2012 Elections

Shaokhano · Post by **Shaokhano** » 08 Apr 2011, 19:18

I'm just wondering what direction is everyone going in? I myself would love to Trump run and win. I think he would be great for the economy, he probably has a hell of a lot better foreign experience, and he seems like he wouldn't back down form anything that could possibly threaten America.

Post by **f3rr37** » 08 Apr 2011, 21:05

Not really sure yet, don't know if I want to see Trump run.

I'll tell you who WON'T be getting elected:

romer522 · Post by **romer522** » 08 Apr 2011, 22:20

The only question I have on trump is whether he is actually principled or just pretending to be, will be hard for him to prove it.

Post by **Rapier1772** » 08 Apr 2011, 22:33

At about the 2:30 mark, he is talking about how disturbed people are going to be after the gov shuts down. Maybe it is the conspiracy theorist in me but anyone think that may be the plan to get things through on the budget that otherwise might not make it?

Here is why I think this:
The bailout - rushed through without oversight and with so much paperwork that no one could fully read/edit it in the time allowed.
obama care - pushed through without oversight and with so much paperwork that no one could fully read/edit it in the time allowed.

Budget? No time left... Any bets on a repeat of the other fiascoes of this administration?

Glad Jim Moran is not from Idaho :furious:

ok, nevermind - looks like they pulled it out & cut the budget $38bil. I still have to finish reading the story to see how much good that is...

firestorm248 · Post by **firestorm248** » 08 Apr 2011, 23:07

Personally I would go Mitt Romney or Trump

Post by **f3rr37** » 08 Apr 2011, 23:12

firestorm248 wrote:Personally I would go Mitt Romney or Trump

Neither of those two are on the top of my list... we need someone who is more of a Libertarian to bring us back to our roots so that we can get the ship back in shape.

Post by **panzermk2** » 08 Apr 2011, 23:13

Michele Bachmann

Post by **f3rr37** » 08 Apr 2011, 23:14

panzermk2 wrote:Michele Bachmann

Yes, she would make a great candidate.

Shaokhano · Post by **Shaokhano** » 09 Apr 2011, 04:19

What about Herman Cain.

http://www.hermancain.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Davidlee · Post by **Davidlee** » 09 Apr 2011, 06:46

+1 Michele Bachmann and Mr. Cain would be a good one also. :agree:

Shaokhano · Post by **Shaokhano** » 09 Apr 2011, 06:51

I believe either way we whoever it is we should unit and support the candid. Not like what happened with McCain.

iFire · Post by **iFire** » 09 Apr 2011, 07:20

Shaokhano wrote:I believe either way we whoever it is we should unit and support the candid. Not like what happened with McCain.

I think I would unite in supporting an intelligent monkey - but mind you, only an intelligent one :monkey:

just get BHO out

iFire · Post by **iFire** » 09 Apr 2011, 07:45

f3rr37 wrote:Not really sure yet, don't know if I want to see Trump run.

I'll tell you who WON'T be getting elected:

This makes me angry. I have way more respect for the vet than Moran...

Post by **Rapier1772** » 09 Apr 2011, 08:12

iFire wrote:I think I would unite in supporting an intelligent monkey - but mind you, only an intelligent one :monkey:
just get BHO out

Dexter 2012!
(Meaning Dexter the Capuchin from the Night at the Museum movies)

Post by **Cyberfly** » 09 Apr 2011, 08:41

McCain was a progressive too. Just a progressive lite.

iFire · Post by **iFire** » 09 Apr 2011, 10:41

Rapier1772 wrote: Dexter 2012!
(Meaning Dexter the Capuchin from the Night at the Museum movies)

:thumb:

Shaokhano · Post by **Shaokhano** » 09 Apr 2011, 19:41

I'd rather vote for Steven from Your Highness. Just got back from seeing it and it was probably the funniest movie I've seen sense Tropic Thunder. Defiantly not for kid's though.

Post by **M1P90** » 11 Apr 2011, 05:00

:clap: Allen West!!!! He will kick Obamao's Donkey's behind!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mf33LIE ... re=related" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

murphies_finest · Post by **murphies_finest** » 11 Apr 2011, 05:43

as always

Al Sharpton!

Post by **Cyberfly** » 11 Apr 2011, 06:02

I'd vote for Allen West!
The man has character, backbone, honor and he knows how to LEAD!
IOW, he's everything our current CIC ISN'T!

Ospy · Post by **Ospy** » 14 Apr 2011, 14:52

I like Trump but I doubt he'll win the republican knod for two reasons. Primarily; he comes off angry. Angry maniacal candidates never make the cut. Secondarily, this whole birth certificate thing makes him look like a loon. I really DO think he'd be good for the country though. Drill baby drill!

romer522 · Post by **romer522** » 14 Apr 2011, 15:02

I'm almost thinking Trump is just positioning for a VP spot, in all reality what he would be good at is communicating the issues with the american people in a way they aren't used to the president doing, and it might be a good thing to have him in a position where he can go spout off a bit more and still have the business side of him in the loop.

Prepper · Post by **Prepper** » 14 Apr 2011, 15:11

romer522 wrote:I'm almost thinking Trump is just positioning for a VP spot, in all reality what he would be good at is communicating the issues with the american people in a way they aren't used to the president doing, and it might be a good thing to have him in a position where he can go spout off a bit more and still have the business side of him in the loop.

At least he wouldn't fall asleep while the President was giving a speech - heck Trump would probably interrupt the President.

"You're fired!"

Ospy · Post by **Ospy** » 14 Apr 2011, 15:54

Prepper wrote:
romer522 wrote:I'm almost thinking Trump is just positioning for a VP spot, in all reality what he would be good at is communicating the issues with the american people in a way they aren't used to the president doing, and it might be a good thing to have him in a position where he can go spout off a bit more and still have the business side of him in the loop.
At least he wouldn't fall asleep while the President was giving a speech - heck Trump would probably interrupt the President.

"You're fired!"

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Post by **panzermk2wife** » 14 Apr 2011, 19:16

I can't get passed Trumps very bad hair.

I mean really, he has all that freaking money and he could not get something better.... :laugh:

Okay back to the conversation at hand

Yes, I hijacked a thread for a moment

Prepper · Post by **Prepper** » 14 Apr 2011, 20:18

I heard that Taurus is coming out with a new pistol in honor of the Wisconsin Democrats. It's called The Union Worker...

It doesn't work and you can't fire it! :laugh:

Post by **Rapier1772** » 14 Apr 2011, 20:37

Prepper wrote:I heard that Taurus is coming out with a new pistol in honor of the Wisconsin Democrats. It's called The Union Worker...
It doesn't work and you can't fire it! :laugh:

:lmao:

CenCalSplicer · Post by **CenCalSplicer** » 18 Apr 2011, 04:15

All this talk about trump and all I can think of is:

He won't want to fill out the financial disclosure. My .02. I'll be very surprised if he does throw his hat in the race.

Post by **f3rr37** » 18 Apr 2011, 17:26

From his recent comments on health care and taxes... you can count me out on Trump.

Post by **Rapier1772** » 18 Apr 2011, 21:52

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_newsroom/ ... e-fast-fix" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Apparently bho's new buzz word this time around is "compassion" - playing on who/what we (as a country) would like to be seen as.

Shaokhano · Post by **Shaokhano** » 19 Apr 2011, 15:59

Well here goes Trump's chances.

What I would to say here is "WOW! even a crazy man can see he would be good for the country." That's what I want to, but with Gary's endorsement the new age population. Will say look Gary's voting for him nope I'm go with BHO cause he has the cast of jersey shore endorsing him.

Post by **Cyberfly** » 20 Apr 2011, 06:31

Oh boy.
Yup.
You're right. He's fooked. Best thing that ever happened to Bam Bam was having Busey start campaigning for Trump.
Good thing we have people like Allen West still out there. I hope he tosses his hat in the ring so we can have a SERIOUS contender for the White House.

murphies_finest · Post by **murphies_finest** » 20 Apr 2011, 07:56

Shaokhano wrote:Well here goes Trump's chances.

What I would to say here is "WOW! even a crazy man can see he would be good for the country." That's what I want to, but with Gary's endorsement the new age population. Will say look Gary's voting for him nope I'm go with BHO cause he has the cast of jersey shore endorsing him.

I met gary on R&R in the Dallas airport he was drunk as hell, but very friendly shook our hands and and told us good job I will sya this he is tall! as hell! and big!

Post by **Reverend Herc** » 20 Apr 2011, 15:46

f3rr37 wrote:
panzermk2 wrote:Michele Bachmann
Yes, she would make a great candidate.

:agree: :agree: :agree:

Shaokhano · Post by **Shaokhano** » 21 Apr 2011, 23:06

I know I should go ahead and block MSNBC from my TV but I just can't help myself. I love watching it and trying to understand how hardcore Dem's think. I swear it's almost funnier than Comedy Central. Anyway they are really pushing hard against Trump and to be honest the more I hear him talk the more I'm falling in love with the idea. So right now there big thing is he should get off the birth certificate issue it makes him look bad, he should be talking about economy and jobs yadda yadda yadda. So I'm curious about your opinion's should he get off the birth issue right now and focus on serious issues or should he take this fight in the mud and use ever dirty underhanded trick in the book to beat this (Insert personal favorite term for BHO here). Which I still say McCain could of won if he would of done that, but no he held his head up high and took the high road because he believed in the American people to do the right thing (IDIOT). O well I'm just curious what you think.

Post by **Cyberfly** » 23 Apr 2011, 11:30

Trump isn't stupid.
He's probably got his own PROOF or he wouldn't keep beating the horse.
Do you think that with the resources he has, he hasn't already proved it before he brought it up?
That's MY thoughts anyway.
But again, what does it matter. They (the Demoncrats) would either try to pass an Amendment to the Constitution to allow a foreign born to be prez or, WORSE, make Joe Biden prez.

Post by **Rapier1772** » 26 Apr 2011, 21:28

TheOtherDave · Post by **TheOtherDave** » 26 Apr 2011, 22:39

Where did Donald Trump come from? Until a couple days ago, I thought everyone viewed him as some clown who keeps filing bankruptcy and likes to fire people. When did he become a politician?

Post by **Rapier1772** » 27 Apr 2011, 03:46

TheOtherDave wrote:Where did Donald Trump come from? Until a couple days ago, I thought everyone viewed him as some clown who keeps filing bankruptcy and likes to fire people. When did he become a politician?

I can't answer that because I still view him as some clown who keeps filing bankruptcy and likes to fire people. But then I haven't done any research on him nor have I paid attention to anything he has said/done in several years...

Post by **Cyberfly** » 27 Apr 2011, 04:38

I still want Allen West to run.
Somebody twist his arm, please?!

drinksabit · Post by **drinksabit** » 27 Apr 2011, 07:55

Cyberfly wrote:I still want Allen West to run.
Somebody twist his arm, please?!

+1 :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

drinksabit · Post by **drinksabit** » 27 Apr 2011, 08:20

If this is real, what was the problem with showing it eariler?

http://www.foxnews.com/interactive/poli ... rtificate/

Post by **Rapier1772** » 27 Apr 2011, 09:15

drinksabit wrote:If this is real, what was the problem with showing it eariler?
http://www.foxnews.com/interactive/poli ... rtificate/

It took a while to forge it :laugh:

It wouldn't surprise me if it was a publicity stunt. Big controversy that was never truly settled, people coming forward supposedly with proof that he was born elsewhere, now with the long form made public all those nay-sayers are discreditted.

Post by **Cyberfly** » 27 Apr 2011, 10:25

I wonder if anybody were to actually go and look up the 'number' of this particular birth certificate and see if it matches HIS?

Post by **panzermk2** » 27 Apr 2011, 12:56

It took time to create a good forgery and make sure all the paperwork was in place to support it.

flyingirish04 · Post by **flyingirish04** » 27 Apr 2011, 13:15

Mitch Daniels is the real deal. I hope he runs. I will work my tail off on his campaign. He is the only guy I am excited about on the republican side. I would vote for others, I just don't really think they have a great shot to win. Daniels just needs a way to get his name out there. I feel once people see his real record and his real plan to tackle the deficit, Obama wouldnt stand a chance

fatherfoof · Post by **fatherfoof** » 27 Apr 2011, 13:55

Here we go again... still endorsing Fly for King of North America.

murphies_finest · Post by **murphies_finest** » 27 Apr 2011, 14:10

Al Sharpton FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jesse Jackson for VP!!!!!!!!

David Duke Secretary of State.

CenCalSplicer · Post by **CenCalSplicer** » 27 Apr 2011, 14:59

Everybody pays so much attention to this birther crap and it takes attention away from other issues that dems really want to push through silently. Watching Beck the other night he said that Van Jones was working with some hippie libtard group in SF that was seeking to give mother nature "civil rights". Groups like this are at the core of the problems with this country. They start rediculous campaigns to stifle American prosperity under the guise of protecting mother nature until American companies can't do business here. The saddest part about it is our current adminsitration embraces these folks giving the EPA reason to stop oil/gas exploration. Oil and gas today, logging tomorrow and hunting right in the future. It may not ever happen but the EPA just gave one major oil company (Shell) a big middle finger after they spent 4 billion and 5 years to look for gas and oil in Alaska.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/04/25/en ... ng-denial/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This hits closer to home than birther issues.

Post by **f3rr37** » 27 Apr 2011, 17:37

CenCalSplicer wrote:Everybody pays so much attention to this birther crap and it takes attention away from other issues that dems really want to push through silently. Watching Beck the other night he said that Van Jones was working with some hippie libtard group in SF that was seeking to give mother nature "civil rights". Groups like this are at the core of the problems with this country. They start rediculous campaigns to stifle American prosperity under the guise of protecting mother nature until American companies can't do business here. The saddest part about it is our current adminsitration embraces these folks giving the EPA reason to stop oil/gas exploration. Oil and gas today, logging tomorrow and hunting right in the future. It may not ever happen but the EPA just gave one major oil company (Shell) a big middle finger after they spent 4 billion and 5 years to look for gas and oil in Alaska.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/04/25/en ... ng-denial/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This hits closer to home than birther issues.

You hit the nail on the head. I'm getting tired of the birther crap as well... as Chuck found out today when he brought it up to me. :p

CenCalSplicer · Post by **CenCalSplicer** » 27 Apr 2011, 18:55

HAHAHAHAHA

Post by **Cyberfly** » 28 Apr 2011, 06:29

We need somebody who will have the balls big enough to tell the libtards 'NO', and American Industry 'YES' so we can get our economy rolling again.
I just hope and pray to god that it isn't too late to un-do all that has been done...
Padre, I wouldn't stand a ghosts chance in Hades. IF the American people were stupid enough to send me up there, the first thing I'd do is stand idiots like Pelosi, Frank and Reid up against the wall and put a 10MM vent hole through their cranium. Either that or I'd make dadgum sure that they could all be held CRIMINALLY responsible for their actions over the last decade or two.
Yeah, that would probably be the safest course of action. I wouldn't want to go to prison over idiots like them.

flyingirish04 · Post by **flyingirish04** » 28 Apr 2011, 11:35

Fly, check out Mitch Daniels. I think he is right up your alley.

Post by **Rapier1772** » 28 Apr 2011, 14:51

WTF? Those %^&heads over at photobucket pulled the birthcert pic! There was nothing wrong with it. Must be bho supporters :skep: Funny that the left they other one though... Must not have made the connection :laugh: Ok, well I doubt imgur will care.

Shaokhano · Post by **Shaokhano** » 28 Apr 2011, 20:50

I thought hat belonged in the appropriate humor section.

Post by **Rapier1772** » 28 Apr 2011, 21:09

Shaokhano wrote:I thought hat belonged in the appropriate humor section.

Politicians are jokes so its pretty much the same thing

Shaokhano · Post by **Shaokhano** » 28 Apr 2011, 21:42

That's just cold hearted politicians are real people. They have real concern's in life like; How will I get the tax payers to pay my bills?, How will I get reelected/(hired to do nothing yet make it seem like i'm doing something)? and the most important question every politician axe's themselves is "How am I going to stay out of jail?" So you see they are real people with real concerns. Just because Poly means Many and a Tic it a blood sucking creature. Well that has nothing to do with anything.

Llagoud · Post by **Llagoud** » 29 Apr 2011, 03:31

Cyberfly wrote:I still want Allen West to run.
Somebody twist his arm, please?!

:thumb: Yeah buddy.

Here is a clip (14:46) of his recent radio interview with Glenn:

Post by **Cyberfly** » 29 Apr 2011, 05:15

Loved that little trick at the end.
Wish we could hold him to that though...

rocketsurgery · Post by **rocketsurgery** » 29 Apr 2011, 19:34

http://www.accuracy.org/release/big-oil ... n-revenue/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

“ExxonMobil and Shell today announced skyrocketing profits, as did BP yesterday, and as Chevron will tomorrow. The reason is simple: Prices at the gas pump are jumping, even though the cost of drilling hasn’t changed for the giant integrated firms. Big Oil is able to pocket the difference — at the direct expense of consumers.

“Beneficiaries of such a windfall certainly should not be the recipients of billions in government subsidies.

ABC News is reporting today: “Exxon Mobil and Royal Dutch Shell today reported first-quarter profit increases of 69 percent and 30 percent, respectively, from the same period last year. With rising gas and oil prices, analysts expected the five biggest oil companies — with Exxon as the largest — to report that they are swimming in revenue.”

AP is reporting: “Venezuela is imposing a windfall profits tax on royalties from oil projects when crude prices are above $40 a barrel, seeking to squeeze as much as $16 billion mostly out of foreign oil companies, the government said Tuesday.”

Not to draw a conclusion or anything, but if Venezuela is imposing a tax on profits after some point, and we're subsidizing profits with no minimum: we're basically giving our tax revenues/borrowed money directly to Cuba if we subsidize. That's in addition to actually buying their product.

Seems like the only one getting the middle finger is me.

Post by **f3rr37** » 29 Apr 2011, 22:01

rocketsurgery wrote:http://www.accuracy.org/release/big-oil ... n-revenue/

“ExxonMobil and Shell today announced skyrocketing profits, as did BP yesterday, and as Chevron will tomorrow. The reason is simple: Prices at the gas pump are jumping, even though the cost of drilling hasn’t changed for the giant integrated firms. Big Oil is able to pocket the difference — at the direct expense of consumers.

“Beneficiaries of such a windfall certainly should not be the recipients of billions in government subsidies.

ABC News is reporting today: “Exxon Mobil and Royal Dutch Shell today reported first-quarter profit increases of 69 percent and 30 percent, respectively, from the same period last year. With rising gas and oil prices, analysts expected the five biggest oil companies — with Exxon as the largest — to report that they are swimming in revenue.”

AP is reporting: “Venezuela is imposing a windfall profits tax on royalties from oil projects when crude prices are above $40 a barrel, seeking to squeeze as much as $16 billion mostly out of foreign oil companies, the government said Tuesday.”
Not to draw a conclusion or anything, but if Venezuela is imposing a tax on profits after some point, and we're subsidizing profits with no minimum: we're basically giving our tax revenues/borrowed money directly to Cuba if we subsidize. That's in addition to actually buying their product.

Seems like the only one getting the middle finger is me.

You're kidding right? Can you show me where the US Government is subsidizing the oil industry?

It doesn't. The only one making huge profits on oil is the State and Federal Government.

Here's the breakdown for California
http://energyalmanac.ca.gov/gasoline/margins/index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
State Underground Storage Tank Fee: $0.02
State and Local Sales Tax: $0.12
State Excise Tax: $0.35
Federal Excise Tax: $0.18
Total Taxes: $0.67/gal

Yep, that's right, the government takes in 15.8% of the cost per gallon (at $4.22/gal in CA).

If by "subsidizing" you mean, they're letting them keep more of the money they earn through tax cuts and the ability to write off expenses like normal business... that isn't subsidizing, that is not taking money that they someone else earned.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subsidy#Overview" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
"A subsidy is money given by a government to help support a business or person the market does not support."

Here's a good read: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/exxon-e ... uge-taxes/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

rocketsurgery · Post by **rocketsurgery** » 01 May 2011, 16:54

Thanks for the link, Ferrel. Reading comprehension fail on my part.

:facepalm:

Shaokhano · Post by **Shaokhano** » 02 May 2011, 20:38

Well sense BHO officially killed ObL with his own two hands, I don't think we really need to have elections anymore it's pretty clear we need to just go ahead and make him king for life. (I need one bourbon, one scotch, and one beer)

Post by **jmz5** » 03 May 2011, 04:00

Shaokhano wrote:Well sense BHO officially killed ObL with his own two hands, I don't think we really need to have elections anymore it's pretty clear we need to just go ahead and make him king for life. (I need one bourbon, one scotch, and one beer)

Best post ever. :lmao:

VeTTeMaNC486 · Post by **VeTTeMaNC486** » 05 May 2011, 07:18

Shaokhano wrote:Well sense BHO officially killed ObL with his own two hands, I don't think we really need to have elections anymore it's pretty clear we need to just go ahead and make him king for life. (I need one bourbon, one scotch, and one beer)

When I went to school Monday to get registered for this summer semester there was somebody riding around with "Who killed Osama? Obama killed Osama!!" all over their car windows. I wanted to tell them no he didn't.

flyingirish04 · Post by **flyingirish04** » 05 May 2011, 07:20

In fact, he almost let him get away.

Shaokhano · Post by **Shaokhano** » 05 May 2011, 18:07

The sad part is that isn't the way the dem's/lib's see it. They won't look at everything Bush did to get us there. All they know is Hussein was in the office when it happened and he all but said I put the bullet in his head. The dem's and lib's won't think about the CIA officer that gathered the intelligence that lead the navy Seal's that had to go ungodly amount of training to do there job not to mention I'm sure the Army had to do a little extra work to keep the al-Cutie guy busy and let's not forget the badass predator drone's that probably made one hell of an assault. Nope all they know is the hussein did it all. Now the question is are we going the conservative minded people going to stand up and say HADES NO and elect someone worth a damn or we just going to let them pick our candidate again like they picked McCain.

Post by **f3rr37** » 05 May 2011, 19:45

We're done with the Osama threads, please don't hijack.

Shaokhano · Post by **Shaokhano** » 07 May 2011, 10:52

My bad

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