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Re: Shooting EA Ammo (and others) Into Clay Blocks

Post by cHaMeLeoN352 » 13 Apr 2011, 21:17

Wow! Great production :clap:

I am glad to see the Protector did not penetrate all the way through, as I (like many others) worry about overpenetration due to living in close proximity to others.

I also see you are from Jville, I used to live in Gville for 15 years, I Love FL :)

Thank you for the informative video :thumb:

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Post by jgreenberg01 » 14 Apr 2011, 05:05

panzermk2 wrote:Can Lisa add this to our EA video page on our website?
Absolutely!
Zhurdan wrote:Why not shoot it with a 22 mag, side by side with the.5.7 stuff? wouldn't that be a more effective test to show the.haters?
I would if I owned one. I have a Henry .22lr lever action rifle, and the only .22mag I even considered was the PMR-30, but I've watched it jam in almost every video I've seen it in. No thanks to that... :laugh:
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Re: Shooting EA Ammo (and others) Into Clay Blocks

Post by Zhurdan » 14 Apr 2011, 05:20

panzermk2wife wrote:
Zhurdan wrote:Why not shoot it with a 22 mag, side by side with the.5.7 stuff? wouldn't that be a more effective test to show the.haters?
What would be the point? They would say it was fake anyway :facepalm:

Neat video :thumb:
Ha.. probably, but I'd be damn interested in the difference between the SS197 and the 22mag just for shits and giggles.

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Post by panzermk2wife » 14 Apr 2011, 06:56

jgreenberg01 wrote:
panzermk2 wrote:Can Lisa add this to our EA video page on our website?
Absolutely!
Thanks :thumb:
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Re: Shooting EA Ammo (and others) Into Clay Blocks

Post by Reese706 » 14 Apr 2011, 08:14

What happened to the claims of the Fiveseven giving far superior terminal ballistics than any other pistol caliber? Didn't see that from the video, just like i didn't in the field testing on game. But i'm a troll..for pointing this fact out..lol. Looks likes someones busted Panzer. Wheres the dude now that was talking all that hydrostatic shock mess and its close to a rifle in performance? Since when is slightly less performance than a .45acp hydroshock round close to rifle territory? Or even a 10mm pistol? Its good performance for such a small round..all i'm saying is don't hype this thing up to more than it really is.

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Post by Mister Freeze » 14 Apr 2011, 09:48

ooooohhhh! I feel a smackdown coming! :p :clap:

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Post by PainKillaX » 14 Apr 2011, 10:16

The only thing I have to say, since when does a .22mag make a hole .11 inch smaller in diameter than a .45 hollow point?

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Post by Reese706 » 14 Apr 2011, 10:27

PainKillaX wrote:The only thing I have to say, since when does a .22mag make a hole .11 inch smaller in diameter than a .45 hollow point?
Who said anything about .22 mag? We were debating on another post on 5.7 not .22mag.I Never said it was a .22mag. But i also didn't claim, like some on here that it was vastly more of devasting a round than any common Sd round either. In fact i disputed this claim because i have first hand knowledge of how it performed in the field. Then i was called a liar and a troll. Now since the proof is out there the next move is to ignore me because thats what you do when you have egg in your face and can't defend your claims. But anyway i feel vindicated now..i'll move on

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Post by blueorison » 14 Apr 2011, 12:48

Reese706 wrote:
PainKillaX wrote:The only thing I have to say, since when does a .22mag make a hole .11 inch smaller in diameter than a .45 hollow point?
Who said anything about .22 mag? We were debating on another post on 5.7 not .22mag.I Never said it was a .22mag. But i also didn't claim, like some on here that it was vastly more of devasting a round than any common Sd round either. In fact i disputed this claim because i have first hand knowledge of how it performed in the field. Then i was called a liar and a troll. Now since the proof is out there the next move is to ignore me because thats what you do when you have egg in your face and can't defend your claims. But anyway i feel vindicated now..i'll move on
What proof of you having first hand knowledge of how it performed in the field?
A common SD round can be a .22mag or a .380.
Your only motive seems to be to attack EA. Have you ever shot their ammunition so as to be able to have "first hand" knowledge and actually be educated enough to speak on their rounds?
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Post by CenCalSplicer » 14 Apr 2011, 13:06

In all fairness I would like to see Reese put his proof out there the way Greenberg put his test out there for us to see. It could prove to be either a learning experience, a random event or complete crap. Like they say, the proof is in the pudding. I was personally impressed with the 5.7's performance into the clay block and can't express my gratitude for greenberg spending his own money on a test like this.

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Post by Reese706 » 14 Apr 2011, 14:36

blueorison wrote:
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PainKillaX wrote:The only thing I have to say, since when does a .22mag make a hole .11 inch smaller in diameter than a .45 hollow point?
Who said anything about .22 mag? We were debating on another post on 5.7 not .22mag.I Never said it was a .22mag. But i also didn't claim, like some on here that it was vastly more of devasting a round than any common Sd round either. In fact i disputed this claim because i have first hand knowledge of how it performed in the field. Then i was called a liar and a troll. Now since the proof is out there the next move is to ignore me because thats what you do when you have egg in your face and can't defend your claims. But anyway i feel vindicated now..i'll move on
What proof of you having first hand knowledge of how it performed in the field?
A common SD round can be a .22mag or a .380.
Your only motive seems to be to attack EA. Have you ever shot their ammunition so as to be able to have "first hand" knowledge and actually be educated enough to speak on their rounds?
First off if my motive was to attack Ea. Why would i give their round ANY credit at all. If you read carefully i said it does pretty good for the size of the cartridge. I dont have a vendetta agaist Ea or the round if so i would have sold my gun a long time ago and not give any credit. Second i own a FSn and have both Fn factory ammo as well as Elite Ammunition ammo. I have no reason to get up here to lie..for what? Third all we have to do is go back to past posts on the other thread where this started and see that all the claims that were made by you and others did not hold up just like i said it wouldnt. So why would i need to prove anything when this video right here on your very own forum proves what i knew all along. If it cant outperform a .45 even in a clay block test . Tell me how it will outperform it in real world? Oh yeah i know the mystical hydrostatic shock theory :lmao:

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Post by Prepper » 14 Apr 2011, 15:14

The video convinced me that I made a good choice going with the FsN that I bought only recently.
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Post by Buffman » 14 Apr 2011, 15:21

You've made claims to not being able to kill an armadillo with one shot, yet we have VIDEO's of single shot FSN kills of big hogs, with even SS197SR if I recall correctly.
I don't think there's any direct way to compare clay to ballistic's gel. Something more or less fun to do. Then again I never claimed it to be superior :) To me, I'd have to agree with one of the last articles I read in combat handguns about putting too much emphasis on ballasitic gel results.

I'll pick up some of these blocks this weekend if i get the chance, and will try .22 mag, and maybe some .45 HST

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Post by Robar » 14 Apr 2011, 15:33

Real world evidence of the terminal ballistics of any projectile is usually found during an autopsy. Although shooting gel and clay blocks is fun and can give an idea of what you might expect it is, in it's self, not real world. Usually the military is the first to see real world evidence of terminal ballistics to a human body then law enforcement is next. The only problem with that is the military won't usually give up that kind of information and neither will LE. Autopsy photos of this kind are kept as evidence and are not made public. Notice Google doesn't have any autopsy pics of a 5.7 wound.
Here is a decent article that may help explain some thoughts on the effectiveness projectiles.

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Post by blueorison » 14 Apr 2011, 15:35

Reese, check your pm.
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Post by Mister Freeze » 14 Apr 2011, 16:32

I offer this:
The clay tests are valid in the absence of high speed photography for gel tests. Because the clay is not elastic, it does not rebound like gel and close the hydrostatic wound cavity.

5.7 vs .45? Given that the wound characteristics are similar, accuracy and capacity are the factors to consider.

besides, you smell weird and your mother dresses you funny. :p

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Post by Robar » 14 Apr 2011, 16:36

Mister Freeze wrote:
besides, you smell weird and your mother dresses you funny. :p
Hay, I resemble that remark. :facepalm:

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Re: Shooting EA Ammo (and others) Into Clay Blocks

Post by ddouglas » 14 Apr 2011, 17:11

I don't think it is necessary or appropriate to smart-ass Reese706. He has a point of view. And since the 5.7 is always compared (mostly by others) to the .22Mag, a test into clay would be a comparative view. To paraphrase someone here, tests on gelatin and clay don't reflect the real world. But there's value in having comparative data, even if it can't be directly applied.

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Post by Rapier1772 » 14 Apr 2011, 17:24

Mister Freeze wrote:besides, you smell weird and your mother dresses you funny. :p
Careful, you know how people get when they think they might be being insulted, even if it is jest.

I haven't seen Reese enough to know what sense of humor to expect :skep:

Personally, I would like to see a clay target of every caliber, just for comparison :D
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