SCAR 17s Optic thoughts?

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Re: SCAR 17s Optic thoughts?

Post by Aug312 » 14 Jan 2011, 06:54

has anyone heard of valada scopes? im checking them out right now. probably wouldnt buy it for the price but the eye relief is nice.

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Re: SCAR 17s Optic thoughts?

Post by srt-4_jon » 14 Jan 2011, 07:43

Cyberfly wrote:Even if they 'do' outlaw them, they'll have to grandfather the existing ones.
Otherwise, they would have scooped up all of the existing MG's that were out there in 1986, dontchathink?
The gov can do whatever they want. Look at the people that had bought Atkin Accelerator stocks when they were legal. Grandfathering things in is nice but not necessary.

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Re: SCAR 17s Optic thoughts?

Post by SeaHawkDriver-B » 15 Jan 2011, 22:14

The only reason they have to grandfather things like SBR's is becuase of Constitutional Ex Post Facto protection. I.e. you can't instantly become a criminal becuase of an existing condition that was in effect before the law passed.

However, they have "gathered up guns" in lots of places in the world before, and they way they legally get around Ex Post Facto is with a "grace period".... meaning you have a reasonable period in which to come into compliance with the law without fear of prosecution. Lawyers, law-makers, corrupt bureaucrats, and dictators have been doing things like that for centuries.

I recently filled out a 5320.20 Form because I am moving my SBR's up to another state... you know, this whole military career thing isn't very Form 1- friendly. It really irks me that one has to endure the intentional infringement of 2nd amendment rights by going through the Form 1 process, and then you have to bend over again just to take the stupid thing anywhere.

I think I'll SBR a SCAR if the factory finally releases NFA barrels for them. On the FN forum, someone posted a while ago that the gas ports are specifically tuned with some sort of insert dependant on the barrel length; simply cutting and threading (the chrome chipping is another issue) will cause significant cycling issues.

I have a lurking suspicion that SBR's, SBS's, AOW's, and Suppressors will go the same way that full-autos did in the 1980's. I think it was back in the late 1930s that you had to go through an extensive 'process' to get your hands on a full auto... and then in the 1980's they just grandfathered all the old ones in, and completely deleted any chance of ever obtaining a new one. Same thing will eventually happen to SBR's.. just a matter of time before the socialists will need to start confiscating weapons.

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Re: SCAR 17s Optic thoughts?

Post by Vafrum » 17 Jan 2011, 06:59

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Re: SCAR 17s Optic thoughts?

Post by type5 » 23 Jan 2011, 19:32

I purchased two sights for my SCAR 17 with ranging reticles.
EoTech 552XR308 which I have in hand and an Elcan SpecterDR 7.62 1-4X which I will mail the order for tomorrow. I also ordered a PVS14 which sould be here late this coming week or next week. I will be playing with these this winter and spring to see who they work with the NV, I really do not know if the ranging sights will prove worth it or not.

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Re: SCAR 17s Optic thoughts?

Post by tombirdman » 15 Feb 2011, 20:27

Rapier1772 wrote:Sorry Aug, really cant help you. I just got my 1st 308 & I have even shot it yet.

SeaHawk - where did you get a Specter DR? I have been looking for one & they are never in stock. Can't even backorder one :wall: :wall:

SWFA has them. That's where I got mine. They are in stock,expensive but in stock.

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Re: SCAR 17s Optic thoughts?

Post by tombirdman » 15 Feb 2011, 20:33

flyingirish04 wrote:I have never heard one bad thing about Elcan's, and ACOG makes optics for 7.62 autos that I have personally used and liked, so no worries there. The only SpecterDR I have used is the 1-4x with the 5.56 reticle. It was nothing short of amazing in low light shooting and had the best optics of a tactical sight I have ever seen. Have not use the 6x version that seahawk has posted, but I have team guy friends that are using it and they told me there is no comparison.

Also, if you are worried about eye relief, that Vortex will be worse than the Elcan for sure simply due to its objective size.

To put it bluntly, there is nothing better on the market for a variable power tactical scope than the SpecterDR. Nothing. I would love to see exactly what your source had to say about it. Possible that he was speaking of their earlier scopes commonly used on 240B an 249s. Those in fact had several issues in relation to eye relief and low light shooting. Elcan designed the SpecterDR to address those issues.

On a final note, my brother had a hard time taking back his personally owned SpecterDR from his last deployment. Luckily his S-4 wrote a note to cover for him with customs. I had to DHL my EOTech's and extra mags back from Iraq when I was deployed in 06-07. APO over there would not ship it back for me. Just an FYI.

I read a review that said that with the Speter DR, would change point of impact when the power was changed - just not so. Not with mine !

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Re: SCAR 17s Optic thoughts?

Post by tombirdman » 15 Feb 2011, 20:38

SeaHawkDriver-B wrote:Have you looked into the 6-48x ACOG MGO 7.62 with an RMR mounted on top? Would be my second choice, and is comparably priced. Its a big scope, but the SCAR is a big gun.
I too was going to go that route but the weight is horrible. I called Trijicon about it and they said it was to heavy for a rifle and that it was meant for MGs.
It is a fixed 6x, the ELCAN is a 1.5x to 6x. I like that !

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Re: SCAR 17s Optic thoughts?

Post by tombirdman » 16 Feb 2011, 15:44

Aug312 wrote:Weight isnt going to be an issue, but I'm still a bit skeptical...
With the price tag im wondering if a 4x32 ACOG wouldnt be a bad choice.
I'd go 5.5x but they seem kinda funky looking and looks are 70% of the battle


I think, in ACOGS for 308, you are limited to the 3.5, 5.5 and 6 power .

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Re: SCAR 17s Optic thoughts?

Post by tombirdman » 20 Feb 2011, 21:17

SeaHawkDriver-B wrote:Hope you make it through your deployment safely, don't forget to remove the fingernail clippers from your pocket on the charter flight home, don't want TSA throwing you into the re-education camp...er... jail.

I'm doing the same thing, leaving for deployment this June, be gone the rest of the year. Before I leave, I'm picking up a SCAR 17 and putting in the Form 1 paperwork for the SBR, and for a Gemtech Sandstorm, when I come home, I'm going have a suppressed 17-CQC waiting for me. :)
My optic of choice is none other than this....

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f you don't feel like dropping more than the cost of the SCAR itself on the optic, it might not be for you, but for me, its just too bad-azz to not to have on a 7.62 SCAR. Plus it comes with a match 7.62 reticle, integrated adjustable red-dot, and 6x power for the additional range the 308 demands over the 5.56.
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The Elcan Spectre DR 1.5 x 6 is , basically, a 6x scope with the added option of bringing it down to 1.5x for closeup but it was designed as a 6x scope.

Although point of impact between the 2 settings shouldn't happen, and doesn't often, sight it in for 6x and you will be OK in both powers.

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Post by srt-4_jon » 20 Feb 2011, 23:10

On a side note, why is the selector switch in between "safe" and "semi"?

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Post by panzermk2 » 21 Feb 2011, 15:06

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Re: SCAR 17s Optic thoughts?

Post by SeaHawkDriver-B » 22 Feb 2011, 05:31

Something to note with the Spectre DR's, is that the 1x mode is NOT a reflex sight. That means you need perfect cheek-weld, and perfect eye relief when operating in the 1x mode. For those of you used to Aimpoints and Eotechs, its a big disappointment, becuase no-longer are you operating in 'both eyes open' mode and allowed to adjust your head movement when moving.

For me, it is a big turnoff when mounting this on an SBR... the Aimpoint or Eotech with a flip-up magnifier would be a much better option, where-as the Spectre would be more apt to a full length barrel bench-rest rifle that would rarely see duty as a close-quarters weapon.

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Re: SCAR 17s Optic thoughts?

Post by type5 » 24 Feb 2011, 11:02

SeaHawkDriver-B wrote:Something to note with the Spectre DR's, is that the 1x mode is NOT a reflex sight. That means you need perfect cheek-weld, and perfect eye relief when operating in the 1x mode. For those of you used to Aimpoints and Eotechs, its a big disappointment, becuase no-longer are you operating in 'both eyes open' mode and allowed to adjust your head movement when moving.

For me, it is a big turnoff when mounting this on an SBR... the Aimpoint or Eotech with a flip-up magnifier would be a much better option, where-as the Spectre would be more apt to a full length barrel bench-rest rifle that would rarely see duty as a close-quarters weapon.
Excellant observation. My Elcan is on the 17 with a bipod - it is a great optic that I intend on firing from a stationary point, I am able to keep a good cheek weld and I may use it at night from the bipod with the PVS-14 but I am still working out the details. The Elcan needs a certain eye relief, I may be better off using the EOTech with the PVS-14 because the Elcan may have a new point of impact if I moved it so the PVS-14 can be placed behind it...Eye relief is not a problem wtih either the Aimpoint or the EOTech. Yet the Elcan is a kick ass daytime scope...
These are a few of my impressons so far...

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Post by fatherfoof » 25 Feb 2011, 01:24

Now you see this chart on the wall? Uh, yeah. Good, you passed the eyesight test.
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Re: SCAR 17s Optic thoughts?

Post by Vafrum » 05 Jul 2011, 07:21

I have the red "doughnut" 3.5x ACOG and I have oh so happy with it. It makes so much sense not to cover the target with the reticule, (delta or chevron) now I have a little window to see the blinking eye of my targets with as I pass them love letters and whisper sweet terms of endearment.

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Re: SCAR 17s Optic thoughts?

Post by tombirdman » 22 Jul 2011, 12:50

SeaHawkDriver-B wrote:This is still a fantastic option IMHO. If its not for you, its not for you, but this is what I plan to put on top of my AUG-Heavy Barrel project in 5.56.

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This might also be a thought ?

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Post by Rapier1772 » 22 Jul 2011, 14:10

Wow, triple post Tom? You are such an over-achiever :laugh:

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Post by tombirdman » 23 Jul 2011, 10:01

Rapier1772 wrote:Wow, triple post Tom? You are such an over-achiever :laugh:

Nice Spectre

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Thank You !
just thought I would throw it into the mix.

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Re: SCAR 17s Optic thoughts?

Post by Fudd » 02 Aug 2011, 09:10

type5 wrote: Excellant observation. My Elcan is on the 17 with a bipod - it is a great optic that I intend on firing from a stationary point, I am able to keep a good cheek weld and I may use it at night from the bipod with the PVS-14 but I am still working out the details. The Elcan needs a certain eye relief, I may be better off using the EOTech with the PVS-14 because the Elcan may have a new point of impact if I moved it so the PVS-14 can be placed behind it...Eye relief is not a problem wtih either the Aimpoint or the EOTech. Yet the Elcan is a kick ass daytime scope...
These are a few of my impressons so far...
If you use your Elcan at night with a PVS-14, you'll need to mount it with the PVS-14 ahead of the Elcan. You can't get enough light through the scope at either 1.5x or 6x to make it work right with the 14 behind the scope. If you NVD is head / helmet mounted, looking through the Elcan's going to be a really big disappointment, because eye relief and field of view is a real butt kicker. With the 14 behind the Elcan, you'd have to move the Elcan way forward on the SCAR's rail to get proper eye relief and a good cheek weld and then you're back to the "not enough light through the scope to make the 14 work" problem. There's a big difference between EoTech and Scopes at night. The Eo window allows for enough light transmission that you can see both the Eo reticle and target through the window with a head mounted NVD.

Plus, the thing I really hate when you weapon mount a NVD is that as soon as the NVD comes off your head, you're situationally blind unless you point your weapon where you want to look. I don't like scoping things that I'm not willing to shoot at, which is why a head mounted NVD makes sense. On a good dark night, as soon as your head comes off the NVD on a rifle, you're literally in the dark and disoriented.

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