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Re: Need help with .223 reloads...

Post by f3rr37 » 03 Oct 2009, 15:26

Looks to me like the case length is too long, be sure you trim it down to spec.

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Re: Need help with .223 reloads...

Post by baloha » 03 Oct 2009, 15:47

romer522 wrote:Do you have any pics of a round that you have gotten stuck then dislodged? Any marks at the actual bullet that look like its been stuck into the rifling?

Chambering an unloaded piece of brass will tell us if its a sizing issue or a seating depth issue.
I just tried a resized brass and it didn't go so that must be it. If you look at the 5 brass i have in the pic you will see a ring about 1/9 of the way up from the bottom that is where it is stopping.

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Re: Need help with .223 reloads...

Post by mickey223 » 03 Oct 2009, 15:50

The shoulders still look a little "flat"

And good catch on the bullet depth, the canelure should be deeper as well.

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Re: Need help with .223 reloads...

Post by romer522 » 03 Oct 2009, 16:52

baloha wrote:
romer522 wrote:Do you have any pics of a round that you have gotten stuck then dislodged? Any marks at the actual bullet that look like its been stuck into the rifling?

Chambering an unloaded piece of brass will tell us if its a sizing issue or a seating depth issue.
I just tried a resized brass and it didn't go so that must be it. If you look at the 5 brass i have in the pic you will see a ring about 1/9 of the way up from the bottom that is where it is stopping.

Just to make sure, is the shellholder and sizing die making contact while your actually sizing?

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Re: Need help with .223 reloads...

Post by romer522 » 03 Oct 2009, 16:55

Oooh, here's a possibility.

Is the decapping/expander pin tightened down, too far down? So that the brass is bottoming out on the decaping pin prior to the die hitting the shellholder?

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Re: Need help with .223 reloads...

Post by baloha » 03 Oct 2009, 17:00

romer522 wrote:
baloha wrote:
romer522 wrote:Do you have any pics of a round that you have gotten stuck then dislodged? Any marks at the actual bullet that look like its been stuck into the rifling?

Chambering an unloaded piece of brass will tell us if its a sizing issue or a seating depth issue.
I just tried a resized brass and it didn't go so that must be it. If you look at the 5 brass i have in the pic you will see a ring about 1/9 of the way up from the bottom that is where it is stopping.

Just to make sure, is the shellholder and sizing die making contact while your actually sizing?
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Re: Need help with .223 reloads...

Post by romer522 » 03 Oct 2009, 17:02

Next step is to try a new sizing die then.

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Re: Need help with .223 reloads...

Post by Grantness » 03 Oct 2009, 20:56

baloha wrote:
Wollychop wrote:Screw the die down with the ram all the way up until it makes contact. Then lower the ram and give it another quarter or half turn and then size a few, see if you get better results.
K did that, hows these look middle 3 look outer 2 are factory
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Perhaps those lines across the middle of the soft point bullets are a result of the bullets being pushed up into the throat of the barrel? ...or that could just be from your seating die. Still, I agree with the others that you should seat the bullets a little deeper. The shoulders on your brass definately dont look like they've been set back as much as the factory brass next to them. If you've tried turning the die in more and that didnt work, checked the trim on your brass, and seated the bullets deeper....I'd have to say its gotta be something to do with the die itself.

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Re: Need help with .223 reloads...

Post by f3rr37 » 03 Oct 2009, 22:52

You've yet to say that you've trimmed the brass... here is what I'm seeing:

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The green transparent line is a straight line from the top of the two factory rounds on either side. The middle three cases are clearly much taller than the other two.

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Re: Need help with .223 reloads...

Post by baloha » 04 Oct 2009, 04:42

f3rr37 wrote:You've yet to say that you've trimmed the brass... here is what I'm seeing:

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The green transparent line is a straight line from the top of the two factory rounds on either side. The middle three cases are clearly much taller than the other two.
I didn't trim the brass because it has only been fired once but I will give it a try.

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Re: Need help with .223 reloads...

Post by f3rr37 » 04 Oct 2009, 14:36

That's your problem then. From the looks of it, looking at the middle cartridge it almost looks like a double crimp, a regular one and then another at the very top of the mouth of the case. I would say those rounds are literally getting jammed into the chamber.

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Re: Need help with .223 reloads...

Post by Wollychop » 04 Oct 2009, 14:38

It can be surprising how much brass can flow (stretch) even after just one firing and running through a full length sizing die.

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Re: Need help with .223 reloads...

Post by Grantness » 04 Oct 2009, 14:54

I guess one of the benefits of learning to reload on the 5.7x28 is that you become very careful about details. No matter what caliber I reload, I always measure each case to see if it needs trimming, check for bullet runout, I check the first couple cases after sizing to see if they will chamber, I weigh my charges, and I always measure the OAL after seating. It seems 5.7x28 made a benchrest reloader out of me without me even knowing it :laugh:

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Re: Need help with .223 reloads...

Post by romer522 » 04 Oct 2009, 15:17

Length very well might be it, but I dunno if you should write off the funky necks your getting out of that Redding.

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Re: Need help with .223 reloads...

Post by baloha » 04 Oct 2009, 15:34

Grantness wrote:I guess one of the benefits of learning to reload on the 5.7x28 is that you become very careful about details. No matter what caliber I reload, I always measure each case to see if it needs trimming, check for bullet runout, I check the first couple cases after sizing to see if they will chamber, I weigh my charges, and I always measure the OAL after seating. It seems 5.7x28 made a benchrest reloader out of me without me even knowing it :laugh:
After I learn the .223 i am going to start 5.7 and try it for hunting with the speer trophy bear claw bullet. But I just screwed up my decapping pin on the redding die on a military crimp. so i got to call monday and get a new one. Newbie mistakes suck..but the best to learn from.

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Re: Need help with .223 reloads...

Post by Wollychop » 04 Oct 2009, 16:38

Very true. Make a mistake once, learn from it, move on :)

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Re: Need help with .223 reloads...

Post by baloha » 10 Oct 2009, 10:13

Latest development....
I screwed down my fl sizing die so it is a quarter turn pass the shellplate like redding said and some of you. I also trimmed all cases to the right length or a little below. The case dimensions are all right also. It still refused to seat.This is a picture of the reload now left reload,, right factory
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Now this next reload fired , it was the same dies but I seated the bullet so you could not see the "vertical lines" on the bullet. The bolt blew back but the case stayed in the barrel.
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