Whats the best shotgun to buy?
Whats the best shotgun to buy?
Wondering what peoples opinions are here on what shotgun is the best value for the money? I'm talking a setup for more of an self defense, bad-guy-blaster approach. I think i'm more on board with a pump shotgun as well.
Or perhaps it would be better to ask what shotguns to avoid like the plague? Thanks for any input!
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Or perhaps it would be better to ask what shotguns to avoid like the plague? Thanks for any input!
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Re: Whats the best shotgun to buy?
Best? Fat chance getting the same answer twice out of the same person!
Mossberg 500, Remington 870. Two really great shotguns.
Mossberg 500, Remington 870. Two really great shotguns.
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Yeap, pretty sure those are the two answers you will get out of anyone if you're asking for an economical bad guy blaster pump shottie! It's not just a good bg blaster; I shoot trap and sporting all the time with the most basic model 870 and I do just as well as the guys with their fancy models. You can buy one used for about 200 bucks and it works like a charm.ynoty3k wrote:Best? Fat chance getting the same answer twice out of the same person!
Mossberg 500, Remington 870. Two really great shotguns.
I was going to recommend the SLP if you needed one for 3 gun.
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I was just at the range saturday blasting clays with my buddies Mossberg 500, that thing shot great, Really gotta go pick up my own now!
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I kinda figured it would be something like that. Thanks, I'll remember that.
On a side note, a friend of mine has a mossberg 500 with the sidewinder drum clip. Thing is way too cool, would love to have it.
On a side note, a friend of mine has a mossberg 500 with the sidewinder drum clip. Thing is way too cool, would love to have it.
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I recommend the Mossberg 590A1. The "A1" makes it the mil-spec shotgun with an all metal trigger group and thicker barrel. The 590A1 is the shotgun that survived the miltary torture test including being cooked, dropped, buried in mud, and having 10,000 rounds of 00 buck blasted through it.
I have a decked out 590A1 and would not trade it for any autoloader.
I have the 9 shot with 20" barrel. That length is also the only length with a bayonet stud, although I'm not sure how really useful that is. The bayo stud just has cool factor. I would recommend the ghost ring sights as well. The one I recommend is the model 50771.
You can get the model 51663 for less, but it isn't ported, does not have the picatinny rail, or include the bayonet. This is the one I have, but fully accessorized.
Then get a SureFire aluminum picatinny rail foregrip with a Streamlight TLR-2 (with pressure switch) and a Mesa Tactical low tube recoil reducing stock. I would also put a side swivel sling up front and finish it off with a Magpul MS2 sling.
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I have a decked out 590A1 and would not trade it for any autoloader.
I have the 9 shot with 20" barrel. That length is also the only length with a bayonet stud, although I'm not sure how really useful that is. The bayo stud just has cool factor. I would recommend the ghost ring sights as well. The one I recommend is the model 50771.
You can get the model 51663 for less, but it isn't ported, does not have the picatinny rail, or include the bayonet. This is the one I have, but fully accessorized.
Then get a SureFire aluminum picatinny rail foregrip with a Streamlight TLR-2 (with pressure switch) and a Mesa Tactical low tube recoil reducing stock. I would also put a side swivel sling up front and finish it off with a Magpul MS2 sling.
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Re: Whats the best shotgun to buy?
Mossy 500 and Remmy 870. :thumb:
If you want a REALLY economical and yeah, I know...we picked it up at Wal-Mart...even though I truly HATE the place...we got my twin boys the Mossy Maverick a couple of years ago. I think its a club gun as I don't think I've seen them anywhere else BUT Wal-Mart.
Pretty inexpensive and a pretty nice little pump gun that works well on skeet/ducks. Seems to take a beating pretty well.
If you want a REALLY economical and yeah, I know...we picked it up at Wal-Mart...even though I truly HATE the place...we got my twin boys the Mossy Maverick a couple of years ago. I think its a club gun as I don't think I've seen them anywhere else BUT Wal-Mart.
Pretty inexpensive and a pretty nice little pump gun that works well on skeet/ducks. Seems to take a beating pretty well.
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What would be a fair price on a Mossberg 500?
I expect the 590A1 to be more expensive, but what would a proper dollar amount on that as well?
Thanks for the feedback guys.
I expect the 590A1 to be more expensive, but what would a proper dollar amount on that as well?
Thanks for the feedback guys.
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Less than $400. My dad got a 590A1 for something like $380 at a Big 5 sale.
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A 20" 590A1 with ghost ring sights (like model 51663) will probably run closer to 500. Maybe 450 to 475.
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Re: Whats the best shotgun to buy?
Good point, ours doesn't have the ghost ring sights.
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hehe, i jsut ran across Mossies "Rolling Thunder" model http://www.webarms.com/gun%20suppliers/ ... /55605.gif" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; :lmao: ah too funny. Now if it actually silenced the shot gun it would be cool.
What are your thoughts on the Mossberg 500 Cruiser? Friend of mine has this one fore sale $475 : comes with regular style buttstock, a front end sling and side saddle as well.
I know it strays further into Tacticool territory with the heat shield and muzzle break, and folding stock but i think i could manage "somehow" to live with it
What are your thoughts on the Mossberg 500 Cruiser? Friend of mine has this one fore sale $475 : comes with regular style buttstock, a front end sling and side saddle as well.
I know it strays further into Tacticool territory with the heat shield and muzzle break, and folding stock but i think i could manage "somehow" to live with it
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The Mossburg Mariner line was designed for the Coasties. Can sit in salt water and work fine. It's a 500 with a bunch of nickel and built in shellholder in the heavy duty synthetic stock. Great 12 gu.
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How'd you now i live on the coast father? :ponder:
While i do not plan on taking my guns with me when i go surfing :laugh: , the added protection from the humidity would be nice.
Can you get guns refinished with that Marine coating? If so how much does that kind of thing run?
While i do not plan on taking my guns with me when i go surfing :laugh: , the added protection from the humidity would be nice.
Can you get guns refinished with that Marine coating? If so how much does that kind of thing run?
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M590A1, Remington 870, or Benelli Super 90 Tactical
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870, look no further. Not a Mossberg fan at all. had two, they were both worthless.
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Benelli M1 Super 90!
X-Pen-Sive! But oh so bad!
Here's mine, set up for tactical three gun.
If 7 3" shells in the tube, 1 in the carrier, and 1 in the chamber aren't enought for you
You can always carry a few extra rounds!
If the Benelli isn't fast enough, you can always machine the dead weight out of the bolt, and make it lightning fast!
For a budget bad guy blaster....Mossy is good to go, but cant go wrong with an 870 either.
X-Pen-Sive! But oh so bad!
Here's mine, set up for tactical three gun.
If 7 3" shells in the tube, 1 in the carrier, and 1 in the chamber aren't enought for you
You can always carry a few extra rounds!
If the Benelli isn't fast enough, you can always machine the dead weight out of the bolt, and make it lightning fast!
For a budget bad guy blaster....Mossy is good to go, but cant go wrong with an 870 either.
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The benelli is a piece of work, very nice. Way out of my spending range though (im not allowed to spend that much on a gun since i got the ps90 :wall: ).
I'm gonna be getting that mossy up there but it's always good to go into a situation with as much intel as you can get. Plus it wouldn't hurt for future purchases to know what to keep a weather eye out for.
Irish, any reason you're not a mossy fan? I read up some reviews and the majority ruling seems to be that 870 and the 500 are very comparable guns. 870s got a steel receiver whereas the 500s got an alloy one a trade of in durability for weight, but both have good dependability from peoples experiance. One review said that they preferred mossys because it allows for magazine extensions whereas the Remmis do not.flyingirish04 wrote:870, look no further. Not a Mossberg fan at all. had two, they were both worthless.
I'm gonna be getting that mossy up there but it's always good to go into a situation with as much intel as you can get. Plus it wouldn't hurt for future purchases to know what to keep a weather eye out for.
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Mossbergs aren't worthless - they are just cheap. I have a 500A & it does the job but I've used better. It is also good for laughs - its a pistol grip & you get tacticool people that hold it in front of their face when firing. If they dropped an expensive gun like that then I'd have to use the gun on them but dropping the mossy is not big deal
Also, the barrel is prone to rusting. I've had to get it re-blued twice
Also, the barrel is prone to rusting. I've had to get it re-blued twice
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I am not very fluent in shotties, but my buds use shotties don't buy em, because of the lower quality. I think Rapier is pretty much spot on about the rusting thing, they have had complaints of rust on the receiver too.
But I'm sure there are good mossberg's out there with anti-weather finishes. I'd just stay away from the low low end models. Honestly the 870 is a great shotgun, people have them for over 40 years without changing a thing. The one I use is a 30 yr old one. Works everytime. Since 870's only cost $200 used and $400 new, why bother looking elsewhere?
But I'm sure there are good mossberg's out there with anti-weather finishes. I'd just stay away from the low low end models. Honestly the 870 is a great shotgun, people have them for over 40 years without changing a thing. The one I use is a 30 yr old one. Works everytime. Since 870's only cost $200 used and $400 new, why bother looking elsewhere?
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The Mossberg 590A1s have a parkerized finish like that on the AR-15 style rifles. I have not had any trouble with the finish. The 500s are NOT the same as the 590A1s. The 590A1s have a parkerized finish, thicker barrels and all metal trigger housings. I would look specifically for the "A1."
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My 500 is still peachy, and I've run all sorts of shells in all sorts of conditions. Then again, I take good care of my weapons.
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freeliener, oh you da man... the only surfer here, Grew up on a Hobie longboard in the 60's. Mariner is cheap--same as any other Moss 500, but oh what a difference!! You cannot corrode it, nor diminish its functionality. Contact Mossburg directly for more info-- you can thank me over lunch when we surf after I lose 100 lbs. :laugh: ff
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Are all Mossberg 590 (590A1)?
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Remington 870.
Then go to Walmart and buy some $12.50 (15-rd) boxes of their Winchester Super X Magnum Buckshot loads (15-pellets per round). These rounds work real good.
Then go to Walmart and buy some $12.50 (15-rd) boxes of their Winchester Super X Magnum Buckshot loads (15-pellets per round). These rounds work real good.
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I thought the Mossberg 500/590 receivers were made of an aluminum alloy. I would be a little surprised to see aluminum rusting. I will have to double check mine.blueorison wrote:...they have had complaints of rust on the receiver too.
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Mossbergs rust like its there job. I take very good care of all my weapons, and Mossbergs are terrible. They are cheap POS's.
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Aluminum won't rust, but it has it's own version of corrosion build up.Vortec MAX wrote: I thought the Mossberg 500/590 receivers were made of an aluminum alloy. I would be a little surprised to see aluminum rusting. I will have to double check mine.
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I just checked. The receiver is aluminum alloy. No chance in hell it will rust... ever. I officially call BS on Mossberg 590s with rusty receivers.Vortec MAX wrote:I thought the Mossberg 500/590 receivers were made of an aluminum alloy. I would be a little surprised to see aluminum rusting. I will have to double check mine.blueorison wrote:...they have had complaints of rust on the receiver too.
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P.S. freelienr is right in that aluminum can corrode, but only bare aluminum. It just gets a patina on it. The aluminum on the Mossberg receiver is parkerized. An AR-15 has the same chance of developing corrosion (patina).
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..and anything with patina likes to be called 'vintage' by the hippies here, haha.Vortec MAX wrote:I just checked. The receiver is aluminum alloy. No chance in hell it will rust... ever. I officially call BS on Mossberg 590s with rusty receivers.Vortec MAX wrote:I thought the Mossberg 500/590 receivers were made of an aluminum alloy. I would be a little surprised to see aluminum rusting. I will have to double check mine.blueorison wrote:...they have had complaints of rust on the receiver too.
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P.S. freelienr is right in that aluminum can corrode, but only bare aluminum. It just gets a patina on it. The aluminum on the Mossberg receiver is parkerized. An AR-15 has the same chance of developing corrosion (patina).
I'll have to check on the reports of corrosion on receiver. I think it was a review on budsguns that I read.
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I still think this is a little harsh on Mossbergs, more like an opinion. I didn't miss a clay last weekend, they can't be too bad.flyingirish04 wrote:Mossbergs rust like its there job. I take very good care of all my weapons, and Mossbergs are terrible. They are cheap POS's.
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Another note-able observation from reviews was that alot of the Mossy vs Remmie came down to personal taste and opinion. They all agreed that the remmies were of slightly higher quality, but over all very comparable.
Like I said though, it's good to know more than less. So i appreciate all comments and feedback.
Like I said though, it's good to know more than less. So i appreciate all comments and feedback.
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I don't know squat about shotguns, but here's what I heard: The Stoeger is the exact Benelli design (several models) but made in Hungary? so the price is much less.freelienr wrote:The benelli is a piece of work, very nice. Way out of my spending range though (im not allowed to spend that much on a gun since i got the ps90 :wall: ).
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Rocky123 wrote:I don't know squat about shotguns, but here's what I heard: The Stoeger is the exact Benelli design (several models) but made in Hungary? so the price is much less.freelienr wrote:The benelli is a piece of work, very nice. Way out of my spending range though (im not allowed to spend that much on a gun since i got the ps90 :wall: ).
not accurate. Totally different guns.
Buy a Rem 870. You won't be disappointed. Virtually same price as a Mossberg 500, twice the gun.
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Re: Whats the best shotgun to buy?
i could buy like... 3 mossies or remmies (get one of each!) for those prices! They look very pretty though
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No. A 590A1 shares many of the same parts as the regular 590, but the "A1" is the military version which has an all metal trigger housing and a thicker barrel.Captan Harold D wrote:Are all Mossberg 590 (590A1)?
One drawback to the 590A1 is the cool "heat shield" that you see on some 590s will not fit on the 590A1 because of the larger outside diameter of the A1 barrel.
There is a company that makes a heat shield for the A1, but I cannot remember who.
By the way, I scored a perfect score on the police shotgun course with my mossy. It is a fine shotgun. Don't let these naysayers fool ya.
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You want to hunt or you want home defense?
A BENELLI Super Black Hawk can do both, with some one used to quick reloading like experienced in TX dove hunts (or getting badbutting with a let them fly skeet shooting opportunity). The 3.5" chamber allows too many opportunities.
On my Moss Marine stainless (nickle) by the bedroom door (cause it IS a 2 income family and therefore it should be a 2 person defense apparatus) has both a laser and surefire on separate end cap switches that can be activated when the pump slides battery.
A 3" chamber in #4 buck will perforate with little secondary outer wall penetration. With a laser you need to be concerned about smart vs dumb thieves who would duck or dodge. How good are you with a moving target?
Pistol or shotgun, for defense or hunting, the ultimate defense is the hunter being the hunted - waiting for an arrival, anticipating it and dealing with it as fleeting a moment it may be.
The disclaimer goes here...
And, I'd never own a Remington, again... after being told my new gun had a mfg defect and they wanted me to pay to fix it.
There's guns out based upon the 'inertia' vs gas design. The former being so easy to cycle over the later, but if you really want a gun loaded with 2 3/4 ready to go, cheap, it's the old Browning auto N2000 with a finger eating side feed that you can remove the shell limiter to (and change barrels if desired) give you a whopping 6 rounds of reliable cycling and power starting for less than $300).
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A BENELLI Super Black Hawk can do both, with some one used to quick reloading like experienced in TX dove hunts (or getting badbutting with a let them fly skeet shooting opportunity). The 3.5" chamber allows too many opportunities.
On my Moss Marine stainless (nickle) by the bedroom door (cause it IS a 2 income family and therefore it should be a 2 person defense apparatus) has both a laser and surefire on separate end cap switches that can be activated when the pump slides battery.
A 3" chamber in #4 buck will perforate with little secondary outer wall penetration. With a laser you need to be concerned about smart vs dumb thieves who would duck or dodge. How good are you with a moving target?
Pistol or shotgun, for defense or hunting, the ultimate defense is the hunter being the hunted - waiting for an arrival, anticipating it and dealing with it as fleeting a moment it may be.
The disclaimer goes here...
And, I'd never own a Remington, again... after being told my new gun had a mfg defect and they wanted me to pay to fix it.
There's guns out based upon the 'inertia' vs gas design. The former being so easy to cycle over the later, but if you really want a gun loaded with 2 3/4 ready to go, cheap, it's the old Browning auto N2000 with a finger eating side feed that you can remove the shell limiter to (and change barrels if desired) give you a whopping 6 rounds of reliable cycling and power starting for less than $300).
Another disclaimer please, as the crowd cheers...
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Mossberg just beat out Remington for the U.S.M.C. contract. So must not be too big of P.O.S.
In a fight I would and feel that I could dependon either an 870 Remi or Mossberg 590/590A1.
For those with bigger pocket books, Benelli can never be overlooked
In a fight I would and feel that I could dependon either an 870 Remi or Mossberg 590/590A1.
For those with bigger pocket books, Benelli can never be overlooked
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Are there two kinds of 870s? I bought an express model and it was a POS. The mag tub spring retaining cap (removed to get the plug out for quail hunts) was flimsy. It was just impressively cheaply made.
Out hunting dove, I overhead another hunter say "I wish he'd let one go by." referring to my buddy using his pump Mossberg. He got an 1187 and went thru a small learning curve, but always brings the Mossy as a backup.
Anyone have a pic of a SBE Benelli with the extended tube handy?
Which reminds me, not to get off topic - using the Birch & Casey Gun Scrubber may melt down the plug (chemicals breaks it down) - so heads up. I ended up substituting the plastic for a wood dowel rod.
Out hunting dove, I overhead another hunter say "I wish he'd let one go by." referring to my buddy using his pump Mossberg. He got an 1187 and went thru a small learning curve, but always brings the Mossy as a backup.
Anyone have a pic of a SBE Benelli with the extended tube handy?
Which reminds me, not to get off topic - using the Birch & Casey Gun Scrubber may melt down the plug (chemicals breaks it down) - so heads up. I ended up substituting the plastic for a wood dowel rod.
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Reminds me of a quote...toyslr wrote:Mossberg just beat out Remington for the U.S.M.C. contract. So must not be too big of P.O.S.
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Lowest bidder or not for $125-$150 per unit less and the same quality Mossbergs will when over alot
of pontential clients. I carry both Remington and Mossberg, I personally think its a toss up between the
590 and 870 Series.
NRA gave the 930 Series Mossbergs "Golden Bullseye Award for Shotgun of the Year" at the 2010 Shot Show.
of pontential clients. I carry both Remington and Mossberg, I personally think its a toss up between the
590 and 870 Series.
NRA gave the 930 Series Mossbergs "Golden Bullseye Award for Shotgun of the Year" at the 2010 Shot Show.
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Yes.stateofbliss wrote:Are there two kinds of 870s?
Express and Police.
The Police is for serious extreme duty type of use.
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There is also a tactical variant with sight rails and a breeching choke.Valorius wrote:Yes.stateofbliss wrote:Are there two kinds of 870s?
Express and Police.
The Police is for serious extreme duty type of use.
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Bud's has some Mossberg 590 Mariner 12ga 9 Shot Police trade-ins for $359 shipped.
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I'll throw in my two cents.
I like the Franchi 612 semi auto. I've put about 1000 shells through mine, and other than some issue with bird shot and low recoil, I've never had a problem with her. Not a cheap gun, but not super expensive either.
I'm also a fan of the SPAS 12 or Benelli M4, but these will cost you.
If you just want the home defense, then I have to agree with everyone else here, that the Berg 500 platform or the Rem 870 is the way to go.
I like the Franchi 612 semi auto. I've put about 1000 shells through mine, and other than some issue with bird shot and low recoil, I've never had a problem with her. Not a cheap gun, but not super expensive either.
I'm also a fan of the SPAS 12 or Benelli M4, but these will cost you.
If you just want the home defense, then I have to agree with everyone else here, that the Berg 500 platform or the Rem 870 is the way to go.
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I have a Beretta AL391 Urika.. used it, and only it for 7 years of sporting clays, waterfowling (fresh water) and bird hunting.. mainly dove. I'm sure it musta jammed in that time.... but if it has, I don't remember it. I don't get 'married' to many guns... but 'til death do Urika and I part.
I don't think I'd take her salt water hunting though.. I've heard horror stories about guns rusting in one day... too risky for my baby
I don't think I'd take her salt water hunting though.. I've heard horror stories about guns rusting in one day... too risky for my baby
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A Serbu Super Shorty is a nice addition or alternative -- basically a cut-down Mossberg 500 or Remington 870 with a folding front grip. This makes it into an AOW with only a 3-round capacity, but it's a good conversation piece. It certainly draws people to the display case at my local gunshop.
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i like that folding front grip.
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I have heard that about you. :ponder:Rapier1772 wrote:I'd probably buy one - if I could find one & fondle it first
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I wonder if the Remington passed their 10,000 round torture test. I heard that the Mossberg was the only shotgun that could even pass the torture test.toyslr wrote:Mossberg just beat out Remington for the U.S.M.C. contract. So must not be too big of P.O.S.
On the day I scored a perfect score with my 590A1 on the police shotgun course, my dad could not complete the course with his 870 due to failures to feed. He ended up selling his 870 and buying a 590 because he could not get it sorted out. It would feed great as long as you worked the action slowly, but when you racked it fast (like when defending yourself) it would jam up.
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Benelli Nova Pump. You can use 2 3/4, 3, and 3 1/2" magnum shells in it. You can shoot slugs through it. And you can quick swap longer barrels in it for hunting purposes. Has some very easy to acquire ghost ring sights installed too. Check one out you will not be disappointed.
Re: Whats the best shotgun to buy?
Well after owning a Mossberg 500 20 gauge, Verona semi-auto 12 gauge, and a Saiga 12 converted back to pistol grip. I would choose my Saiga 12 over the others. It has turned out to be my favorite shotty. Liked it so much i purchased a Saiga .410.
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ETA: Wow, just realized how old this topic was.
For the money (at least when they were cheap) you couldn't beat a properly running Saiga 12 in cost. But for some reason I keep coming back to my Benelli M4 every time.
For the money (at least when they were cheap) you couldn't beat a properly running Saiga 12 in cost. But for some reason I keep coming back to my Benelli M4 every time.
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Shotguns are something every American home should have at least 1 or 2 of whether its sitting atop the fireplace mantle or behind your bedroom door ready for action. Its a staple, a necessity, in any scenario, any collection- for defense, hunting, or just intimidation.
Unlike rifles or handguns though, I find having a dozen or-so shotguns distracting and unnecessary. For the most part, a 12ga is a 12ga, it doesn't matter how fancy or tricked-out it is, most shotguns all have very, very similar capabilities. +/- a round or two in capacity, +/- a feature or two... they're the same. You can break clays with the King of Spain with a SPAS12, or bust through a crackhouse door with a Hand-carved and gold-inlaid Beretta.... capability-wise, it just doesn't make much difference, no matter how much it may in some people's mind's that they need one that is a certain color, or has a shell holder riveted to the receiver. The only difference between a pump and an auto is you can empty the auto about a second quicker... thats it.
That being said, I took the mindset that I was only going to buy 3-4 12ga shotguns max, and I was going to make a lifelong investment, i.e. buy something I would never need to trade-up in the foreseable future.
SO i bought two "tactical shotguns"... A Benelli M4, and a Benelli M3... I couldn't decide between the two so I got both, that was 5 years ago, and I have never had any regrets. I've shot plenty of Saigas and I like the magazine capability, but I keep going back to the Benelli's every time, they feel much more natural, and to me, if I really need a drum magazine on a shotgun, I'll be reaching for a REAL drum, a 150rd 5.56 DRUM, or a FAT STACK of 20rd 7.62 mags stuffed into a bandolier.... when it comes to zombie time of course.
The second two shotugns I bought were both Benellis as well, a Super Black EAgle in Real-tree wetlands camo... best damn duck and goose gun I've ever shot. And a Benelli Montefeltro.... what I use for clays and upland birds... it craps all over my previous Remington 1100.
And thats it.. yeah, they're expensive.... but I dont see myself replacing them in my lifetime. Maybe my grandkids can inheret them when guns are all but outlawed and only pre-band hand-me-downs are legal, lol.
I consider my 4 uber-expensive Benneli's an investment, but one thats out of the way, and one I wont have to make again.
.... just as an aside, I am eyeing the KelTec KSG just for the fact that i could use it as a vehicle weapon, or put one in my boat or something.
Unlike rifles or handguns though, I find having a dozen or-so shotguns distracting and unnecessary. For the most part, a 12ga is a 12ga, it doesn't matter how fancy or tricked-out it is, most shotguns all have very, very similar capabilities. +/- a round or two in capacity, +/- a feature or two... they're the same. You can break clays with the King of Spain with a SPAS12, or bust through a crackhouse door with a Hand-carved and gold-inlaid Beretta.... capability-wise, it just doesn't make much difference, no matter how much it may in some people's mind's that they need one that is a certain color, or has a shell holder riveted to the receiver. The only difference between a pump and an auto is you can empty the auto about a second quicker... thats it.
That being said, I took the mindset that I was only going to buy 3-4 12ga shotguns max, and I was going to make a lifelong investment, i.e. buy something I would never need to trade-up in the foreseable future.
SO i bought two "tactical shotguns"... A Benelli M4, and a Benelli M3... I couldn't decide between the two so I got both, that was 5 years ago, and I have never had any regrets. I've shot plenty of Saigas and I like the magazine capability, but I keep going back to the Benelli's every time, they feel much more natural, and to me, if I really need a drum magazine on a shotgun, I'll be reaching for a REAL drum, a 150rd 5.56 DRUM, or a FAT STACK of 20rd 7.62 mags stuffed into a bandolier.... when it comes to zombie time of course.
The second two shotugns I bought were both Benellis as well, a Super Black EAgle in Real-tree wetlands camo... best damn duck and goose gun I've ever shot. And a Benelli Montefeltro.... what I use for clays and upland birds... it craps all over my previous Remington 1100.
And thats it.. yeah, they're expensive.... but I dont see myself replacing them in my lifetime. Maybe my grandkids can inheret them when guns are all but outlawed and only pre-band hand-me-downs are legal, lol.
I consider my 4 uber-expensive Benneli's an investment, but one thats out of the way, and one I wont have to make again.
.... just as an aside, I am eyeing the KelTec KSG just for the fact that i could use it as a vehicle weapon, or put one in my boat or something.
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Inactive for a couple of months isn't old - we've had threads resurrected after a couple of years :laugh:AEnemaBay wrote:ETA: Wow, just realized how old this topic was.
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I have a 870 that I have put quiet a few slugs and buckshot through and it still performs flawlessly. It actually started out as a joke. my buddy and I had a few beers in us and started talking about building a l33t Tactic00l zombie slayer.
Alcohol + Dumb Friends + credit cards are not a good mix.
So to say the least, by the end of the week I had a pile of fedex boxes full of the tacticoolest stuff we could find, with blurred vision that is. Now I have a classic shottie that comes with me on all my outings that gets a lot of laughs and "Oh, I gotta shoot that" 's...
I would post a pic but im pretty sure it would make Blue's head explode...
Alcohol + Dumb Friends + credit cards are not a good mix.
So to say the least, by the end of the week I had a pile of fedex boxes full of the tacticoolest stuff we could find, with blurred vision that is. Now I have a classic shottie that comes with me on all my outings that gets a lot of laughs and "Oh, I gotta shoot that" 's...
I would post a pic but im pretty sure it would make Blue's head explode...
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I own quite a few shotguns. So I will attempt to put this thread to bed.
Used to shoot sporting clays competively, and still hunt upland and waterfowl quite a lot. My SD gun (no mag limit on upland game in that state) and snowgoose gun (no mag limit either) is a extended tube Benelli Super Black Eagle. Can hold 9 rounds, which for some SD strips, is still undergunned. This year, I ran out of rounds twice on wild pheasant flock shooting. Shot 9 times and killed 5 birds, missed the first, the last one took me three shots to get the right lead. It weighs the gun down a bit, but not enough to affect my swing which is good because nothing flies like a wild SD pheasant, as far as pheasants are concerned that is. I have another SBE without the long tube mag and with a plug I use for waterfowl and turkey.
I have pistol griped, hi-cap, shorter barrel 870 under the bed at all times. Looking at buying a Benelli M3 as well, but it is below a few other guns on my list. Sold my M4 when I was in the military. In fact it may have been when I bought my FsN.
Had a Mossie 500 with a 26 inch barrel in 12 gauge, but it was crap. Wouldn't fully chamber rounds without me slamming the action closed really hard, and it rusted all over, even the aluminum got that nasty gunky look that it does when it corrodes. I gave it to my cousin. I have shot a lot of Mossbergs in my life, and they are ok cheap guns. I won't pay money for one though.
My sporting clay gun now is a pristine condition old SKB 585 Target O/U (sold my spendier SC gun , give you a hint, starts with a "K". Don't need 5K dollar gun anymore, maybe never did). Own a Berretta 686 O/U 28 gauge for quail, woodcock, grouse, chukar, hun, and even use it for pheasant sometimes, and will never sell it. Only side by side I own is a Winchester 23 in 12 gauge, beauty of a gun, don't shoot it much now though. My dad used it for everything but luckily, kept good care of it. Have a single shot old berreta 20 gauge that was my first gun. Shot my first pheasent with it, grandpa gave me the gun shortly after to keep. Also have a Beretta 390AL with a slug barrel, haven't used it since I was in college in IN, where I couldn't hunt with a rifle.
So you can accrue quite a few shotguns pretty easily if you are not careful. I have almost as many as I have pistols and rifles.
So, now that my foundation is thoroughly established here is what you should buy:
Just a value gun for home defense: Rem 870 12 gauge
Uber tactical: Benelli M3 (pump and auto in one) 12 gauge
Turkey/waterfowl on budget: Stoeger 3500 or Benelli SuperNova
Turkey/waterfowl: Benelli SBE II, or Super Vinci in 12 gauge(buddy has one and it is a great gun too)
Turkey only: Benelli Super Vinci Turkey in 12 gauge (has pistol grip and optic rail I believe)
Upland only cheap: Rem 870 Wingmaster in 12 or 20 gauge or go the cheap O/U route with a Baikal M350 in 20 gauge. Not a bad cheap gun.
Upland only pricy: Benelli M2 or Montefeltro, or Vinci in 12 or 20 gauge (don't need 3 1/2 for upland only)
Upland/smaller upland uber swanky: Beretta 686 or 687 in 20 or 28 gauge or could go all out with a Caesar Guerini 28 gauge side by side
All around hunter: Benelli SBE or SBE II or Super Vinci 12 gauge
Sporting Clays/Skeet: Quality Over Under that has been fitted to you and customed tuned and choked.
Trap: Quality high rail single shot or o/u that has been tuned to you like SC/Skeet gun
As you can see, it all depends. :thumb:
Used to shoot sporting clays competively, and still hunt upland and waterfowl quite a lot. My SD gun (no mag limit on upland game in that state) and snowgoose gun (no mag limit either) is a extended tube Benelli Super Black Eagle. Can hold 9 rounds, which for some SD strips, is still undergunned. This year, I ran out of rounds twice on wild pheasant flock shooting. Shot 9 times and killed 5 birds, missed the first, the last one took me three shots to get the right lead. It weighs the gun down a bit, but not enough to affect my swing which is good because nothing flies like a wild SD pheasant, as far as pheasants are concerned that is. I have another SBE without the long tube mag and with a plug I use for waterfowl and turkey.
I have pistol griped, hi-cap, shorter barrel 870 under the bed at all times. Looking at buying a Benelli M3 as well, but it is below a few other guns on my list. Sold my M4 when I was in the military. In fact it may have been when I bought my FsN.
Had a Mossie 500 with a 26 inch barrel in 12 gauge, but it was crap. Wouldn't fully chamber rounds without me slamming the action closed really hard, and it rusted all over, even the aluminum got that nasty gunky look that it does when it corrodes. I gave it to my cousin. I have shot a lot of Mossbergs in my life, and they are ok cheap guns. I won't pay money for one though.
My sporting clay gun now is a pristine condition old SKB 585 Target O/U (sold my spendier SC gun , give you a hint, starts with a "K". Don't need 5K dollar gun anymore, maybe never did). Own a Berretta 686 O/U 28 gauge for quail, woodcock, grouse, chukar, hun, and even use it for pheasant sometimes, and will never sell it. Only side by side I own is a Winchester 23 in 12 gauge, beauty of a gun, don't shoot it much now though. My dad used it for everything but luckily, kept good care of it. Have a single shot old berreta 20 gauge that was my first gun. Shot my first pheasent with it, grandpa gave me the gun shortly after to keep. Also have a Beretta 390AL with a slug barrel, haven't used it since I was in college in IN, where I couldn't hunt with a rifle.
So you can accrue quite a few shotguns pretty easily if you are not careful. I have almost as many as I have pistols and rifles.
So, now that my foundation is thoroughly established here is what you should buy:
Just a value gun for home defense: Rem 870 12 gauge
Uber tactical: Benelli M3 (pump and auto in one) 12 gauge
Turkey/waterfowl on budget: Stoeger 3500 or Benelli SuperNova
Turkey/waterfowl: Benelli SBE II, or Super Vinci in 12 gauge(buddy has one and it is a great gun too)
Turkey only: Benelli Super Vinci Turkey in 12 gauge (has pistol grip and optic rail I believe)
Upland only cheap: Rem 870 Wingmaster in 12 or 20 gauge or go the cheap O/U route with a Baikal M350 in 20 gauge. Not a bad cheap gun.
Upland only pricy: Benelli M2 or Montefeltro, or Vinci in 12 or 20 gauge (don't need 3 1/2 for upland only)
Upland/smaller upland uber swanky: Beretta 686 or 687 in 20 or 28 gauge or could go all out with a Caesar Guerini 28 gauge side by side
All around hunter: Benelli SBE or SBE II or Super Vinci 12 gauge
Sporting Clays/Skeet: Quality Over Under that has been fitted to you and customed tuned and choked.
Trap: Quality high rail single shot or o/u that has been tuned to you like SC/Skeet gun
As you can see, it all depends. :thumb:
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Re: Whats the best shotgun to buy?
Anyone looked at Kel Tec i haven't put much into looking the company over but they recently added a bullpup shotgun (supposed to be released in the next month)
pump, 2 feed tubes 6+6+1 3" or 7+7+1 2.75"(select between slug/shot/Beanbag?) ambidextrous(shells eject down), 26" OAL
http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/shotguns/ksg/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kel-Tec_KSG
i've never heard of the company and the only shotguns i own are passed down Remington's but it looked interesting
pump, 2 feed tubes 6+6+1 3" or 7+7+1 2.75"(select between slug/shot/Beanbag?) ambidextrous(shells eject down), 26" OAL
http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/shotguns/ksg/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kel-Tec_KSG
i've never heard of the company and the only shotguns i own are passed down Remington's but it looked interesting
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Wow, quite a thread! A short-barreled 12 or 20 ga. is quite a SHTF longarm. I've put a thousand rounds through my Beretta 390 without cleaning and it never burped. It is a sporting arm, however. My "behind the door gun" is a double-barreled Stoeger Coach gun. I have an 870 "hiding" upstairs. Anyone up for a "pump vs auto vs double" discussion?
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^^^I agree on the 390. I shot mine about the same amount before cleaning. I remember when my dad bought it for me when I was 12, the gun guy said to shoot it till it stopped cycling, then clean. I did.
As far as pump versus auto, reliability is the only thing going for the pump. Auto simply have that one process that could mess crap up. Then again, you take care of your stuff and practice troubleshooting, you can minimize the risk. Doubles are great, but then you have capacity issues, but again, for the prowler, a double is probably plenty.
I do have a 870 hiding in the bed room though too.
As far as pump versus auto, reliability is the only thing going for the pump. Auto simply have that one process that could mess crap up. Then again, you take care of your stuff and practice troubleshooting, you can minimize the risk. Doubles are great, but then you have capacity issues, but again, for the prowler, a double is probably plenty.
I do have a 870 hiding in the bed room though too.
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If you carry a semi auto handgun/rifle but wont have a semi shotgun, thats a little silly if you ask me. many reliable/proven semi shotguns are out now.
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Franchi Spas 12 Shotgun best of both worlds.
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Or Benelli M3. Like it better than the Spaz
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:agree: with the Benelli. Unfortunately, excess testosterone fueled with equal amounts of stupidity and alcohol led to crashing just about anything on two wheels before I discovered that I have a brain as well. Degenerative discs and arthritis have left me weak on one side which rules out fast action with a pump. I love the SPAS; just too heavy for me now.
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I asked my patrolman friend what he had in his patrol car. Remington 870. Good enuf, I bought one, love the way it sounds when you load a round in the chamber. Great quality for the money.
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I am surprised to hear positive things about the SPAS 12. I thought it was an awful POS shotgun... also, very difficult to take apart and clean. I just didn't like it at all.
I hunt ducks 30-40 times per year and I use Benelli shotguns. I have an M2 (Black) and a SBEII in Max4. I have also used and owned an M1 Super 90 Tactical model and LOVED that gun. I probably wouldn't spend the extra cash on an M4 over a regular M2 Field Tactical. I have NEVER had a Benelli jam even after being completely submerged under 3' of muddy water for a couple hours. I am so rough on these guns that I generally tear off the front fiber sight at least once per year (dragging them through brush at 4am, etc...) and need to head to Cabela's and buy a new one.
I have no strong opinion on Rem vs Mos. I have a 500 sitting loaded at my house but haven't shot it in about 10 years.
I hunt ducks 30-40 times per year and I use Benelli shotguns. I have an M2 (Black) and a SBEII in Max4. I have also used and owned an M1 Super 90 Tactical model and LOVED that gun. I probably wouldn't spend the extra cash on an M4 over a regular M2 Field Tactical. I have NEVER had a Benelli jam even after being completely submerged under 3' of muddy water for a couple hours. I am so rough on these guns that I generally tear off the front fiber sight at least once per year (dragging them through brush at 4am, etc...) and need to head to Cabela's and buy a new one.
I have no strong opinion on Rem vs Mos. I have a 500 sitting loaded at my house but haven't shot it in about 10 years.
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870 tactical gets my vote
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If I could do it again, I would get the Marine 870 (all stainless) and get it cerakoted. You live and you learn.wacjr wrote:I asked my patrolman friend what he had in his patrol car. Remington 870. Good enuf, I bought one, love the way it sounds when you load a round in the chamber. Great quality for the money.
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