Check Out This Surprise Biatches

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Re: Check Out This Surprise Biatches

Post by Prepper » 11 Apr 2011, 14:16

Any updates on the extended barrel? I REALLY want one!
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Re: Check Out This Surprise Biatches

Post by panzermk2wife » 11 Apr 2011, 14:19

We only got the protype this past Friday.

It's will be a short time before we decide the cost and such.

And anything custom made I prefer to have in hand before even putting up on the website.

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Re: Check Out This Surprise Biatches

Post by SoCal Gunner » 12 Apr 2011, 07:37

Please tell me you're going to go the compensator route for us Californian's.

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Re: Check Out This Surprise Biatches

Post by panzermk2 » 12 Apr 2011, 08:20

We are going to have a comp.
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Re: Check Out This Surprise Biatches

Post by Varmiter » 12 Apr 2011, 08:27

blueorison wrote:
Longer sight radius.
No disrespect meant but has the definition of ‘sight radius’ changed? The last I heard, the sight radius was the distance between the sights.

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Re: Check Out This Surprise Biatches

Post by panzermk2 » 12 Apr 2011, 08:29

The comp will have a dovetail cut.
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Re: Check Out This Surprise Biatches

Post by Varmiter » 12 Apr 2011, 08:50

Ok, I take that statement to mean the dovetail is for the mounting of a new front sight. If so, how is one to remove the barrel from the slide with this new sight installed unless the sight is remove for each cleaning?

I like the idea of an extended barrel, but it does present it’s own problems.

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Re: Check Out This Surprise Biatches

Post by kat_girl » 12 Apr 2011, 10:08

is there another CA law that says we can't have extended bbls now w/o compensators? sigh yep, sight radius is the distance between front and rear sights. If (when) I get one, I'll think of it as my P90 Kurtz :)

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Post by SoCal Gunner » 12 Apr 2011, 11:44

kat_girl wrote:is there another CA law that says we can't have extended bbls now w/o compensators? sigh yep, sight radius is the distance between front and rear sights. If (when) I get one, I'll think of it as my P90 Kurtz :)
No, you could have just the barrel - if it's not threaded. I was referring to the earlier comments about a threaded barrel with a suppressor.

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Post by blueorison » 12 Apr 2011, 17:50

kat_girl wrote:is there another CA law that says we can't have extended bbls now w/o compensators? sigh yep, sight radius is the distance between front and rear sights. If (when) I get one, I'll think of it as my P90 Kurtz :)
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Re: Check Out This Surprise Biatches

Post by kat_girl » 12 Apr 2011, 18:00

:D Not necessarily. I'm pretty recoil insensitive and usually shoot .40SW/.357Sig and just about everything else. If I can squeeze more velocity out of it that would be great....uh to be honest, now that I think about it, there's nothing like shooting my 22/45 Ruger and just watch the front sight nudge up and down! Also, with my G-27 (extended Storm Lake dual port) - I get the fastest accurate strings I've ever had (.357 Sig)

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Re: Check Out This Surprise Biatches

Post by Prepper » 07 May 2011, 01:50

Any updates?
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Re: Check Out This Surprise Biatches

Post by panzermk2 » 07 May 2011, 06:55

We are testing production. 10 will be done next week.
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Re: Check Out This Surprise Biatches

Post by kat_girl » 07 May 2011, 09:55

oooo I want one :)

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Re: Check Out This Surprise Biatches

Post by DAUG » 07 May 2011, 10:29

panzermk2 wrote:The comp will have a dovetail cut.
Jay,

Very cool, this I want to see ..... I just might get in line for a barrel and comp combo!

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Re: Check Out This Surprise Biatches

Post by ShockedNKansas » 07 May 2011, 12:40

I keep looking at this barrel jutting out of a once very symmetrical and beautiful gun and just gasp. Perhaps I'm just a noob, but I can't imagine giving up what seems like tons of form for little function.

I don't have a PHD in physics, but it seems to me from the following data that there is a long way to go in bridging the gap between PS90 performance and the FsN. I guess that is why one is a pistol and the other is a carbine.

Stock FsN barrell length: 4.75in + modification (2in?) = 6.75in

Stock PS90 barrell length: 16.04in

The gap between the PS90 and FsN barrell length is 11.29in. After the modification the gap is now around 9.29in. The modification has narrowed the gap between the pistol and the carbine by 17.71%. To put my rude arithmetic into real life terms applying the 17.71% reduction in length gap to a 17.71% reduction in speed gap we get:

T6 PFP 28 grain

FsN: 2,570fps (stock) 2,663fps (modified barrel gain of 93fps)
PS90: 3,095fps

Using the kinetic energy formula we arrive at 411ft/lbs stock and 441ft/lbs with the modified barrel on the FsN. An increase of 30ft/lbs.

A gain of 30ft/lbs. with the trade off being a major loss in handling, form, and ability to conceal; I just don't get it. Please somebody enlighten me so I can be excited as well. Perhaps I made an error with my calculations of a gradual speed increase with a gradual increase in length? Perhaps more is gained in the first few inches than the last?

Also, those of you that are excited to put this long, exposed barrel on your gun? Why are you excited? Are you planning on trying to carry such a weapon?

Sorry to post the only negative comment in this thread but I just want some answers because I'm scratching my head over what seems like a large barrel extending party in here! :D

Also, if my memory serves, I thought I posted a critique early on in this thread?? Did somebody delete my post because it deviated from the status quo? That isn't very American.. :skep: I could be hallucinating though.. :ponder:

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Re: Check Out This Surprise Biatches

Post by Robar » 07 May 2011, 13:08

I don't think this barrel was intended for your carry gun. More for your range or comp gun.

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Re: Check Out This Surprise Biatches

Post by blueorison » 07 May 2011, 14:49

It's called a comp for a reason. It goes on the barrel and extends the dustcover lines. You're right, you probably won't benefit from it.

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Re: Check Out This Surprise Biatches

Post by srt-4_jon » 07 May 2011, 15:10

ShockedNKansas wrote: The gap between the PS90 and FsN barrell length is 11.29in. After the modification the gap is now around 9.29in. The modification has narrowed the gap between the pistol and the carbine by 17.71%. To put my rude arithmetic into real life terms applying the 17.71% reduction in length gap to a 17.71% reduction in speed gap we get:
Speed will not go up linearly as the length gets longer. If that were the case, you could argue that since the T6 goes 2,570 fps in a 4.75" barrel, that every inch gives you 541 fps so an extra 2" gets you 3246 fps. I am pretty sure it's the burn rate that effects where in the barrel the speed is built.




Also, how do I get in on one of those first 10 being done? I'd like a threaded barrel close to stock length without waiting forever at tornado tech.

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Re: Check Out This Surprise Biatches

Post by Prepper » 07 May 2011, 16:11

Me too, me too!
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