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obama bans SS109 & 855 GREEN TIP 5.56 FOR AR-15!

Posted: 03 Mar 2015, 08:52
by bruteandbear1
This is a deliberate and illegal executive action from our FLAMMING LIBERAL DOOSH of a president obama. We need to stand united as Americans to fight back against all of our rights getting Sh*t on constantly. I have a SCAR-L and this is the ammo it was made to shoot and shoot at longer ranges, now it is banned!

Re: obama bans SS109 & 855 GREEN TIP 5.56 FOR AR-15!

Posted: 03 Mar 2015, 09:25
by Rapier1772
Did you write your reps about it & tell them to stand against this BS?

How many of you (meaning everyone who is against this) actually wrote, or called, your reps?

Re: obama bans SS109 & 855 GREEN TIP 5.56 FOR AR-15!

Posted: 03 Mar 2015, 11:43
by bruteandbear1
I wrote statement for the cda press and will see were it goes from there. All people must know before I write to congress or anything of that manner.

Re: obama bans SS109 & 855 GREEN TIP 5.56 FOR AR-15!

Posted: 03 Mar 2015, 12:00
by Rapier1772
Everyone must know first? I'm more the simultaneous type. Same with the Idaho ID's not being in federal compliance. As soon as I verified it, I posted on facebook & sent reps a letter

Re: obama bans SS109 & 855 GREEN TIP 5.56 FOR AR-15!

Posted: 04 Mar 2015, 16:12
by kfeltenberger
bruteandbear1 wrote:This is a deliberate and illegal executive action from our FLAMMING LIBERAL DOOSH of a president obama. We need to stand united as Americans to fight back against all of our rights getting Sh*t on constantly. I have a SCAR-L and this is the ammo it was made to shoot and shoot at longer ranges, now it is banned!

It's been banned *already*? Gee...that's news to the world. It was a draft of what they *want* to do, nothing has happened yet.
bruteandbear1 wrote:I wrote statement for the cda press and will see were it goes from there. All people must know before I write to congress or anything of that manner.
This is an absolute waste of time. Unless the lawmakers and decision makers are contacted, griping in a limited run press is about as effective screaming your head off in a closet and expecting someone 2000 miles away to change their behavior.

Re: obama bans SS109 & 855 GREEN TIP 5.56 FOR AR-15!

Posted: 04 Mar 2015, 16:14
by PainKillaX
kfeltenberger wrote:screaming your head off in a closet
It'll take more than that to get me out of the closet! :laugh:

Re: obama bans SS109 & 855 GREEN TIP 5.56 FOR AR-15!

Posted: 04 Mar 2015, 18:52
by Rapier1772
PainKillaX wrote:
kfeltenberger wrote:screaming your head off in a closet
It'll take more than that to get me out of the closet! :laugh:
I could build a stun gun :p

Re: obama bans SS109 & 855 GREEN TIP 5.56 FOR AR-15!

Posted: 04 Mar 2015, 18:55
by c1demo
My congressman sent me an email regarding ss109

he is very pro NRA

https://www.bostforcongress.com/protect ... nt-rights/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: obama bans SS109 & 855 GREEN TIP 5.56 FOR AR-15!

Posted: 05 Mar 2015, 18:56
by nrv216
Emailed reps and ATF scumbags directly.

nrv216

Re: obama bans SS109 & 855 GREEN TIP 5.56 FOR AR-15!

Posted: 06 Mar 2015, 14:49
by Mister Freeze
The ATF & BHO can squawk all they want, but neither of the can make law. Or am I missing something? An Executive order doesn't apply to me, and a simple declaration by the ATF doesn't make me a criminal.

However, that hasn't stopped the run on ammo. Given the ammo shortage throughout his administration, it would not surprise me to find out he had investments in metals or ammo companies!

Re: obama bans SS109 & 855 GREEN TIP 5.56 FOR AR-15!

Posted: 08 Mar 2015, 13:49
by kfeltenberger
Mister Freeze wrote:The ATF & BHO can squawk all they want, but neither of the can make law. Or am I missing something? An Executive order doesn't apply to me, and a simple declaration by the ATF doesn't make me a criminal.

However, that hasn't stopped the run on ammo. Given the ammo shortage throughout his administration, it would not surprise me to find out he had investments in metals or ammo companies!
The Congress makes the law, but the individual agencies often have broad latitude to *interpret* and *implement* the law, which is how ATF can "reinterpret" how they classify SS109 projectiles.

When they make that reclassification, it then has the force of law.

However...in this case, as soon as they do that they're going to get hammered with lawsuits arguing that they're violating both the letter and intent of the law they're reinterpreting since there were very clear exemptions written into it.

Might this stick? Yes, it might. Anytime you have an out of control Federal agency you have to worry, especially if it goes to the courts.

However, I would start looking behind the curtains and for what this could be distracting attention from...

Re: obama bans SS109 & 855 GREEN TIP 5.56 FOR AR-15!

Posted: 09 Mar 2015, 00:22
by Rapier1772
Looks like contacting reps might be working
http://thehill.com/regulation/administr ... lican-fire" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Some lawmakers are getting vocal about their opposition to the ATF's proposal & there are even a couple of reps calling for the abolishment of the ATF, saying it has gotten too powerful.

Re: obama bans SS109 & 855 GREEN TIP 5.56 FOR AR-15!

Posted: 09 Mar 2015, 06:51
by Mister Freeze

Re: obama bans SS109 & 855 GREEN TIP 5.56 FOR AR-15!

Posted: 10 Mar 2015, 13:09
by Rapier1772
VICTORY! For now....
http://www.atf.gov/press/releases/2015- ... ework.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/03 ... -proposal/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

FoxNews:
The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives is shelving a proposal to ban a popular but highly lethal type of bullet, amid opposition from gun-rights advocates and hundreds of members of Congress.
The agency said in a statement on Tuesday it would not seek to issue the final guidelines "at this time." The proposal pertained to M855 "green tip" ammunition, used in the AR-15 rifle, which regulators looked at banning because it can pierce police body armor.
The ATF said it would instead wait until Americans have finished commenting on the federal regulations and evaluate their comments and suggestions before "proceeding with any framework."
The statement follows 52 senators and 238 House members joining in opposition to any attempt the Obama administration might make to ban the ammo.

Re: obama bans SS109 & 855 GREEN TIP 5.56 FOR AR-15!

Posted: 10 Mar 2015, 13:14
by PainKillaX
Rapier1772 wrote:VICTORY! For now....
http://www.atf.gov/press/releases/2015- ... ework.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/03 ... -proposal/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

FoxNews:
The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives is shelving a proposal to ban a popular but highly lethal type of bullet, amid opposition from gun-rights advocates and hundreds of members of Congress.
The agency said in a statement on Tuesday it would not seek to issue the final guidelines "at this time." The proposal pertained to M855 "green tip" ammunition, used in the AR-15 rifle, which regulators looked at banning because it can pierce police body armor.
The ATF said it would instead wait until Americans have finished commenting on the federal regulations and evaluate their comments and suggestions before "proceeding with any framework."
The statement follows 52 senators and 238 House members joining in opposition to any attempt the Obama administration might make to ban the ammo.
Weren't they already going wait for the comments to close before they do anything? That was the point of the comments? It just seems like we're exactly where we've been for a week or two now. If anything, it's just more time for the frenzy buyers to frenzy buy... :p

Re: obama bans SS109 & 855 GREEN TIP 5.56 FOR AR-15!

Posted: 10 Mar 2015, 13:15
by Rapier1772
Read the letter at the ATF link, they're basically crying "uncle" at this point while saying that they will be bringing the proposal back after some re-hashing.

Re: obama bans SS109 & 855 GREEN TIP 5.56 FOR AR-15!

Posted: 10 Mar 2015, 14:20
by PainKillaX
Rapier1772 wrote:Read the letter at the ATF link, they're basically crying "uncle" at this point while saying that they will be bringing the proposal back after some re-hashing.
I DON'T KNOW HOW TO READ!

Re: obama bans SS109 & 855 GREEN TIP 5.56 FOR AR-15!

Posted: 10 Mar 2015, 15:11
by panzermk2
They where testing the water, it will come back.

Re: obama bans SS109 & 855 GREEN TIP 5.56 FOR AR-15!

Posted: 10 Mar 2015, 19:07
by Rapier1772
They may very well have lost their agency if they had shoved it through, judging from the number of politicians who were coming out against it.

Or they may have needed the A-10s Ditch posted about the police getting in the other thread http://www.fivesevenforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10528" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: obama bans SS109 & 855 GREEN TIP 5.56 FOR AR-15!

Posted: 10 Mar 2015, 19:32
by Oldbindlestiff
panzermk2 wrote:They where testing the water, it will come back.
:agree: