Best .40 S&W loads?

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Best .40 S&W loads?

Post by Grantness » 26 Dec 2008, 09:28

What do you guys reccomend? 155-165gr and fast, or 180gr and slow? (yea,yea...I know option C: 180gr and fast :laugh: ).

Anyone got any pet loads to start me off? I've been searching around and it seems like Longshot, Blue Dot, Power Pistol, Acc #7, V N-350, V-3n37, HS-6 (havnt seen much HS-7, but from my experience its often better), Universal, and Unique all look to be some of the best powders.

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Re: Best .40 S&W loads?

Post by t1210 » 26 Dec 2008, 18:04

Grantness,
What lengh barrel ? I normally go with the lighter bullets in the smaller guns to lessen recoil and still keep enough speed to upset in the target.

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Re: Best .40 S&W loads?

Post by Grantness » 26 Dec 2008, 18:11

I believe its about 3.5 inches (Glock 27). I just ordered some 165gr golden sabers in bulk...

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Re: Best .40 S&W loads?

Post by stg2ahn » 26 Dec 2008, 18:40

I personally would stick with 180 grain because most target ammo is 180 grain.

Hydrashocks and HST are great defense loads.

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Post by fatherfoof » 26 Dec 2008, 19:17

Unique to play with in my 27. I cannot make it malfunction. For carry I use Winchester Silvertips in the DeSantis Nemesis (about 13 bucks). In shorts and tucked in tee shirt all summer nobody can tell you're armed and the beauty is you actually forget it yourself it's so comfortable. Great thing, as I'm sure you know, you can if needsbe use any 40 SW mag Glock makes regardless of which gun they're designed for.
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Post by Holliday89 » 26 Dec 2008, 19:21

I shoot 40 for my limited gun in USPSA. here are the loads I use for Major power factor and Minor.

IPSC/USPSA Major Load (.40 S&W)

Bullet Excel - 180 Grain copper plated Truncated Cone
Primer Winchester Small Pistol
O.A.L 1.19 (medium - light crimp)
Powder Titegroup
Powder Charge 5.2 Grains
FPS 998 - 1008 fps = 180 - 181 PF



IPSC/USPSA Minor Load (.40 S&W)

Bullet Excel - 180 Grain copper plated Truncated Cone
Primer Winchester Small Pistol
O.A.L 1.125
Powder Clays
Powder Charge 3.4 Grains
FPS 695 - 700 fps

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Re: Best .40 S&W loads?

Post by Grantness » 26 Dec 2008, 20:57

cool...thanks guys :thumb:

Im looking for self-defense loads mostly. From looking at load manuals, it looks like the lighter bullets are winning out in the ft/lbs area. I havnt seen any 180gr loads much over 1100fps (484ft/lbs) , but ive seen a number of 155gr loads in the 1250-1300fps (538-582ft/lbs) range.

....and I realize most of these loads are standardized for a 4 inch barrel, but I can still get an idea how the different loads are going to perform relative to each other.

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Post by ArtosDracon » 26 Dec 2008, 22:21

I recommend any .40S&W load that's been necked down to fire 9mm/.355 bullets. :D

All joking aside, they're pretty pricey, but I've had good luck with double tap ammo.

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Post by Grantness » 27 Dec 2008, 09:20

I know, Im planning on getting a .357 SIG barrel eventually....

double tap? are you talking about Hornady TAP?

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Post by stg2ahn » 27 Dec 2008, 11:37

double tap is a brand. ( think Ford)

Hornady TAP is a type of ammo Hornady makes.

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Post by ArtosDracon » 27 Dec 2008, 23:06

Double tap is in fact a brand:
Double Tap .40S&W loads

I like the 165gr Gold Dot's for .40 personally. The 125gr Gold dots in .357Sig. They offer a lot of good options though, just depends on what you're looking for.

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Post by Grantness » 27 Dec 2008, 23:21

cool, ive already got some 180gr Gold Dots, cause thats what my sheriff's deputy buddy says he carries. I will have to try the 165gr variety. Does anyone know if the Gold Dot bullets are sold as components and where?

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Post by ArtosDracon » 28 Dec 2008, 01:41

Midway's got them, so I'm sure just about any reloading supply place will have them. They're extremely popular. They're my standard carry in everything .355" and up. I generally go for the higher velocity lower weight, though not neccissarily the lowest weight, gives a higher muzzle energy, though the lack of weight means that the energy falls off faster, but I generally don't shoot at people outside of 20-25 yards, so I'm not so worried about that, and the higher velocity will mean greater expansion out of the gold dots. It's a lot of personal preference and what you and your gun run the best with. I say pick up double taps sampler pack and see which ones run the best through your gun. My G35 with lone wolf barrel will fire anything I've put in it thus far, but it really likes the higher velocity rounds, probably due to it's being compensated internally. Double tap builds all of their rounds with a full size glock in mind, and tests them with the full and the baby glock. Find one you like, tear down a spare and see what it uses, and go from there.

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Post by Grantness » 01 Jan 2009, 18:36

I've noticed that in my Lee and Hodgdon manuals there is a warning under the 40 S&W that says something like: Do not use in Glock or similar huns with chambers that do not fully support the cartridge due to the intrusion of the feed ramp.

Am I going to run into problems using reloads in the Glock 27?

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Post by LK45s » 01 Jan 2009, 20:12

I don't know much about glocks but I found this site http://www.glockfaq.com/default.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and there is some interesting info there.
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Post by Holliday89 » 01 Jan 2009, 20:28

I have been reading my USPSA/IPSC fourm for some helpful info.
Most of the shooters who shoot 40 out of a glock, (mostly the 35) switched to a KKM barrel because the aftermarket barrel for the fully supported chamber because of running major PF. Most IPSC shooters that get an aftermarket barrel do so becasue of shooting lead bullets.

When I shot a 35 in Limited class with major Power factor I used factory loads with the glock factory barrel. I shot what ever I could find at the time before i started reloading. Federal, Winchester, Hornady, PMC, & speer never had a problem with Factory 40 making major PF. I reload it to get a "softer feel" and better recoil control and more acuracy from round to round.

I did sell my 35 and got a custom 2011 STI .40 to use in Limited class once I really got into setting up my own ammo.
Here is quote from Kevin C about the barrels. from the forums
I think a big reason for aftermarket barrels (besides the common impulse to tinker with our guns) is ammo related. Some want to shoot lead, and there are a lot of folks, including the good folks who make these plastic bullet spitters, who advise against using cast in a polygonally rifled bbl. Some dislike the assymmetrically bulged ("guppy bellied") brass that the generously cut Glock chambers produce. Some worry that those "unsupported" chambers lead to KB's. Glock after market bbls have standard rifling in which lead can be shot, no questions asked, and tighter chambers.

Accuracy is often quoted as a reason to get a new bbl, but Glocks are not bad straight out of the box, and I believe it's the fitting of an oversized aftermkt bbl that makes it more accurate than the stock one.

I have good aftermkt bbls (BarSto) for my Glocks, but they aren't more accurate in my guns, are more finicky on ammo, and are definitely slower (the polygonal bbls reportedly obturate better and get more velocity out of the same powder charge). I will be going to the Nats this fall with my 35's sporting the bbls they came with.



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Re: Best .40 S&W loads?

Post by Grantness » 01 Jan 2009, 22:41

Thanks guys. I dunno if im gonna get a new barrel anytime soon. I read somewhere that Federal has improved the webbing on their .40 brass to help prevent this problem. I guess I will just use good brass and common sense... :?:

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Post by fatherfoof » 02 Jan 2009, 10:38

Grant, I have 4 glocks in different calibers, and have reloaded without problem since the first year they were imported. One sidenote on my faith in the 40... We were issued 357 magnums, and then were switched out to the Ber 96 in .40. Quite often, we had to dispatch some cow or deer that wandered onto the highway. The deer was the same, but on cows we took a heart shot--just one, and it died. With the 40 Black Talons they gave us, we kept shooting and the blasted things would not die. First time it happened we had three cars there and put 30 rounds into the cow before it died. After that I have had no faith in the round unless the bullet sits atop a full power 10mm. Just my personal opinion based on observation.
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Re: Best .40 S&W loads?

Post by Walkalong » 08 Jan 2009, 16:33

I really like Universal Clays in .40. It shoots great with Zero 165 Gr JHP's. I like slow 180 Gr loads for plinking. They are more comfortable than peppy 155 & 165 Gr loads in my XD SC. I had a Witness Elite Match and everything was OK in that since it was fairly weighty, but even in it leisurely 180's were preferable for plinking.

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Post by ehryk » 17 Jan 2009, 03:01

fatherfoof wrote:With the 40 Black Talons they gave us, we kept shooting and the blasted things would not die. First time it happened we had three cars there and put 30 rounds into the cow before it died. After that I have had no faith in the round unless the bullet sits atop a full power 10mm. Just my personal opinion based on observation.
actually, I bet those rounds performed exactly as they were intended to. They penetrated 12"-16" and no more in a human and I bet its more than 16" deep to a cows heart. I have treated people shot by a .357 when I was a medic in Detroit back in the mid to late 80s. Every one exited the bad guy, regardles of his build and placement. Dont take this wrong, but it was just the wrong bullet for the job on the cows.

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