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Need help with .223 reloads...

Post by baloha » 03 Oct 2009, 10:58

I am new to reloading and am starting out with .223. I have shot some of my reloads in a RockRiver ar15 and most are not chambering all the way. We are having to hit the charging handle back with a 2x4 and hammer to get them out (not something i like to do). My question is why is this happening? I have resized them all and have the right length. They will seat all but 1/4 of an inch in the barrel. factory ammo shots just fine through it. Any help would be much appreciated, Thanks.

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Re: Need help with .223 reloads...

Post by Wollychop » 03 Oct 2009, 11:11

If you've verified that you have the correct OAL, first make sure the rest of the case dimensions are correct as well, from neck all the way to the case head.

Also ensure that the cartridge length is correct and that it doesn't need some trimming.

Could be a number of things, from improper seating depth to bad dies.

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Re: Need help with .223 reloads...

Post by mickey223 » 03 Oct 2009, 11:33

What dies are you using, and are you neck sizing or full sizing the brass?

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Re: Need help with .223 reloads...

Post by baloha » 03 Oct 2009, 11:57

mickey223 wrote:What dies are you using, and are you neck sizing or full sizing the brass?
I'm using a Redding 3 die set; Full length, Bullet seating and taper crimping on a Dillon 550.

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Re: Need help with .223 reloads...

Post by mickey223 » 03 Oct 2009, 12:01

If it is a full size die, sounds like the die is off. Compare one you made to a commercial brass, definitely looking at the relationship to the shoulder. And measure the distance above labled 1.4378 and 2.2598.

Post a pic of your load with a commercial so we can see

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Post by baloha » 03 Oct 2009, 12:41

mickey223 wrote:If it is a full size die, sounds like the die is off. Compare one you made to a commercial brass, definitely looking at the relationship to the shoulder. And measure the distance above labled 1.4378 and 2.2598.

Post a pic of your load with a commercial so we can see
The ones on the left are the Factory...
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Re: Need help with .223 reloads...

Post by romer522 » 03 Oct 2009, 13:00

That came out of a Redding die? It looks very weird, and asymmetrical.

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Re: Need help with .223 reloads...

Post by mickey223 » 03 Oct 2009, 13:03

Looks like the die is defective, just eyballing the pics, the shoulder on the reload on the right is off and almost flat.

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Re: Need help with .223 reloads...

Post by romer522 » 03 Oct 2009, 13:14

Do you have your sizing die tight down to the shellholder? I simply cannot imagine a Redding getting out the door that is THAT bad.

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Post by baloha » 03 Oct 2009, 13:23

romer522 wrote:Do you have your sizing die tight down to the shellholder? I simply cannot imagine a Redding getting out the door that is THAT bad.
The die should be barely touching the shellholder right? If yes then it is tight down.

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Re: Need help with .223 reloads...

Post by Wollychop » 03 Oct 2009, 13:33

Screw the die down with the ram all the way up until it makes contact. Then lower the ram and give it another quarter or half turn and then size a few, see if you get better results.

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Re: Need help with .223 reloads...

Post by romer522 » 03 Oct 2009, 14:28

Also was the brass shot out of the same gun your trying to chamber it in?

Using the Redding shellholder? Not their competition holders right?

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Re: Need help with .223 reloads...

Post by Grantness » 03 Oct 2009, 14:35

The shellholder should be making contact with the die while sizing the case. Sometimes its not enough for the shellholder to just touch the die w/o a case. To get rid of any play in the press, screw the die in an extra half turn or so like Wollychop suggested.

If you've checked the trim length and the oal, and your rounds still won't chamber, then it could be the die. If you are running close to the max OAL, try seating a little deeper to make sure that isn't an issue. That case looks crooked at the shoulder and at the base. Either the die is off, or the ram on your press isnt aligned with the die properly. Redding is known for quality, so it would be surprising to find one of their dies so far off spec. You may want to give them a call and see about having your die replaced.

Am I correct in assuming that both the size die and the AR are .223 remington and not 5.56? What about the cases you are using?

Also, check to see if the rounds will chamber before you run them through the crimp die.

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Re: Need help with .223 reloads...

Post by Wollychop » 03 Oct 2009, 14:40

One other (minor) observation. Soft point bullets like that can have a hard time chambering as the soft point sometimes deforms during chambering . I pretty much stay away from bullets like that for autoloading rifles.

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Re: Need help with .223 reloads...

Post by baloha » 03 Oct 2009, 14:51

Wollychop wrote:Screw the die down with the ram all the way up until it makes contact. Then lower the ram and give it another quarter or half turn and then size a few, see if you get better results.
K did that, hows these look middle 3 look outer 2 are factory
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Post by baloha » 03 Oct 2009, 14:53

romer522 wrote:Also was the brass shot out of the same gun your trying to chamber it in?

Using the Redding shellholder? Not their competition holders right?
I got the shellholder from dillon along with the dies. The dies are redding tho I don't know about the shellholder. Some of the ammo was out of the same gun and some was once fired brass that we got from brassmanbrass.com.

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Re: Need help with .223 reloads...

Post by romer522 » 03 Oct 2009, 14:55

Can you chamber a piece of brass w/o a bullet seated?

The Ogive on the reloaded rounds looks substantially higher than the factory, that could be one of the problems. However the sized brass still doesn't liike quite "crisp" enough at the shoulder.

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Re: Need help with .223 reloads...

Post by Wollychop » 03 Oct 2009, 15:02

Romer just made a great observation. Try seating those bullets deeper, until the cannelure is juuuuust visible above the rim.

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Re: Need help with .223 reloads...

Post by baloha » 03 Oct 2009, 15:09

Just to clarify this is the problem... The bullet still sicks out and the bolt cant push it in or extracted it.
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Re: Need help with .223 reloads...

Post by romer522 » 03 Oct 2009, 15:21

Do you have any pics of a round that you have gotten stuck then dislodged? Any marks at the actual bullet that look like its been stuck into the rifling?

Chambering an unloaded piece of brass will tell us if its a sizing issue or a seating depth issue.

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