Flowers from FNP-9M

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Flowers from FNP-9M

Post by fd57 » 05 Apr 2010, 09:38

Some photos of bullets from a FNP-9M. All were "self-defense" rounds shot through a slab of pork ribs into gallon jugs filled with saturated newspaper backed by packed high-density sand from 20 feet.

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Re: Flowers from FNP-9M

Post by murphies_finest » 05 Apr 2010, 09:47

Sweet!
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Re: Flowers from FNP-9M

Post by fd57 » 05 Apr 2010, 09:52

I was able to test 17 different lines and/or brands of 9mm ammunition. I was surprised by some results. Although this was my first test so before I would write off any particular brand/line of ammo I would repeat more testing.

I also tested SS197SR, SS192, SS198, and the S4 Special Run from Elite. I was really surprised by the 5.7 results, more so than with the 9mm.

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Post by murphies_finest » 05 Apr 2010, 09:55

I bet i have done my own ballistic tests on body armor with 197 and 195 and surprised with the results now im gonna start using car doors and other "hardened" object. such as cmu blocks shetts rock and what not with some innocent fruits as the victims.
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Re: Flowers from FNP-9M

Post by fd57 » 05 Apr 2010, 10:00

What surprised me with the SS192 and the Elite S4 special run was that in the jugs I found the brass tip with what appeared to be the bullet inside. For the SS197SR I found the gray bullet as expected.

Would this be normal - to find the triangle-like brass tip intact in the substrate? Pardon my gun-english as I'm new and may be mis-using a word. To give a better idea of what I found - imagine pulling the bullet from an unspent SS192 or S4 round - that is what I found in the jugs. I thought I would find that brass (is it brass?) "tip" and the bullet separate.

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Re: Flowers from FNP-9M

Post by f3rr37 » 05 Apr 2010, 10:02

The SS192 round is comprised of a copper jacket with an aluminum core.

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Re: Flowers from FNP-9M

Post by fd57 » 05 Apr 2010, 10:11

So would you expect to find the copper jacket with the aluminum core intact? Or would you expect the jacket to separate/expand as shown in the 9mm photos?

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Re: Flowers from FNP-9M

Post by f3rr37 » 05 Apr 2010, 10:16

The jacket won't expand like a normal hollow-point. The HP actually deforms to the side and causes the round to tumble. I think there are pictures on the forum where the jacket has separated from the aluminum core.

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Re: Flowers from FNP-9M

Post by Mister Freeze » 05 Apr 2010, 17:23

f3rr37 wrote:The SS192 round is comprised of a copper jacket with an aluminum core.
just checking, but aren't you describing ss190? Isn't ss192 a hollowpoint, superceded by ss195?

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Re: Flowers from FNP-9M

Post by Mister Freeze » 05 Apr 2010, 17:24

Fd57: Nice Bouquet!

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Re: Flowers from FNP-9M

Post by f3rr37 » 05 Apr 2010, 18:07

Mister Freeze wrote:
f3rr37 wrote:The SS192 round is comprised of a copper jacket with an aluminum core.
just checking, but aren't you describing ss190? Isn't ss192 a hollowpoint, superceded by ss195?
Nope, SS190 is a copper jacket, aluminum core, with a steel penetrator.

T194, SS192, SS195, SS198 all use the same bullet, a 27/28 (depends on who you ask) grain projectile. I did forget to mention in my original post that it is a hollow-point.

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Re: Flowers from FNP-9M

Post by fd57 » 05 Apr 2010, 18:57

Here is all minus the 5.7 rounds I noted in this thread. I didn't get photos of those but will when I return.

Bet ya can pick out the one 5.7 bullet :)


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Re: Flowers from FNP-9M

Post by Valorius » 19 May 2010, 03:20

The CorBon DPX, Fed HST and Speer Gold Dots all seem to have expanded extremely well in your tests.

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Re: Flowers from FNP-9M

Post by fd57 » 19 May 2010, 09:59

Almost. CorBon DPX and Federal HST yes. Speer Gold Dots not so much.

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Re: Flowers from FNP-9M

Post by Valorius » 19 May 2010, 11:21

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2nd row, far right, those are not Gold Dots?

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Re: Flowers from FNP-9M

Post by f3rr37 » 19 May 2010, 11:30

2nd row far right looks like HST to me.

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Re: Flowers from FNP-9M

Post by ChuckD » 19 May 2010, 12:12

satellitedr3ams wrote:
f3rr37 wrote:2nd row far right looks like HST to me.
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Buffman wrote:I didn't have enough milk jugs to do an averaged test today, but this 147gr 9mm (non +P) HST round expanded to .712" from the wife's 3.93" Barrelled Semi Compact Baby Eagle.. Went through two milk jugs and piereced the third, and was found lying in front of it. Shot was from about 12 feet.

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Re: Flowers from FNP-9M

Post by Valorius » 29 May 2010, 21:09

The HST looks almost identical to the Gold Dot. Fancy that.

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Re: Flowers from FNP-9M

Post by flyingirish04 » 30 May 2010, 08:35

Not at all in my opinion. Gold Dots have never expanded like that in my experience. I have only done this type of testing with 9mm, and I found that in a 10 round shoot, only 4 or 5 of my gold dots ever expanded well. Just my experience, but I would never carry gold dot ammo. I know the US Marshalls got rid of it too, though I don't know why exactly. On the other hand, I do know that several police forces and the French swear by Gold Dots though.
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Re: Flowers from FNP-9M

Post by flyingirish04 » 30 May 2010, 08:37

Very interesting to see that the Black Talons and the Ranger SXTs still expand very similarly. I hadn't done any testing with the Rangers, but I think I will pick some up now for sure.
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