Someone explain the rules on the ss198 cartridge.
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Someone explain the rules on the ss198 cartridge.
I know the round is expensive, but if I were wanting a box, how do I go about getting some. I understand FN restricts sales to civilian but its not regulated by the ATF. Can someone explain? I know EA products would be better, but just want to possibly have a box.
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Anyone can own it. It's buying it that's tough. You'll have to pay the high prices set by the individuals who bought a couple cases at retail price if you are not LEO or military yourself. If you are, there are many places that will sell you a case with company/agency letterhead.
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Re: Someone explain the rules on the ss198 cartridge.
It sounds like you understand the rules. You "just" need to find a seller who has a supply and won't have that supply cut off by FN for selling to you.
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Re: Someone explain the rules on the ss198 cartridge.
So can I have my gunshop sell it to me?
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Re: Someone explain the rules on the ss198 cartridge.
Probably not.
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Re: Someone explain the rules on the ss198 cartridge.
Well damn that sucks. I guess I'll just keep my eyes open. i've only seen them on gunbroker.com for sale to civilians. Thanks for the heads up. Let me know if anyone hears anything differently.
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I got a case from a supplier and sold some on gunbroker at half of what they're going for now, but couldn't secure any more. I would try again since I have a valid Military ID, but all my funds have been going elsewhere.
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I thought seriously of offering to order some on behalf of the members, but couldn't bring myself to do it. This stuff is crap compared to what EA offers. Besides, it would have to be shipped to my residence, then REshipped to the members. Paying for shipping twice would make it unprofitable for folks.
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They can be very finicky. They even have a release that a dealer has to sign.
Sorta rediculous when you conisder what the round actually is / does.
Sorta rediculous when you conisder what the round actually is / does.
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All true statements. If you want a box to complete a collection, I can make you a better deal than Gunbroker. Otherwise, Get some EA.
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I know what they're good for!
Sending to EA and getting them refilled into something useful! :lmao:
Sending to EA and getting them refilled into something useful! :lmao:
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what is so special about the ss198? is it more like the ss190 or something?
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Re: Someone explain the rules on the ss198 cartridge.
I believe that FN specifically engineered the SS198 as a training cartridge for those who regularly carry SS190. The exterior ballistics (bullet drop) are supposed to be closer to the SS190 than the SS195 is.
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Re: Someone explain the rules on the ss198 cartridge.
The SS198 is the SS195 projectile on top of a few more grains of powder, giving it a couple hundred feet per second increase in muzzle velocity over the SS195.
Also, it's ballistic trajectory is supposed to be nearly identical to the SS190, making it a cheaper alternative to train with for those with access to the 190.
Also, it's ballistic trajectory is supposed to be nearly identical to the SS190, making it a cheaper alternative to train with for those with access to the 190.
Re: Someone explain the rules on the ss198 cartridge.
A couple tenths of a grain...Wollychop wrote:The SS198 is the SS195 projectile on top of a few more grains of powder, giving it a couple hundred feet per second increase in muzzle velocity over the SS195.
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awesome...so basically its almost the EA S4?
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ferret - oops, thanks for the correction
fzr, no, the S4 is much faster.
fzr, no, the S4 is much faster.
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The EA S4 is basically the pinnacle of 5.7 cartridges. If you can get it, do it. Its amazing.
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i have a few boxes of S4's sitting in my ammo cabinet . i asked if it was like the S4 because they both use the same projectile and it was said that the 198 was a few hundred fps faster than the 195 and the S4 is 2-300fps faster than it as well. i cant wait to get my 57 back so i can blast off some of these rounds!
Re: Someone explain the rules on the ss198 cartridge.
yep....like everyone else said: the SS198 is only good if u want to collect the various rounds. Otherwise, its cheaper and better to get the S4 SuperRaptor. Or you can take up reloading and make your own SS198 equivalents (or better) for the price of a box of SS195s and a few grains of powder.
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10ths of a grain
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Poor ferret! He's trying so hard!
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I just don't want to see any blown up guns... I've seen too many in the past 6 months.
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ehhem.... I said grains because I assumed people would not be mixing factory powder with comercial TB. I also said grains because TB is not the only powder you can use
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MrSlippyFist wrote:All true statements. If you want a box to complete a collection, I can make you a better deal than Gunbroker. Otherwise, Get some EA.
Hey slippy, do you still have a box left? I would want one for my personal collection!
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Search GB. The last lots I am going to sell are there. I would have sold it here, but I am real hard up for money at the moment. I still listed it at half the price of those other a$$holes.
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The irony is the SS198 Sucks dog balls.
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Believe me everyone, I have already made a purchase of some ELITE :thumb: Just waiting for it to arrive.
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What we really need is for EA to submit some S4 to University of TN and have the Body Farm staff get to the bottom line. That, to be blunt, is the only reality check for any ammo. "Real life" shootings have nonscientists adding hyperbole and no mention of organs/ status hit. A bladder full is nothing nothing like an empty bladder struck. Rounds need to be tested under controls and this is the world's only place that is equipped to do so. Gell is nothing like a body where bone bounces a bullet through airspace before entering muscle. I have the same strong feelings as everyone does, but without validation it is meaningless. The Massad used 22's for a long time. None of us would carry that on duty. Again-- UT Body Farm. I can assure you, with their published data we'd lose Lisa when she became a millionaire and bought her Learjet and left for a perpetual worldwide vacation after selling the company to the rest of us via the stock market.
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NO!!
I'd miss Lisa...
Wait. She could just take me with her! :p
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Wait. She could just take me with her! :p
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If were to submit some of our ammo to univ of TN: would they do the testing just for the science sake? Or would there be a heafty fee?fatherfoof wrote:What we really need is for EA to submit some S4 to University of TN and have the Body Farm staff get to the bottom line. That, to be blunt, is the only reality check for any ammo. "Real life" shootings have nonscientists adding hyperbole and no mention of organs/ status hit. A bladder full is nothing nothing like an empty bladder struck. Rounds need to be tested under controls and this is the world's only place that is equipped to do so. Gell is nothing like a body where bone bounces a bullet through airspace before entering muscle. I have the same strong feelings as everyone does, but without validation it is meaningless. The Massad used 22's for a long time. None of us would carry that on duty. Again-- UT Body Farm. I can assure you, with their published data we'd lose Lisa when she became a millionaire and bought her Learjet and left for a perpetual worldwide vacation after selling the company to the rest of us via the stock market.
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They do contract work for the govt., but when the staff wants to publish, they run pet projects. Being the "Name" if you will, they have a huge staff and budget. It's the Forensic Anthropology Center at UT Department of Anthropology
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If one of the guys requested testing on a new round and put it on LE agency letterhead they just might evaluate it. With published results from them, EA would grow to major league.
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fatherfoof wrote: The Massad used 22's for a long time. None of us would carry that on duty.
True but it's all about shot placement. Massad like the Chicago Mob to pop you behind your ear with that pesky little 22.
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But then, unfortunately, we would no longer be able to purchase it w/o a letterhead.fatherfoof wrote:
If one of the guys requested testing on a new round and put it on LE agency letterhead they just might evaluate it. With published results from them, EA would grow to major league.
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Don't worry we always have something, including if they ban the 5.7x28.
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Re: Someone explain the rules on the ss198 cartridge.
ChuckD wrote:The EA S4 is basically the pinnacle of 5.7 cartridges. If you can get it, do it. Its amazing.
Possible dumb question: Why couldn't I get it?
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He's probably talking about the expense of getting it. It isn't cheap, but it is worth it.
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Yup Fuzzy, I was, the expenses and the time concerning the wait.
I'm probably going to order some more here soon for christmas
I'm probably going to order some more here soon for christmas
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If you wanted some for Christmas you probably should have ordered it around the beginning of November
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He could still lay his order confirmation under the tree.
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Nowadays that kind of paper is pretty exciting.jmz5 wrote:He could still lay his order confirmation under the tree.
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heh, I know it wont be in for christmas, but it gives me something to look forward too considering work has picked back up and I figured out what my grades for the semester were, plus, half of everything I've got myself for christmas wont be in till afterwards anyway so oh well
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Get your grades before ordering from EA, I think they used to give discounts for good grades. Don't know for sure though.
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I already got my grades, got em today....now only if lisa, jay, mo, or vi was here to comment on the good grades discount haha
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$24.99 a box @ http://sgcusa.com/index.php?cPath=3_27& ... lter_id=78" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. You still need the proper credentials to purchase.
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