varmint Reticle for several reasons. If you are interested and can wait about a week, I will post a review of the Leupold scope. I have most of it done, I just have to record the 500 yard shooting results on video, but I can't do it this week because of the hurricane that has already started dumping on N. Florida.
I'm also going to go over a really cool app for your smart phone called Strelok that is a ballistic calculator. You can tell it exactly what scope/reticle you have (also type of bullet, atmospheric conditions, blah, blah, blah...) and it tells you exactly where to hold/adjust in mils, MOA, inches and windage/elevation clicks. It's really cool and very useful!
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Re: Leupold LR/T 3.5-10x 40 FDE for a SCAR?
Most scopes will look great during the day. Take those same 2 scopes out around dusk, the difference is huge.jgreenberg01 wrote:The difference between NF and Leupold at 2/3 the price of of NF, I thought, was not worth the difference.
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jgreenberg01 - I look forward towards your review. I have plenty of time before I order the glass. Just buying the 17s is a croaker as it is. lol I'm going to go with a LaRue QD for the scope mount. Then dies , bullets, brass and powder for reloading this caliber. My wife, I call the minister of finance, will be having a few chats with me in the near future I think.
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blueorison - If I got with a NF, which reticle would you suggest? Also, what are my options to color the scope tan without voiding the warranty? I suppose some tan tape might be a viable option.
If I've read correctly on the 17s, that it's tough to get MOA out of the box. Now the reviews that I've read are all using factory ammo. I suspect that I can tighten that up quite a bit finding a load it likes. I'm hopeful for 1" at 200 yards. We shall see and I'll be sure to post a new thread with my success and failures.
I checked with Charles at A&A Arsenal and the long barrel is not available to the public at this time. If it was, I would jump at it. So the short barrel heavy is on my radar now.
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If I've read correctly on the 17s, that it's tough to get MOA out of the box. Now the reviews that I've read are all using factory ammo. I suspect that I can tighten that up quite a bit finding a load it likes. I'm hopeful for 1" at 200 yards. We shall see and I'll be sure to post a new thread with my success and failures.
I checked with Charles at A&A Arsenal and the long barrel is not available to the public at this time. If it was, I would jump at it. So the short barrel heavy is on my radar now.
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srt-4_jon wrote:Most scopes will look great during the day. Take those same 2 scopes out around dusk, the difference is huge.jgreenberg01 wrote:The difference between NF and Leupold at 2/3 the price of of NF, I thought, was not worth the difference.
I have to agree with this statement.
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Esteves,Esteves wrote:Actually, an entire sub-forum.jgreenberg01 wrote:As far as hunting goes, there is a thread for that here, and some will appreciate videos/information.
I understand there's a specified hunting/fishing section in this forum but it's tough 'for me' to put that much energy into a review with pictures and decent narrative only to fall on deaf ears. Point being, not many people use that forum here. So the juice isn't worth the squeeze so to speak... If you think I would be contributing, I will rethink this issue.
Thanks for your kind input!
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Re: Leupold LR/T 3.5-10x 40 FDE for a SCAR?
While I can't say that I have compared the NF to the Leupold directly at dusk, I did in full daylight as well as very overcast, about-to-storm skies. Even in the relatively dark, overcast conditions both seemed to gather the same light at 300 yards, which was as far as I could test them at while at the gun shop.Virginian wrote:srt-4_jon wrote:Most scopes will look great during the day. Take those same 2 scopes out around dusk, the difference is huge.jgreenberg01 wrote:The difference between NF and Leupold at 2/3 the price of of NF, I thought, was not worth the difference.
I have to agree with this statement.
The Leupold VX-3L also has a 56mm objective lens so it does a pretty darn good job at low-light. Additionally it can be mounted lower to the barrel because of its unique objective contour which was a consideration as well.
Here is what I mean:
http://www.leupold.com/hunting-shooting ... us-target/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
In the end though, the $$$ outlay was really the determining factor.
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Re: Leupold LR/T 3.5-10x 40 FDE for a SCAR?
the low mounting of the leupold wont matter on the scar. you need something tall to get a good cheek weld. also with the nightforce, you are paying for durability as well as outstanding glass.
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srt-4_jon wrote:if you are using it for varmit hunting, you will want the magnification. look at the 6-24 viper pst, swfa ss 5-20, or the newer weaver tacticals. all are ffp and you can get all of them under $1000. ffp is such a great feature.
the only leupolds that are ffp are the er/t and they are much more money.
I agree on your choices, but FFP is really a gimmick in many ways. I wouldn't pay more for it, ever. If you can get it on a cheaper scope, great. But it doesn't make up for having worse glass.
To the OP, you will have a very hard time hitting varmit sized targets other than yotes at 400 yards, regardless of your glass. Best grouping I have ever seen with a 17s at 500 yards is just a hair over 6.5 inches.
That isn't bad for a battle rifle, but for varmint hunting, if you are missing chucks or dogs at 400, it likely isn't the scope that is causing that.
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srt-4_jon wrote:the low mounting of the leupold wont matter on the scar. you need something tall to get a good cheek weld. also with the nightforce, you are paying for durability as well as outstanding glass.
NF 2.5-10x24 is what we had on Mk 12s and Mk 11s in the service. Hard to get now, as NF has gone to the 32mm Objective for their retail line, which is a larger, but still excellent scope.
Personally, I think NF is really the most money you ever need to spend on a scope, unless you have to go lighter for a hunting rig or something and still want that combo of durability and glass, like with a Swaro or Leica. Personally, I just go back to tried and true Leupold.
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NF is overkill on the SCAR IMO. I really see no reason to put anything more than a $500 scope on something like this and that may be pushing it.
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Federal Gold Match; IIRC 168gr.Virginian wrote:blueorison - If I got with a NF, which reticle would you suggest? Also, what are my options to color the scope tan without voiding the warranty? I suppose some tan tape might be a viable option.
If I've read correctly on the 17s, that it's tough to get MOA out of the box. Now the reviews that I've read are all using factory ammo. I suspect that I can tighten that up quite a bit finding a load it likes. I'm hopeful for 1" at 200 yards. We shall see and I'll be sure to post a new thread with my success and failures.
I checked with Charles at A&A Arsenal and the long barrel is not available to the public at this time. If it was, I would jump at it. So the short barrel heavy is on my radar now.
Eric
As for the FFP reticle; it is what you shoot most comfortably with. It also depends which magnification range you use, if you're using a rangefinder in conjunction (like a Leupold rangefinder), and how the rangefinder likes to work.
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Re: Leupold LR/T 3.5-10x 40 FDE for a SCAR?
You will not get 1" at 200 yards consistantly. Won't happen, even with handloads. The barrels are just not made that well. And the most accurate 308 loads I have experience with is with 175 SMKs. But the twist on the SCAR might not work well with them. It is marginal.
You want something that shoots .5 MOA, and is SA, you need to go with an OBR or a SR-25, or better yet, go with a bolt gun for far less coin.
I don't mean to pick on you, but I am really a bit tired of people buying a SCAR and thinking they have a long range precision weapon or varmint shooter. You don't. It wasn't designed for that. And everyone on the other forum that claims they get that kind of accuracy is lying through their teeth.
It is a great battle rifle, way overpriced, but functions better than just a simple Gas Operated AR. THat is about it.
You want something that shoots .5 MOA, and is SA, you need to go with an OBR or a SR-25, or better yet, go with a bolt gun for far less coin.
I don't mean to pick on you, but I am really a bit tired of people buying a SCAR and thinking they have a long range precision weapon or varmint shooter. You don't. It wasn't designed for that. And everyone on the other forum that claims they get that kind of accuracy is lying through their teeth.
It is a great battle rifle, way overpriced, but functions better than just a simple Gas Operated AR. THat is about it.
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Re: Leupold LR/T 3.5-10x 40 FDE for a SCAR?
Blue is pretty good on most stuff. I might step in a bit though on this topic, as distance shooting is kind of the only thing I do right now. Glass is something I have spent a bunch of money in lately. Also, my wealthier shooting buddies have a plethora of scopes around that I am always allowed to shoot. I have shot a ton of high priced scopes, in the past five years particularly, that all aim for that perfect mix of glass, durability, components, and price.blueorison wrote:You didn't precede with criteria. I have a better idea, now. You have a lot of options for $1500 and under. You really don't need to spend that much, but if you want to, that is your prerogative The SCAR 17 will go easily to 1000 yards. It depends how far you want to shoot it.Virginian wrote:Well that was helpful.blueorison wrote:A lot.Virginian wrote: Any others that I should look at in this range?
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I would not get over a 1-6x power optic; and personally I would get a 1-4x optic. The eye-relief will generally be better.
If you want a recommendation, you might look at Swarovski. Nightforce. U.S. Optics. I would pick all of these far above a Leupold. This is considering the design, etc. Not just glass clarity, but including thus.
Below the $800 range, which is completely fine for 1000 yard shooting, your options really open up, and many more players come into the arena. This is my opinion.
Leupold: for 90% of scoping needs, Leupold is the best option. If you want a cheaper scope, go with their Redfield lines, if you want a solid hunting scope, their VX-3 may be the most underrated line of scopes out there (and that is saying something because they are pretty popular already). YOu want clear as clear optics, their VX-7 glass is better than NF clarity, but for about the same price and less components. They aren't as durable as NF, but have an excellent warranty and replace scopes without question. They also have a line of Tactical scopes that are extremely well designed and built. Look for them to overtake Aimpoint, Trijicon, and Elcan in the future. The are making some fine, fine tac scopes. Great company.
Swaro, no way. Overpriced. Only marginally better than VX-3 glass with their Z-2s, and with only 1" tubes. Only if you have to go lightweight do they even enter the conversation. Their components are not great either, unless you go to there uber expensive Z6s.
NF, don't need anything more. Gold standard choice for tactical and LR sporting shooters. I have a NF NXS G7 5.5-22x50 ready to go on my new custom 338 Lapua Improved for a reason: It simply is the best LR Hunting drop turret scope on the market right now.
USO, Hensoldt, IOR, Premiere: very fine optics, way too overpriced for what you get over NF
Schmidt and Bender: If NF is gold standard, S&Bs are Diamond standard. Better glass than NF, noticeably, but HUGELY EXPENSIVE.
Options not mentioned in this thread yet:
Sighttron. EXCELLENT FOR PRICE. If you want a high magnification and great components and decent glass, VX-2 Leupold quality in fact, go with the SIII.
Minox. Comparable (if not cheaper) to Sighttron on price, not as good of components, better glass.
Again, nothing above the 'Options not mentioned' part of the post really fit your 17S IMO
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Re: Leupold LR/T 3.5-10x 40 FDE for a SCAR?
after using one, I Cant agree. whats the poInt of a varIable power scope If the retIcle Is only calIbrated at one magnIfIcatIon range? sure you can sit down and do math and figure things out with work, but ffp makes it soooo much easier. at 500 meters, I need to hold over 4 mil regardless of the magnification I am on. if I didnt, I would have to dial in or try to do math to figure out holdover. also, you dont really need a rangefinder. the reticle being the same size, you use it to measure and figure out difference.flyingirish04 wrote:srt-4_jon wrote:if you are using it for varmit hunting, you will want the magnification. look at the 6-24 viper pst, swfa ss 5-20, or the newer weaver tacticals. all are ffp and you can get all of them under $1000. ffp is such a great feature.
the only leupolds that are ffp are the er/t and they are much more money.
I agree on your choices, but FFP is really a gimmick in many ways.
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Re: Leupold LR/T 3.5-10x 40 FDE for a SCAR?
Which you can do without a FFP. Your factor just changes. Not that hard, particularly when the constant is provided to you in the manual.
I understand your point, I am just saying several companies try to make up for inferior quality scopes with a FFP reticle. It isn't that much of a game changer,and frankly, with the way I was taught to shoot, it doesn't really do anything for me.
Also, most off brand, second tier brand FFP scopes lose a bit of accuracy because their reticle isn't completely calibrated up with the zoom. I have heard several guys having issues like this with the first Vipers that came out. Why Vortex was slow to let loose with their inventory.
The best out there is an accurately calibrated drop turret. Can't get any quicker, all you need to have is horizontal wind holdovers, and well, the wind velocity too.
I understand your point, I am just saying several companies try to make up for inferior quality scopes with a FFP reticle. It isn't that much of a game changer,and frankly, with the way I was taught to shoot, it doesn't really do anything for me.
Also, most off brand, second tier brand FFP scopes lose a bit of accuracy because their reticle isn't completely calibrated up with the zoom. I have heard several guys having issues like this with the first Vipers that came out. Why Vortex was slow to let loose with their inventory.
The best out there is an accurately calibrated drop turret. Can't get any quicker, all you need to have is horizontal wind holdovers, and well, the wind velocity too.
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Re: Leupold LR/T 3.5-10x 40 FDE for a SCAR?
you are comparing apples to oranges there. I am talking ffp vs sfp, not a good sfp to a sub par ffp. yes you can sit there and do conversions but which is easier/faster? well my reticle is cal'd for x12, my mag is at x20, so how much is the one mil the reticle shows? tIme to break out a pencil and paper. for ffp, it's one mil, all the time.flyingirish04 wrote:
I understand your point, I am just saying several companies try to make up for inferior quality scopes with a FFP reticle. It isn't that much of a game changer,and frankly, with the way I was taught to shoot, it doesn't really do anything for me.
Also, most off brand, second tier brand FFP scopes lose a bit of accuracy because their reticle isn't completely calibrated up with the zoom. I have heard several guys having issues like this with the first Vipers that came out. Why Vortex was slow to let loose with their inventory.
yes drop turrets are fast but with holdovers, you dont have to touch the scope at all. different ways to get to the same place, I guess.
back to the op, if you are using the gun for varmits, get something with high magnification. you will need it.
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Re: Leupold LR/T 3.5-10x 40 FDE for a SCAR?
Ok, I have to think about how to respond to this recent flurry of replies...
flyingirish04 - Point taken on too much magnification. Point taken that over a $500 scope is a waste of $$. Point taken as well that this is a 'battle rifle' and a complete waste of $$ again for my intended purpose. I get it! You're tired of telling people that this isn't a long range and/or varmint rifle. I believe I stated that early in this thread say it was overkill.
Clearly I could go get a GAP precision long range shooter and put a two brazillion dollar LeuNFSchmZei scope on it and shoot fleas off a hound dog at 1,000 yards. That's not what I want to do. Has anyone really tried to dial it in and use in this manner? I'm sure you know some people but my ninja google skillz escape me trying to find real data. I also get it that many post on this rifle on the net are fertilizer. Heck, most of the post regarding guns and accuracy are fertilizer. There's a few places that you can get real intel/data, this forum being one of them.
Having said that, if/when I do this, I'll post up my cheers & jeers and you can post away with the I told you so. lol It wouldn't be the first or last time I made an arse of myself. FWIW, I never lie on my posts and I don't filter, meaning if I fail, so be it.
At the end of the day, all I can say it on the surface it appears to be fun! No other reason, my personal enjoyment. I hope you understand... This reply is 'not' pushback from me to you. I still enjoy your responses and wealth of knowledge. Carry on...
srt-4_jon - FFP is my first choice and I'm researching the lower end variations of it now. I agree with your perspective regarding the benefits of a FFP. I will find out and post my results. I agree with Flyingirish04 that to spend what I originally was thinking would be excessive.
Again, thank you for everyone's input. I read each and every one of them and take them into advisement.
Thank you,
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flyingirish04 - Point taken on too much magnification. Point taken that over a $500 scope is a waste of $$. Point taken as well that this is a 'battle rifle' and a complete waste of $$ again for my intended purpose. I get it! You're tired of telling people that this isn't a long range and/or varmint rifle. I believe I stated that early in this thread say it was overkill.
Clearly I could go get a GAP precision long range shooter and put a two brazillion dollar LeuNFSchmZei scope on it and shoot fleas off a hound dog at 1,000 yards. That's not what I want to do. Has anyone really tried to dial it in and use in this manner? I'm sure you know some people but my ninja google skillz escape me trying to find real data. I also get it that many post on this rifle on the net are fertilizer. Heck, most of the post regarding guns and accuracy are fertilizer. There's a few places that you can get real intel/data, this forum being one of them.
Having said that, if/when I do this, I'll post up my cheers & jeers and you can post away with the I told you so. lol It wouldn't be the first or last time I made an arse of myself. FWIW, I never lie on my posts and I don't filter, meaning if I fail, so be it.
At the end of the day, all I can say it on the surface it appears to be fun! No other reason, my personal enjoyment. I hope you understand... This reply is 'not' pushback from me to you. I still enjoy your responses and wealth of knowledge. Carry on...
srt-4_jon - FFP is my first choice and I'm researching the lower end variations of it now. I agree with your perspective regarding the benefits of a FFP. I will find out and post my results. I agree with Flyingirish04 that to spend what I originally was thinking would be excessive.
Again, thank you for everyone's input. I read each and every one of them and take them into advisement.
Thank you,
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Re: Leupold LR/T 3.5-10x 40 FDE for a SCAR?
Most efficient round out there. 6PPC is the only 100 and 200 yard bench choice. Ever shoot any dasher? Love that round. What action is that btw? March scope?
Anyway, my best friend has a 17 and he tried dialing it in with 168s and didn't even get constant MOA groupings at 100 so good luck.
He even had bbl blank from Bartlein that he turned down and machined on his CNC to make his own version of a 17 DMR. It took him forever to tweak it but he was shooting in the sevens out to 500 yards. He swears he is going to rebarrel it again but this time chambering in 6.5x47. Way better round than the 308.
Love to hear your results. Several people claim shooting in fives and sixes at 100 with it. Never seen it but I guess it could happen once or twice.
Hope you are happy with it regardless. I know I don't just enjoy shooting my customs.
Anyway, my best friend has a 17 and he tried dialing it in with 168s and didn't even get constant MOA groupings at 100 so good luck.
He even had bbl blank from Bartlein that he turned down and machined on his CNC to make his own version of a 17 DMR. It took him forever to tweak it but he was shooting in the sevens out to 500 yards. He swears he is going to rebarrel it again but this time chambering in 6.5x47. Way better round than the 308.
Love to hear your results. Several people claim shooting in fives and sixes at 100 with it. Never seen it but I guess it could happen once or twice.
Hope you are happy with it regardless. I know I don't just enjoy shooting my customs.
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I'll post a my build thread on that rifle in the rifle section. A BR rifle was very low on my list and there's a story why I got into it. Hopefully I'll get some time to do the write up later this weekend.flyingirish04 wrote:Most efficient round out there. 6PPC is the only 100 and 200 yard bench choice. Ever shoot any dasher? Love that round. What action is that btw? March scope?
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Re: Leupold LR/T 3.5-10x 40 FDE for a SCAR?
Ok a few updates on this issue. A nice fellow bought my 5.7 off this forum and the $$ is in hand. I just got off the horn with A&A Arsenal and he got his hands on a FDE 17s. I'm going over to see Charles & pay for it this weekend and have him send off the pistol FFL to FFL. Charles is the man! Doh, now I feel like the dogthat caught the car I was chasing down the street. :facepalm:
Regarding the scope issue, I think I have read up on so many scopes that they start to bleed into each other.
I wound up going with a Vortex Viper HS Tactical Rifle Scope 30mm Tube 5-15x 44mm Side Focus 1/10 MIL Adjustments Mil-Dot Reticle Matte. This is a Midway exclusive with Vortex. Basically it's a PST minus the illumination and FFP. But! The retail on it is only $499. I got my B-day dealeo from Harry Potter or whatever his name is at Midway, came to $435 delivered. There's 16 pages of review on the Hide. Almost seems too good to be true.
Powder, dies, bullets and brass are ordered. Hopefully, I'll be posting some results here in a couple weeks.
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Thanks for everyone input and several of you heavily swayed my decision.
Eric
Regarding the scope issue, I think I have read up on so many scopes that they start to bleed into each other.
I wound up going with a Vortex Viper HS Tactical Rifle Scope 30mm Tube 5-15x 44mm Side Focus 1/10 MIL Adjustments Mil-Dot Reticle Matte. This is a Midway exclusive with Vortex. Basically it's a PST minus the illumination and FFP. But! The retail on it is only $499. I got my B-day dealeo from Harry Potter or whatever his name is at Midway, came to $435 delivered. There's 16 pages of review on the Hide. Almost seems too good to be true.
Powder, dies, bullets and brass are ordered. Hopefully, I'll be posting some results here in a couple weeks.
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/183567" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... roductDesc
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthr ... =14&page=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Thanks for everyone input and several of you heavily swayed my decision.
Eric
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Re: Leupold LR/T 3.5-10x 40 FDE for a SCAR?
The 17s is paid for and I suspect it will come in later this week. :clap: I won't be able to pick it till the following week. I'll have a few days to roll some rounds for in the mean time. When I get all the components, I'll document a review as I go along.
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Good stuff. Can't wait to see your results.
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