back up gun!

jackmon1 · Post by **jackmon1** » 13 Jul 2011, 22:44

I personally use a NAA 22 mag.

bobapunk · Post by **bobapunk** » 14 Jul 2011, 06:22

.380 +P

flyingirish04 · Post by **flyingirish04** » 14 Jul 2011, 07:22

9mm. I may get another Kimber Solo since I sold mine, or I may go with the LC9. I am not a fan of 380. If I don't take 9mm, then I go with 32 ACP as a second choice in a old walther PPK that I have, or a Berreta Tomcat.

Post by **panzermk2** » 14 Jul 2011, 07:54

My back up is a 45acp Commander.

Post by **Grantness** » 14 Jul 2011, 08:04

I put 380, cause that's what I got that's small enough to fit the bill and prefer to use out of what I have. Sometimes I take along my little .25 pocket pistol just for comfort's sake. I've found my compact .40 Glock 27 a little too big for a back-up (just too hard most of the year to conceal it and the primary weapon). Most of the time I dont carry a back up. Maybe an extra mag or something. Maybe an extra full-size caliber gun in the car.... but there's virtually no crime here outside of the occasional pot, pill, or meth bust. Hell, they put every single mug shot on the front page of the local paper,, even if its a traffic violation!

I like the looks of that new Kimber Solo in 9mm. Same size and capacity as .380, why not step up?

I can also see carrying a revolver (perhaps hammerless) for the ultimate in reliability. Afterall, that's probably why you would need a back up. They make some real real light/small snubbies in larger calibers. Of course they kick like a mule, but that wouldn't concern me in a back-up weapon.

Post by **MrSlippyFist** » 14 Jul 2011, 08:04

Post by **panzermk2** » 14 Jul 2011, 08:08

Well I should amend my post. As soon as my new CZ RAMI in 40S&W passes muster with EA +P 40S&W it will be my back up.

Website · Post by **jgreenberg01** » 14 Jul 2011, 08:20

panzermk2 wrote:Well I should amend my post. As soon as my new CZ RAMI in 40S&W passes muster with EA +P 40S&W it will be my back up.

When I do carry a BUG, it's a 9mm Taurus Millennium Pro on my ankle. That's getting really old though because it's kinda heavy/large for that so I am thinking of switching to a pocket gun, possibly a Kahr PM9 or more likely a CM9...

Post by **Cyberfly** » 14 Jul 2011, 10:16

I keep a Howitzer in my shorts as a back up. JUST in case.
Spare ammo though, yeah, thats tough...

Post by **Grantness** » 14 Jul 2011, 10:18

Cyberfly wrote:I keep a Howitzer in my shorts as a back up. JUST in case.
Spare ammo though, yeah, thats tough...

What's your primary? Big Bertha?

flyingirish04 · Post by **flyingirish04** » 14 Jul 2011, 11:16

Grantness wrote: I like the looks of that new Kimber Solo in 9mm. Same size and capacity as .380, why not step up?

Well, if you can get one at MSRP or under great. The demand for those is driving the reseller market WAY UP!

But even then, I would resell it for 200-400 dollars profit. I got mine sold a week after I got it for about $330 more than what I paid for it. So now I will buy a LC9 or wait for my shop to get another one in 3-4 months and put the money in the bank.

Post by **Grantness** » 14 Jul 2011, 12:03

haha yea...Kimbers are always nice guns, but you pay too much for the name. In terms of actual functionality and accuracy at <15 yards I bet even a KelTec wouldn't be much worse... Ruger even better, but again u pay.

If anyone has (and want to keep

) a Kimber Solo, it was on the cover of Handloader magazine this month and there are some loads and info I can pass along...

Post by **Cyberfly** » 14 Jul 2011, 12:07

Grantness wrote:
Cyberfly wrote:I keep a Howitzer in my shorts as a back up. JUST in case.
Spare ammo though, yeah, thats tough...
What's your primary? Big Bertha?

I use a slingshot as primary. If I can't scare you with a slingshot, then I pull out the Howie. That usually clears the streets. :thumb:
Of course, I've yet to actually have to FIRE it (thankfully). And most folks are too goofy to realize you can dodge left or right and avoid getting hit cuz moving that beast is TOUGH.
I think its the intimidation factor... :ponder:

Post by **Grantness** » 14 Jul 2011, 12:11

Too bad spring-loaded knives (as in spring-propelled blade) like the Spetznaz(sp?) use are illegal. That'd be a cool backup.

Kinda hard w/ a one man crew, huh? Never fear though, no need to align that beast. The gas/pressure coming out of the barrel would probably either kill them, knock them out, or at least blow out their ears... :laugh:

Post by **jmz5** » 14 Jul 2011, 12:53

Benchmade.

flyingirish04 · Post by **flyingirish04** » 14 Jul 2011, 13:25

Grantness wrote:haha yea...Kimbers are always nice guns, but you pay too much for the name. In terms of actual functionality and accuracy at <15 yards I bet even a KelTec wouldn't be much worse... Ruger even better, but again u pay.

If anyone has (and want to keep ) a Kimber Solo, it was on the cover of Handloader magazine this month and there are some loads and info I can pass along...

Actually no, that wasn't my point, and the Solo is crazy accurate for a pocket pistol. Much more so than the Ruger, or Kel-Tec, or Kahr, or any of the pocket 380s I shot.

And Kimber isn't really overpriced. You get what you pay for. Custom Shops shoot better than guns three times their price.

What I am saying is that with this gun, typical retail of $599 before tax, it is a HELLUVA gun. But you can't get em because they are backordered. I got mine in the first run luckily and sold it on the open market when I learned the demand for over $900! To me, keeping a gun like that when I can get something else, or wait for it be more prevelant would be an opportunity cost that I couldn't abide. So I sold it. Already the price for them are dropping a bit as the guys that have to have them are buying them off.

I expect soon they will be back to retail. Then I will pick one up, only this time be $300 plus richer.

flyingirish04 · Post by **flyingirish04** » 14 Jul 2011, 13:28

Grantness wrote:Too bad spring-loaded knives (as in spring-propelled blade) like the Spetznaz(sp?) use are illegal. That'd be a cool backup.

Depends on the state. Legal in many. MT, ND, SD, WY, OR...etc.

I carry my Auto-Infidel here in NoDak.

Post by **Grantness** » 14 Jul 2011, 13:37

Cool! You know what im referring to right? ...literally shoots the blade several yards.

Website · Post by **jgreenberg01** » 14 Jul 2011, 13:39

I think he meant ballistic knives that actually propel the blade as a projectile. I carry my Ultratech auto OTF knife here in Florida, but ballistic knives are not legal here. A quick google search didn't reveal any state that does allow them, but then again my work computer blocks an awful lot of useful sites.

Edit: whoops, you beat me to it Grantness...

Post by **Grantness** » 14 Jul 2011, 13:54

flyingirish04 wrote: What I am saying is that with this gun, typical retail of $599 before tax, it is a HELLUVA gun. But you can't get em because they are backordered. I got mine in the first run luckily and sold it on the open market when I learned the demand for over $900! To me, keeping a gun like that when I can get something else, or wait for it be more prevelant would be an opportunity cost that I couldn't abide. So I sold it. Already the price for them are dropping a bit as the guys that have to have them are buying them off.

I expect soon they will be back to retail. Then I will pick one up, only this time be $300 plus richer.

Yea, I got what you were saying there, both points. I have no experience w/ the Solo...the whole accuracy thing was a bit tongue in cheek cause we're talking about backup/short range guns. I guess I was referring more to their 1911's as overpriced. Sure they're great guns, but you can get something just as accurate for cheaper.

Ariac · Post by **Ariac** » 14 Jul 2011, 14:03

Polish P-64 that I redid the springs on. It shoots 9mm mak.

flyingirish04 · Post by **flyingirish04** » 14 Jul 2011, 18:22

Grantness wrote:
flyingirish04 wrote: What I am saying is that with this gun, typical retail of $599 before tax, it is a HELLUVA gun. But you can't get em because they are backordered. I got mine in the first run luckily and sold it on the open market when I learned the demand for over $900! To me, keeping a gun like that when I can get something else, or wait for it be more prevelant would be an opportunity cost that I couldn't abide. So I sold it. Already the price for them are dropping a bit as the guys that have to have them are buying them off.

I expect soon they will be back to retail. Then I will pick one up, only this time be $300 plus richer.
Yea, I got what you were saying there, both points. I have no experience w/ the Solo...the whole accuracy thing was a bit tongue in cheek cause we're talking about backup/short range guns. I guess I was referring more to their 1911's as overpriced. Sure they're great guns, but you can get something just as accurate for cheaper.

You really can't. Not on the whole. Nothing really compares to a Kimber Custom Shop unless you want to spend 700 bucks more. The best springers and para suck in comparison.

But back to the ballistic knives, I can't find laws against them in ND or MT. Keep looking though.

Nickf150fx4 · Post by **Nickf150fx4** » 15 Jul 2011, 00:23

Is it bad I'm actually more accurate with my back up gun than my FsN :laugh: Tanfoglio witness elite match 9mm. Always keep a mag loaded with critical defense

flyingirish04 · Post by **flyingirish04** » 15 Jul 2011, 08:07

I think you are missing the definition of a BUG. It would be a secondary weapon carried on your person as a backup to your personal. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see the Witness fitting in a ankle or SOB holster. Who knows maybe you carry one on each hip.

Post by **Grantness** » 15 Jul 2011, 09:50

Well, u could use a belly-band (can be uncomfortable) or shoulder holster. Certainly could get away with it in winter I'm sure... but you're right Irish.... That's not really the point of a BUG. You want something small/concealable that's reliable and has a reasonable cartridge for its size. Remember, if its too big...u're going to be tempted to leave it at home...which defeats the purpose and does you no good.

fzr confused · Post by **fzr confused** » 15 Jul 2011, 12:12

my back up gun is either my wart hog .45 or my snub .357. wart hog goes in a cross draw holster (or just in my waist band or pocket) and the snub nose goes in my front right pocket.

Nickf150fx4 · Post by **Nickf150fx4** » 15 Jul 2011, 21:49

Of course I carry on each hip! You're telling me you dont? Next your gonna tell me you don't walk around in your level III vests as well :laugh: But seriously..when you said back up gun I took it as just being a gun you like to shoot if for whatever reason your FsN or main gun was unable or not with you.

Post by **Cyberfly** » 15 Jul 2011, 23:28

Your Tackleberry.

flyingirish04 · Post by **flyingirish04** » 16 Jul 2011, 09:11

Nickf150fx4 wrote:Of course I carry on each hip! You're telling me you dont? Next your gonna tell me you don't walk around in your level III vests as well :laugh: But seriously..when you said back up gun I took it as just being a gun you like to shoot if for whatever reason your FsN or main gun was unable or not with you.

That is what I thought you were saying. That's why I clarified. Helluva a BUG!

VeTTeMaNC486 · Post by **VeTTeMaNC486** » 16 Jul 2011, 13:18

When I do carry two, my backup is my keltec pf9 and my primary is a ruger sp101 2 1/4" 357. In the summer I usually just throw my pf9 in my shorts pocket and call it a day. I am contemplating upgrading to a Kahr pm40 (I don't like 9mm), but they seem expensive for what they are. When I carry the big guns, which is almost always my fnp45, sometimes a g21, I don't carry a BUG, but I do carry and extra mag.

srt-4_jon · Post by **srt-4_jon** » 16 Jul 2011, 13:24

I would hate 40 S&W recoil in such a small package.

VeTTeMaNC486 · Post by **VeTTeMaNC486** » 16 Jul 2011, 14:17

srt-4_jon wrote:I would hate 40 S&W recoil in such a small package.

Yes, it's probably pretty rough but I do not see it rougher than a max charge of h110 under a 158gr jhp out of my sp101, which is basically all I shoot out of it. I have so many hard recoiling guns, it really doesn't bother me anymore. Now follow up shots on the other hand... yeah I agree on that part.

fzr confused · Post by **fzr confused** » 16 Jul 2011, 14:35

the recoil wont be that bad out of it i wouldnt think. a BUG to me should be able to stop a threat quickly and effectively, recoil is lower on my concern list as it is a gun that to me "i would hate to need to use". now will it make a fun range gun? probably not the best, but after a few hundred rounds to prove reliability and also break in, it might not get shot that much. now, not all BUG in my mind need to be heavy in the recoil department and some (maybe even a lot) of them ARE fun range guns, just something that i personally do not take into account when deciding on a BUG. but i am also a person that likes hotter rounds and enjoys a little kick sometimes

nrv216 · Post by **nrv216** » 16 Jul 2011, 20:16

9mm. Kel tec pf9 stainless finish.

nrv216

cyberdemonbfg · Post by **cyberdemonbfg** » 18 Jul 2011, 04:46

Primary is a kimber Ultra cdpII or a newly acquired desert eagle 1911 commander.Backup to them is a seecamp .32.

Littlezipp · Post by **Littlezipp** » 20 Jul 2011, 20:00

9mm or better. .40 ideally.

Valorius · Post by **Valorius** » 17 Sep 2011, 15:40

Buffalo Barnes .380+P 80gr Solid Copper Hollow Point (SCHP) @1130fps from my Ruger LCP:

This same bullet is loaded by Corbon and Doubletap as well, but at much lower velocities.

srt-4_jon · Post by **srt-4_jon** » 17 Sep 2011, 16:01

I didnt think the LCP could handle +p?

Tachycardia · Post by **Tachycardia** » 17 Sep 2011, 16:40

CZ Rami 9mm

Valorius · Post by **Valorius** » 17 Sep 2011, 19:04

srt-4_jon wrote:I didnt think the LCP could handle +p?

Surprise.

the Buffalo Barnes .380+P SCHP definitely thumps with much greater authority (and velocity) than a typical .380 defensive round, but my LCP handles them fine, and they are very, very accurate.

With my LCP's Crimson Trace Laserguard sight i can group this round at 1" slow fire at 7yds, or about 2.5" rapid fire, same distance.

It's also a solid copper bullet, so it's the closest thing to a barrier blind expanding bullet we are ever likely to get from a .380 pocket pistol. Expansion of the 80gr Barnes SCHP is in the .65-.75" range in a large number of gel tests.

srt-4_jon · Post by **srt-4_jon** » 17 Sep 2011, 19:23

nice. I just read everywhere that ruger said to not shoot +p.

SeaHawkDriver-B · Post by **SeaHawkDriver-B** » 18 Sep 2011, 06:51

I carry a Sig P238 Equinox. Its not the best caliber but it fits in a wallet holster and is perfect for blue-jeans or shorts. Out of curisosity, how much bigger is the 9mm solo than the P238? I find that all the guns that "claim" to step up to 9mm are much larger than their .380 counterparts and don't really fit into your pocket, namely the PF9/PM9, LC9, and P290.

Valorius · Post by **Valorius** » 18 Sep 2011, 10:31

srt-4_jon wrote:nice. I just read everywhere that ruger said to not shoot +p.

Their legal department says not to. The gun however, fires them just fine.

SeaHawkDriver-B wrote:I carry a Sig P238 Equinox. Its not the best caliber but it fits in a wallet holster and is perfect for blue-jeans or shorts. Out of curisosity, how much bigger is the 9mm solo than the P238? I find that all the guns that "claim" to step up to 9mm are much larger than their .380 counterparts and don't really fit into your pocket, namely the PF9/PM9, LC9, and P290.

Buffalo Barnes .380+P will give your little P238 the same sort of muzzle energy and expansion as you'd normally get from a .38spl+P J frame or a short barreled super-compact 9mm firing 147gr bullets.

Post by **Reverend Herc** » 21 Sep 2011, 16:59

panzermk2 wrote:Well I should amend my post. As soon as my new CZ RAMI in 40S&W passes muster with EA +P 40S&W it will be my back up.

How do I get a few of those rounds?????????????????????

PM SENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cave · Post by **Cave** » 20 Oct 2011, 17:57

I seldom carry a bug but the NAA pug fits the bill nicely when it's needed. Accuracy was spot on at seven yards and it did a number on a couple of drenched phone books stacked on top of each other, actually it went through both and the 2x6 that I had them braced against.

smpsmp · Post by **smpsmp** » 28 Oct 2011, 21:40

My backup gun is interchangeable with the 1st I guess. Carry my P220 normally (now the beat around gun), and have an 870 behind the counter at work. I have been looking more and more at the S&W Bodyguard .380s, or a Ruger LCR (not a fan of the cylinder release on the Bodyguard .38).

SeaHawkDriver-B · Post by **SeaHawkDriver-B** » 29 Oct 2011, 04:59

Nice G30 'Cave'...

I carry a G29SF as a primary, and have a pair of matching G30SF's for bedside table guns, one for me, one for the wife, both with Viridian C5L's on them and 11 rd Pierce Grip mags, 200gr +P GDHP. My backup is a P238, as described above.

I'm a converted Glock fan. Ugly... A Brick.. Purely functional... Works every time. Perfect!

I've been thinking about an NAA in .22WRM as a tertiary gun, or an alternate secondary when I'm not carrying the Glock and using the Sig as a Primary. I'm of the school-of-though, that the .22 short that you brought, it better than the Desert Eagle .50 that you left at home.

haligan101 · Post by **haligan101** » 31 Oct 2011, 20:33

Kimber Raptor comander is main and if i carry a back up it is a Bonds Arms snake Layer with the winchester PDX 410 in it.

My wife carry's the new Walther 380 with Extreme Shock ammo in it

which caliber do u use as a back up handgun?

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