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I'm thinking about picking up the illustrius .308 SCAR, but unsure as to what direction I want to go. Anyone who owns one comments on how it compares to other gas-operaetd .308's? Don't know if I want to chop and barrel and go with red-dot optics, or leave the barrel as-is and go with higher magnification.
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Explain "Real World" accuracy.
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I mean I don't give a crap what the factory or some "bought-off" gun journalist wants to say about it. I want to know how accurate the gun is from REAL owners who don't have corporate entities or sponsors to appease. It does me no good to put a high-dollar scope and bipod on the thing if the bullet holes are going to be a foot apart at 500 yards; if thats the caes, I'd rather SBR the gun and limit its optical abilities to under 300 yds with low magnification. Of course the ability of the shooter is key, but how does the gun stack up against other .308 semi's at longer distances.... again, actual opinions of owners, not what the book says.
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That makes it much clearer, thanks for explaining. FN makes very reputable hammer forged barrels, so I am very confident in the accuracy of the SCAR heavy. The military would never accept a MOA+ bbl. That said, because you asked, I will try to get one on hand and test it. As of yet, though, I do not know anyone with one.
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What military are you from??? :laugh: The military is full of rifles with greater than 1 MOA barrels. Also, the marine corps picked the HK 7.62 rifle over the SCAR 17, so they didn't like it so well.blueorison wrote:That makes it much clearer, thanks for explaining. FN makes very reputable hammer forged barrels, so I am very confident in the accuracy of the SCAR heavy. The military would never accept a MOA+ bbl. That said, because you asked, I will try to get one on hand and test it. As of yet, though, I do not know anyone with one.
That being said, everyone I have talked to said it shoots as well as any semi-auto 7.62, except maybe the custom Billet ARs that are shooting well under .75 MOA.
I personally see absolutely zero reason to SBR a 7.62 rifle. None.
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While I have no experience with the heavy, I was able to keep a solid 2" grouping at 100yds while sitting (no rest/bags) with cheap 55gr ammo on my light. I will be the first to say that my distance shooting is by no means par so take that as you will (i'm getting better, though!). I would imagine the heavy would easily outshine the accuracy of the light due to the nature of the round alone.
There was an excellent thread on m4carbine going over several different loads at various ranges but all the pics are gone now. There may be a similar thread elsewhere.
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Irish, was under the assumption MIL accepting platforms were going for MOA or under rifles as one of the considerations. Apologies, it seems that I was incorrect.
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A short barrel and folding/collapsable stock are purely for the ergnomoics of the weapon, not to improve weapon functionality. The longer the barrel and stock, the bigger the footprint of the weapon. Maneuvering a rifle in any form of confined space, inside a vehicle, inside an aircraft, or even slung on your back where you don't have visual reference of both ends of the gun, are reasons I consider SBR's to be much better engagement pieces for any active shooter scenario. Concealability is the other big reason.flyingirish04 wrote: I personally see absolutely zero reason to SBR a 7.62 rifle. None.
You may say that there's no reason to try and conceal a 7.62; I say there is a thousand reasons if you want to delve into the realm of the hypothetical. Make no mistake about it FlyingIrish, my purchases are not without an over-arching strategy; I'm not out there just buying guns on a whim or what 'looks cool'. If I was a "bench rest" shooter I'd have half a dozen long-guns with 24" forged barrels. I'm framing the guns in my collection to be the most effective balance of protection, either offensive of defensive, for what I consider to be an imminent series of SHTF scenerios that this country, or the world, may soon face in our lifetimes.
The ability to defeat or counter threats that the 7.62x51 brings to the table, and then covertly camoflage that weapon into something as simple as a heavy jacket, backpack, briefcase, or conveneinetly stuffed away in a small area, is an undeniably strong asset and force multiplier in any situation of unrest. Ever try and maneuver a rifle from window-to-window while inside a vehicle? Its like trying to twirl a 2x4 inside your closet.
I think for now I'm going to leave the stock barrel on the SCAR until factory options are available. Maybe in the future I'll consider another path.
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FWIW Tornado tech is offering 10" SBR options with tuned gas systems now for both the 16 and 17 for a piffling $300
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Great config. Same concerns; velocity drops. Unless you purchase specific SB ammunition, velocity will suffer.
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Velocity will suffer and all will fall short of the glory of POI.
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Not if you spray paint it TRUE FDE.
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Can anyone explain to me what the SCAR 308 brings to the table over the 40 y/o tried and true FAL other than maybe shaving off a tiny bit of weight?
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Not much. Newer piston system.SpaceCoyote wrote:Can anyone explain to me what the SCAR 308 brings to the table over the 40 y/o tried and true FAL other than maybe shaving off a tiny bit of weight?
Seahawk, none of what you said convinces me that one should ever SBR a 7.62. That is my opinion. It does look cool though.
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They are going for that. However the basic grunt is still using Colts M-4 which is a 2 MOA gun at a hundred yards at best. From the reviews I have heard, the 16 and 17 SCARS are MOA guns, not sure if FN guarantees that though.blueorison wrote:Irish, was under the assumption MIL accepting platforms were going for MOA or under rifles as one of the considerations. Apologies, it seems that I was incorrect.
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FWIWAccuracy requirements existed for both subvariants. The SCAR-L would have to achieve a 70 percent hit ratio on 500 meter point target and a 600 meter area target (T) and 600 meter point target and an 800 meter area target (O). The SCAR-H would have to achieve a 70 percent hit ratio on 600 meter point target and an 800 meter area target (T) and 800 meter point target and a 1000 meter area target (O). The SCAR-L and SCAR-H could not add more than 1 minute of angle (MOA) at 300 meters (T) and not more than .25 MOA at 300 meters (O) to the weapon's shot group.
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Ok, so to do this, you could have a 2 MOA firearm and still do that. An area target is a large target. 2 MOA at a 1000 would be 20 inches. That is well within an area target. I think the SCAR would be able to do this, but so would a M-4
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Speaking as an FAL nut who has one loaded and hanging above him,SpaceCoyote wrote:Can anyone explain to me what the SCAR 308 brings to the table over the 40 y/o tried and true FAL other than maybe shaving off a tiny bit of weight?
A better buttstock. There are no decent PRS style stock for the FAL. All of the original stocks and even the DSA stocks have no adjustment and all have their cheek rest to low. There is a billet aluminum version out there that costs more then a used FAL and is range only can't be used for the field.
No longer having to rock the magazine in. No longer having to keep inch mags for you commonwealth FAL and Metric for all the others.
It's not the length of two M-14 combined.
It's a whole lot lighter then a full barreled FAL.
Folding stock that does not need an overhaul of your recoil system, Oops you need the inch version not the metric to convert over to a folding stock,
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5.56 out to 1000 yards hit inside 20in?flyingirish04 wrote:Ok, so to do this, you could have a 2 MOA firearm and still do that. An area target is a large target. 2 MOA at a 1000 would be 20 inches. That is well within an area target. I think the SCAR would be able to do this, but so would a M-4
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srt-4_jon wrote:5.56 out to 1000 yards hit inside 20in?flyingirish04 wrote:Ok, so to do this, you could have a 2 MOA firearm and still do that. An area target is a large target. 2 MOA at a 1000 would be 20 inches. That is well within an area target. I think the SCAR would be able to do this, but so would a M-4
10 would be hard, 20 with a good scope sure.
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20 is no problem with the right glass, as Jay said. Especially with on of the Billet, match grade custom builds.
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Much lighter. Shorter. Much more compact; operational with stock folded. Adj. gas system. Better recoil management. Better new bbl by FN vs potentially old stock FN FAL (if you get one).
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Scott pm'd me with very insightful information which brought to light many things (thanks Scott!);
1. FAL folding stocks WILL fire folded. Folding stock FAL's do require a different recoil spring that is housed in the receiver to use a folding stock. Called a "paratrooper" style recoil spring & receiver
2. Most FAL's have a 7 position gas adjustment, 8 if you count "off" (with recoil management the main function of all the diff positions). The SCAR only has a 3 position adjustment.
3. More compact? Maybe if comparing a 16" barrel SCAR to full sized 21" FAL, but apples to apples a folding stock FAL with a 16" barrel is 28.5" folded, 38" unfolded (specs from DS Arms website). The SCAR beats it only by a mere 1/2" folded (specs from FN's website).
4. Magpul makes stocks for the FAL.
5. Barrel quality can be undesirable on surplus FAL's of course, but DSA and a few other companies make pretty nice barrels for FAL
The SCAR is surely a bit lighter and more ergonomic, but for $2500 one can buy 2 quality FAL's or 3 surplus FAL's.
1. FAL folding stocks WILL fire folded. Folding stock FAL's do require a different recoil spring that is housed in the receiver to use a folding stock. Called a "paratrooper" style recoil spring & receiver
2. Most FAL's have a 7 position gas adjustment, 8 if you count "off" (with recoil management the main function of all the diff positions). The SCAR only has a 3 position adjustment.
3. More compact? Maybe if comparing a 16" barrel SCAR to full sized 21" FAL, but apples to apples a folding stock FAL with a 16" barrel is 28.5" folded, 38" unfolded (specs from DS Arms website). The SCAR beats it only by a mere 1/2" folded (specs from FN's website).
4. Magpul makes stocks for the FAL.
5. Barrel quality can be undesirable on surplus FAL's of course, but DSA and a few other companies make pretty nice barrels for FAL
The SCAR is surely a bit lighter and more ergonomic, but for $2500 one can buy 2 quality FAL's or 3 surplus FAL's.
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blueorison wrote:Scott pm'd me with very insightful information which brought to light many things (thanks Scott!);
1. FAL folding stocks WILL fire folded. Folding stock FAL's do require a different recoil spring that is housed in the receiver to use a folding stock. Called a "paratrooper" style recoil spring & receiver
2. Most FAL's have a 7 position gas adjustment, 8 if you count "off" (with recoil management the main function of all the diff positions). The SCAR only has a 3 position adjustment.
3. More compact? Maybe if comparing a 16" barrel SCAR to full sized 21" FAL, but apples to apples a folding stock FAL with a 16" barrel is 28.5" folded, 38" unfolded (specs from DS Arms website). The SCAR beats it only by a mere 1/2" folded (specs from FN's website).
4. Magpul makes stocks for the FAL.
5. Barrel quality can be undesirable on surplus FAL's of course, but DSA and a few other companies make pretty nice barrels for FAL
The SCAR is surely a bit lighter and more ergonomic, but for $2500 one can buy 2 quality FAL's or 3 surplus FAL's.
4. Magpul makes stocks for the FAL.
FAIL they only make a fixed stock, they do not make a FAL version of the PRS stock.
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panzermk2 wrote:
4. Magpul makes stocks for the FAL.
FAIL they only make a fixed stock, they do not make a FAL version of the PRS stock.
They DO make an FAL version of their PRS stock:
http://store.magpul.com/product/MAG341/85
It IS NOT a folding stock (nor is the PRS for any other rifle model). But is most certainly adjustable for length of pull and cheek weld.
If you're point is that no one makes a "PRS" for folding stock FAL, then that's certainly right. But $2500 for a SCAR seems a lot to pay for a rifle stock.
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I agree, and the more I look into rifles when you are talking of distance shooting or precision, the more you have to look at the custom rout. For the money, they are just a better value than the SCAR is. It may take a bit longer to build or have someone build, but I can honestly say that I can get a superior shooting custom AR in 7.62 for less than what you pay for a SCAR. Now if your argument is that you just like the SCAR, well then, I can't argue against that.
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SpaceCoyote wrote:panzermk2 wrote:
4. Magpul makes stocks for the FAL.
FAIL they only make a fixed stock, they do not make a FAL version of the PRS stock.
They DO make an FAL version of their PRS stock:
http://store.magpul.com/product/MAG341/85
It IS NOT a folding stock (nor is the PRS for any other rifle model). But is most certainly adjustable for length of pull and cheek weld.
If you're point is that no one makes a "PRS" for folding stock FAL, then that's certainly right. But $2500 for a SCAR seems a lot to pay for a rifle stock.
When did they bring this out? I called them about a PRS for my FAL a while ago.
To bad it will not fit an inch FAl which is what I have.
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The SCARS kill the AR's in reliability and the FAL's also and do so with less maintenance.
Accuracy - depends on what you want: if you choose to shoot while walking tacti-cooly 1 minute or 1 1/2 minutes of accuracy with a 4 MOA dot sight just sounds like you are a not too smart person chasing specs and stats. Sorry, no insult intended, but have you thought about it?
I think this is what the original poster was asking about when he asked about real world accuracy.
Tactical accuracy is one thing.
Sub-minute accuracy is another.
Acceptance standard for an M-1 rifle was, as I recall, 2 1/2 MOA from a test fixture. Now factor amunition standards for the same time period: also 2 1/2 minutes from a test fixture.
This means everything considered, 5 MOA was acceptable then - it would be a the acceptable maximums combined.
Guys, that does not even take into account the least accurate variable - the shooter.
So a 1 MOA gun today that a poster above keeps talking about could be 1/2 MOA Rifle + 1/2 MOA Ammunition and a Zero MOA (perfect) shooter.
Now, I am for the most accurate Rifle/Ammo/Rifleman combos we can put together but is the cost of micro MOA Rifle/Ammo combinations for a 2 MOA Riflemen going to make a real world difference? Not that I can imagine.
Now, snipping rifles are another thing and we want and need sub-minute capability. But to compare a sniper rifle to the SCAR, as was done above, is, well, missing the mark by miles!
Accuracy - depends on what you want: if you choose to shoot while walking tacti-cooly 1 minute or 1 1/2 minutes of accuracy with a 4 MOA dot sight just sounds like you are a not too smart person chasing specs and stats. Sorry, no insult intended, but have you thought about it?
I think this is what the original poster was asking about when he asked about real world accuracy.
Tactical accuracy is one thing.
Sub-minute accuracy is another.
Acceptance standard for an M-1 rifle was, as I recall, 2 1/2 MOA from a test fixture. Now factor amunition standards for the same time period: also 2 1/2 minutes from a test fixture.
This means everything considered, 5 MOA was acceptable then - it would be a the acceptable maximums combined.
Guys, that does not even take into account the least accurate variable - the shooter.
So a 1 MOA gun today that a poster above keeps talking about could be 1/2 MOA Rifle + 1/2 MOA Ammunition and a Zero MOA (perfect) shooter.
Now, I am for the most accurate Rifle/Ammo/Rifleman combos we can put together but is the cost of micro MOA Rifle/Ammo combinations for a 2 MOA Riflemen going to make a real world difference? Not that I can imagine.
Now, snipping rifles are another thing and we want and need sub-minute capability. But to compare a sniper rifle to the SCAR, as was done above, is, well, missing the mark by miles!
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If accuracy is the true goal, skip red dots and obtain a cross hair scope. Virtually any rifle can be tightened up, but red dots are to quickly get somewhere on target--not for a precision shot. Only a respectful submission.
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Gold Star.fatherfoof wrote:If accuracy is the true goal, skip red dots and obtain a cross hair scope. Virtually any rifle can be tightened up, but red dots are to quickly get somewhere on target--not for a precision shot. Only a respectful submission.
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:wall: :wall: :wall: :wall:SeaHawkDriver-B wrote:I mean I don't give a crap what the factory or some "bought-off" gun journalist wants to say about it. I want to know how accurate the gun is from REAL owners who don't have corporate entities or sponsors to appease. It does me no good to put a high-dollar scope and bipod on the thing if the bullet holes are going to be a foot apart at 500 yards; if thats the caes, I'd rather SBR the gun and limit its optical abilities to under 300 yds with low magnification. Of course the ability of the shooter is key, but how does the gun stack up against other .308 semi's at longer distances.... again, actual opinions of owners, not what the book says.
I have both a 16s and 17, scoped with an ACOG31 & Elcan 1.5 to 6.
I have a ACOG 5.5x on my FAL.
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The SCAR is so far ahead of the compitition it isn't worth arguing about. !!!
I will not even honor anyone with the long diatribe about my toy being better than yours. That's pure stupidity ! This is America and one is free to like what they want and then put their money where their mouth is by going out and buying it.
There are tons of great rifles out there.
I just prefer the SCAR as does the military and many individuals.
As far as accuracy of the SCAR at distance is concerned. I don't think there is a semi out there that will beat it unless you are willing to paqy 2 or 3 times as much for a custom supper gun.
Truth to be told, with this SCAR, you are more likely to miss because of human error than gun error.
We are entitled to our own oppinions and I obviously have mine.
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I don't mean to be argumentative but I have my own experienses, a couple of guns, and a whole lot of testing and shooting under my 66 year old belt, so, as a member of this forum, I feel I am entitled to MY oppinions .
They are only mine !
With this said; I do have an HK SL8 that is sub moa and qualifies, easily, as a sniper.
A 223 sniper is not the best caliber but it would certainly do the deed out to 400 yds.
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Re: SCAR 17 "Real World" Accuracy?
blueorison wrote:Scott pm'd me with very insightful information which brought to light many things (thanks Scott!);
1. FAL folding stocks WILL fire folded. Folding stock FAL's do require a different recoil spring that is housed in the receiver to use a folding stock. Called a "paratrooper" style recoil spring & receiver
2. Most FAL's have a 7 position gas adjustment, 8 if you count "off" (with recoil management the main function of all the diff positions). The SCAR only has a 3 position adjustment.
3. More compact? Maybe if comparing a 16" barrel SCAR to full sized 21" FAL, but apples to apples a folding stock FAL with a 16" barrel is 28.5" folded, 38" unfolded (specs from DS Arms website). The SCAR beats it only by a mere 1/2" folded (specs from FN's website).
4. Magpul makes stocks for the FAL.
5. Barrel quality can be undesirable on surplus FAL's of course, but DSA and a few other companies make pretty nice barrels for FAL
The SCAR is surely a bit lighter and more ergonomic, but for $2500 one can buy 2 quality FAL's or 3 surplus FAL's.
Mine is an early DSA with STEYR stamped on the barrel.
I had always heard that FALs weren't accurate - this one is!
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Re: SCAR 17 "Real World" Accuracy?
+1 for Steyrs.
Tom, did you colour or replace your upper receiver on the FDE
I love the SCAR. First time shooting it was virgin at the match; everything seemed intuitive. Just played with it a few days ago, again. Have never done accuracy testing with it, but I'd be willing to bet on FN's h-forged bbls. Would love to do an accuracy test at 100-300 yds, though.
.223 does completely find at 500 yards. Past 600 I would use a faster, heavier round... a 6mm variant, perhaps. I don't like carrying around heavy rounds and a extremely cumbersome custom rifle. Especially when the technology makes even semi-autos incredibly effective these days.
Tom, did you colour or replace your upper receiver on the FDE
I love the SCAR. First time shooting it was virgin at the match; everything seemed intuitive. Just played with it a few days ago, again. Have never done accuracy testing with it, but I'd be willing to bet on FN's h-forged bbls. Would love to do an accuracy test at 100-300 yds, though.
.223 does completely find at 500 yards. Past 600 I would use a faster, heavier round... a 6mm variant, perhaps. I don't like carrying around heavy rounds and a extremely cumbersome custom rifle. Especially when the technology makes even semi-autos incredibly effective these days.
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The shooter will always matter more than the gear ever will.
Stop relying on others to do the work for you.
Shoot more, worry less.
The shooter will always matter more than the gear ever will.
Stop relying on others to do the work for you.
Shoot more, worry less.
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Re: SCAR 17 "Real World" Accuracy?
tombirdman wrote: I had always heard that FALs weren't accurate - this one is!
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FALs assembled by Century arms live up to that claim. A well assembled FAL or a DSA is very accurate for a combat rifle.
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Re: SCAR 17 "Real World" Accuracy?
.blueorison wrote:+1 for Steyrs.
Tom, did you colour or replace your upper receiver on the FDE
I love the SCAR. First time shooting it was virgin at the match; everything seemed intuitive. Just played with it a few days ago, again. Have never done accuracy testing with it, but I'd be willing to bet on FN's h-forged bbls. Would love to do an accuracy test at 100-300 yds, though.
.223 does completely find at 500 yards. Past 600 I would use a faster, heavier round... a 6mm variant, perhaps. I don't like carrying around heavy rounds and a extremely cumbersome custom rifle. Especially when the technology makes even semi-autos incredibly effective these days.
The FDE color is just what I got.
Different light and different angles change the colors.
I think FN made it that way for camo effect.
I have bench rested al 3 rifles as has my son - police marksman. We both get under 1 moa, closer to 1/2.
That doesn't mean I could hit the broad side of a barn in a tight situation. Just that I couldn't blame the gun.
Thanks for your reply !
Tom
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Great, straight up answer. Thanks, Tom!
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