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Re: New Kal Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 04 Jan 2011, 14:15
by jgreenberg01
satellitedr3ams wrote:Agreed my eyes just came.
Ocular bukake... I would say that's a new one but I think experienced the same thing :laugh:

14+1, buck shot in one tube, hit the switch and shoot slugs (or whatever) from the other! I am soooo getting one just to see if my trigger finger will come like my eyes!

Re: New Kel Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 04 Jan 2011, 22:32
by fzr confused
hmmmm, yeah i will def NEED one of these! i love my saiga by my bed, but that would be even better until i SBS the saiga lol.

Re: New Kel Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 05 Jan 2011, 04:01
by Ariac
Damn you Kel Tec, I knew you were sandbagging before. I am gonna need one of these ASAP lol.

Re: New Kel Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 05 Jan 2011, 06:07
by jgreenberg01
From the official press release:
MSRP has not been officially been set, but we are looking at the $800.00 range.
http://www.keltecweapons.com/news/previ ... hotgun-ksg

Re: New Kel Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 05 Jan 2011, 06:57
by Rapier1772
jgreenberg01 wrote:From the official press release:
MSRP has not been officially been set, but we are looking at the $800.00 range.
http://www.keltecweapons.com/news/previ ... hotgun-ksg
And the MSRP on the ACR was $1500? Actual retail sale 2700?
I am not trusting that sort of prediction again

Re: New Kel Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 05 Jan 2011, 10:17
by Buffman
MSRP on the RFB was $1800 as they stated, and you can usually get them for $1200-1400 now.

Re: New Kel Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 05 Jan 2011, 11:48
by PainKillaX
Do we know WHEN in 2011? This is probably the most exciting gun I've seen for a while. And I want one two right now.

Re: New Kel Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 05 Jan 2011, 12:37
by toyslr
Looks like an RFB on roids....

Re: New Kel Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 05 Jan 2011, 12:52
by Mister Freeze
If i could afford it, I think I'd get one to augment my S12. Right now, though, I can't even afford to pay attention :(

Re: New Kel Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 05 Jan 2011, 12:53
by panzermk2
I have already placed my order through one of our suppliers.

Re: New Kel Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 05 Jan 2011, 13:01
by jmz5
I want, I want!

Re: New Kal Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 05 Jan 2011, 17:05
by fzr confused
satellitedr3ams wrote:this is one kel tec i wouldn't want to risk blowing up in my face.
the sad thing for ME is the only gun i have EVER had "blow up" in my face was my FsN at 154 rounds of 195's through it...i have 3 kel tecs, a p11, p3at and a .40 sub2000 and i have several thousand rounds through them (95% through the sub2000) and i have yet to even have a jam with them... :ponder:...i have no problem at all trusting kel tecs :cya:

Re: New Kel Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 05 Jan 2011, 21:02
by lazi
I bought a sub2000 in .40 because it was $300 and could take a 30+ round mags. I was surprised at how well it did out to 25 yards and will think i would be pretty happy out to 50. and it pumped out every thing I put in except some steel case that are known to not work right. they fired without a problem but feed like crap. so far I wouldn't have any problems buying another keltec. don't let the cheesy plastic look fool you. they work...

Re: New Kel Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 05 Jan 2011, 23:55
by Rapier1772
panzermk2 wrote:I have already placed my order through one of our suppliers.
Cheater! Image

Re: New Kel Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 06 Jan 2011, 02:41
by DAUG
Rapier1772 wrote:
panzermk2 wrote:I have already placed my order through one of our suppliers.
Cheater! Image
Wow, this is amazing! Any chance we can get on your order, Jay? :laugh:

Re: New Kel Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 06 Jan 2011, 06:37
by panzermk2
DAUG wrote:
Rapier1772 wrote:
panzermk2 wrote:I have already placed my order through one of our suppliers.
Cheater! Image
Wow, this is amazing! Any chance we can get on your order, Jay? :laugh:
:evil:

Re: New Kel Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 06 Jan 2011, 10:10
by darksidemxer
i need one of these...i love shotguns and that is just plain cool lol

Re: New Kel Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 06 Jan 2011, 15:39
by buckett
That is awesome!! Usually shotguns aren't that exciting for me, but this is friggin cool!

Re: New Kel Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 06 Jan 2011, 17:10
by Buffman
Supposedly they wont be available until end of 2011? Some have commented that distributors are getting flooded with calls for these

Re: New Kel Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 10 Jan 2011, 01:23
by DAUG
I'm not surprised! I seriously want to get on a list as well. Maybe Tanner's will have a list goin soon.

Re: New Kel Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 10 Jan 2011, 03:41
by Llagoud
Found this here>
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: New Kel Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 10 Jan 2011, 17:51
by fooschnickens
Haha oh man put a modified choke on this thing and it will destroy multi gun matches.

Might have to sell off my 930 now...

Re: New Kel Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 11 Jan 2011, 17:49
by jgreenberg01
Found a video of KSG early testing...


Re: New Kel Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 11 Jan 2011, 17:52
by SeaHawkDriver-B
Nice find....gotta love that 3" Mag shell at the end, like a Mule kickin you in the armpit.

Would have been nice if they had demonstrated the capacity/tube mag switchover procedure more clearly. I assume there's a "switch" that has to move when shifting from L to R magazine. the most rounds I count fired consecutively is 7, which I'm guessing is max capacity for one side.

Re: New Kel Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 11 Jan 2011, 19:05
by Elephant Rider
Hehe, been waiting for a long time for something like this to come to the US. They've been around for a long time in S. Africa:

http://users.iafrica.com/n/nj/njj741t/index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: New Kel Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 18 Jan 2011, 17:15
by jgreenberg01
Disassembly video from SHOT Show, not great quality but it will do. The guy doing the demo can be heard saying that availability will be 3rd quarter of this year...

Part 1:

Part 2:

And here is one more (better quality) that shows switching tubes...


Re: New Kel Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 18 Jan 2011, 18:03
by panzermk2
Who is the dumb <profanity> retard who asked about mounting a side saddle on this shotgun? Really a side saddle on a 14+1 bull pup shotgun?

Friggin tactifag.

Re: New Kel Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 18 Jan 2011, 19:17
by Rapier1772
panzermk2 wrote:Who is the dumb <profanity> retard who asked about mounting a side saddle on this shotgun? Really a side saddle on a 14+1 bull pup shotgun?
Friggin tactifag.
Double click on the vid to open in youtube & it says it was posted by "Gunwebsites".
But I passed along your comment in the other comments :laugh:
I edited it to be a little more diplomatic though. They don't know me that well :D

Re: New Kel Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 18 Jan 2011, 21:06
by Rapier1772
Got a reply to the comment I left on that vid. (All I did was copy paste Jay's comment but cut out the "dumb <profanity>")
Say that to my face .. tough guy

Re: New Kel Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 18 Jan 2011, 22:18
by panzermk2
Well I just had to add to it.

Re: New Kel Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 18 Jan 2011, 22:48
by PainKillaX
panzermk2 wrote:Well I just had to add to it.
:lmao: :lmao: :thumb:

Re: New Kal Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 18 Jan 2011, 23:01
by X-ring
fzr confused wrote:
satellitedr3ams wrote:this is one kel tec i wouldn't want to risk blowing up in my face.
the sad thing for ME is the only gun i have EVER had "blow up" in my face was my FsN at 154 rounds of 195's through it...i have 3 kel tecs, a p11, p3at and a .40 sub2000 and i have several thousand rounds through them (95% through the sub2000) and i have yet to even have a jam with them... :ponder:...i have no problem at all trusting kel tecs :cya:
http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB. ... 1293986702" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This is actually #2.

Re: New Kel Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 19 Jan 2011, 00:30
by blueorison
I WAS trying to get the word "tactifag" extinct here on the forum. THANKS JAY.

:D

Re: New Kel Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 19 Jan 2011, 02:02
by panzermk2
Sometimes it is appropriate.

Re: New Kel Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 19 Jan 2011, 15:20
by fzr confused
X-ring wrote:
fzr confused wrote:
satellitedr3ams wrote:this is one kel tec i wouldn't want to risk blowing up in my face.
the sad thing for ME is the only gun i have EVER had "blow up" in my face was my FsN at 154 rounds of 195's through it...i have 3 kel tecs, a p11, p3at and a .40 sub2000 and i have several thousand rounds through them (95% through the sub2000) and i have yet to even have a jam with them... :ponder:...i have no problem at all trusting kel tecs :cya:
http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB. ... 1293986702" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This is actually #2.
I didn't read the entire thread since I'm on my phone, but that looks very similar to what happened to my FsN. I know I'm not the only person this has happened to either and I know I'm not even the first person on this site for it to happen to....every gun maker has a few flaws, it can happen to any of them. I still have confidence in my kel-tecs.

Re: New Kel Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 19 Jan 2011, 23:16
by f3rr37
fzr confused wrote:
X-ring wrote:
fzr confused wrote:
satellitedr3ams wrote:this is one kel tec i wouldn't want to risk blowing up in my face.
the sad thing for ME is the only gun i have EVER had "blow up" in my face was my FsN at 154 rounds of 195's through it...i have 3 kel tecs, a p11, p3at and a .40 sub2000 and i have several thousand rounds through them (95% through the sub2000) and i have yet to even have a jam with them... :ponder:...i have no problem at all trusting kel tecs :cya:
http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB. ... 1293986702" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This is actually #2.
I didn't read the entire thread since I'm on my phone, but that looks very similar to what happened to my FsN. I know I'm not the only person this has happened to either and I know I'm not even the first person on this site for it to happen to....every gun maker has a few flaws, it can happen to any of them. I still have confidence in my kel-tecs.
Wasn't yours just a failure with the extractor though? Or am I confusing you with someone else? I know of 3 actual kabooms with the Five-seveN.

Re: New Kel Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 20 Jan 2011, 04:05
by fzr confused
Mine was a case neck separation. I'm not trying to say the FsN is junk or the kel-tecs are high quality, just that any gun can have problems.

Re: New Kel Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 21 Jan 2011, 12:22
by Llagoud
Found this here> http://gunnuts.net/2011/01/20/kel-tec-k ... gun-video/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If you pull the trigger, and then run the slide while still holding the trigger to the rear like you would on a Remington 870 or a Mossberg, the trigger will simply go dead. We actually tried this on several models and it was the same on each demo gun. Here’s video of me demonstrating what happens........


......
To bring the gun back online after this malfunction, you’d have to run the action again, which would eject a perfectly good round in an action combat situation. Imagine that in a home defense situation – you shoot one shot, run the action on your gun, and nothing happens.

Re: New Kel Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 21 Jan 2011, 12:30
by blueorison
uh yeah.

That's really bad.

Because that's exactly how I shoot a shotgun rapidly.

Re: New Kel Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 21 Jan 2011, 12:37
by PainKillaX
I've never tried it with my Mossy...Is it significantly faster? Is it bad for the gun?

Re: New Kel Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 21 Jan 2011, 12:48
by blueorison
PainKillaX wrote:I've never tried it with my Mossy...Is it significantly faster? Is it bad for the gun?
No and No.

Re: New Kel Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 21 Jan 2011, 16:44
by Llagoud
when asked about this, Kel-Tec reps have said that the “LEO Models” (which are presently vaporware) will slamfire and the “civilian” models are the ones at the show. So, yes you read that correctly: Kel-Tec is saying that a slamfiring shotgun is a “feature” that will be marketed to LEOs. Meanwhile, the “civilian” version will apparently retain its functionally broken trigger.
http://gunnuts.net/2011/01/21/shot-show-shotgun-update/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: New Kel Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 21 Jan 2011, 16:50
by Rapier1772
Thanks Llagoud

Ok you smithies - can that be fixed easy enough? (Normally speaking - obviously no one has worked on these yet)

Re: New Kel Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 21 Jan 2011, 18:53
by MrSlippyFist
Yet another reason I will avoid Kel-Tec.

Re: New Kel Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 21 Jan 2011, 19:13
by panzermk2
How often do you need to slam fire? Heck get an old Winchester trench shotty for about 200 bucks if you want to do that.

Also a shotgun action isn't exactly rocket science. Should take you about 10 minutes to switch over to slam fire.

Re: New Kel Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 22 Jan 2011, 09:12
by Captan Harold D
I DIG

Re: New Kel Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 22 Jan 2011, 16:55
by Mister Freeze
I got a letter from Kel Tec today. MSRP is $880. Those that have alredy placed an order, what are you expecting to pay? If the BATFE comes thru, I'll be able to trade my S12 for 2 of these bad boys!

Re: New Kel Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 22 Jan 2011, 20:12
by SeaHawkDriver-B
Large gun-show in my area today, plenty of Saiga-12's left on the table at the end of the first day, sticker price was $475. Obviously the recent BATFE regs are almost unheard-of among the average gun-going public, i was shocked.

On the other hand, glocks were flying off the table. Largest display said he had sold everything except his GEN IV's.

I thought about picking up a Saiga, but decided against it when I saw how many were just sitting there, no one thinks they're going away.

$880 is a bit steep for a pump shotgun, its only novelty is two tube-mags instead of one... how about 550-650, seems more reasonable.

Re: New Kel Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 23 Jan 2011, 13:54
by fooschnickens
SeaHawkDriver-B wrote:Obviously the recent BATFE regs are almost unheard-of among the average gun-going public, i was shocked.
Well seeing as that announcement was made days ago at an industry-only event it's not surprising that there's not much out there about it.

Plus I think an official announcement regarding the matter is supposed to happen Monday.

Re: New Kel Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 24 Jan 2011, 13:06
by flyingirish04
Mister Freeze wrote:I got a letter from Kel Tec today. MSRP is $880. Those that have alredy placed an order, what are you expecting to pay? If the BATFE comes thru, I'll be able to trade my S12 for 2 of these bad boys!

Don't wish idiotic regulation on anyone please.

Re: New Kel Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 24 Jan 2011, 21:05
by Mister Freeze
flyingirish04 wrote:
Mister Freeze wrote:I got a letter from Kel Tec today. MSRP is $880. Those that have alredy placed an order, what are you expecting to pay? If the BATFE comes thru, I'll be able to trade my S12 for 2 of these bad boys!

Don't wish idiotic regulation on anyone please.

Not wishing ill to others, just luck to me.

Re: New Kel Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 04 Feb 2011, 19:54
by Mister Freeze
Http://www.tombstonetactical.com/catalo ... 4rd-black/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://onpointsupply.com/cart.php?targe ... ews_id=241" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Maybe one of our sponsors could offer a deal like that second one? (Hint, hint, wink, wink!)
:thumb:

Re: New Kel Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 04 Feb 2011, 21:00
by panzermk2
Thank God I have mine on order already.

Re: New Kel Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 25 Jul 2011, 17:16
by Rapier1772
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2011 ... n-updates/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Beware hoax sellers:
At this point, Kel-Tec has made several small runs of the shotgun, and those units have shipped to various people for testing and evaluation.

Additionally, Kel-Tec is advising that all KSG shotguns being offered for sale on GunBroker.com and other locations “…are hoaxes.” Kel-Tec stated that they have not shipped any shotguns that are available for resale, and that any of the people with T&E guns that try to sell them “…will be dealt with on their end.”

Kel-Tec stated they are “confident” they “…will be shipping in full quantities by year’s end as previously anticipated.”
Wish they'd hurry up :(

Re: New Kel Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 30 Jul 2011, 09:51
by SeaHawkDriver-B
I'd rather they work the bugs out then rush garbage into production. Sig has almost ruined its previously untarnishable reputation for doing things like that with their domestic "gotta have it" products.

If it turns out to be a successful product, I'll wait till the hype dies and buy two of them. Bullpups are fantastic weapons for SHTF due to their lower profile and concealability.

Re: New Kel Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 19 Sep 2011, 10:40
by Valorius
Llagoud wrote:Found this here> http://gunnuts.net/2011/01/20/kel-tec-k ... gun-video/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If you pull the trigger, and then run the slide while still holding the trigger to the rear like you would on a Remington 870 or a Mossberg, the trigger will simply go dead. We actually tried this on several models and it was the same on each demo gun. Here’s video of me demonstrating what happens........


......
To bring the gun back online after this malfunction, you’d have to run the action again, which would eject a perfectly good round in an action combat situation. Imagine that in a home defense situation – you shoot one shot, run the action on your gun, and nothing happens.
You can't just release the trigger to allow it to reset, then repull it? Most shotguns won't slam fire, and require the trigger to be released as i just described before firing.

I personally see no point to pump shotguns. Semis are soooo much faster.

And $800 for a Kel Tec shotgun? Sorry, if it doesn't say Benelli or HK on the side there is no way in hell i'm paying that kind of money for a riot gun.
SeaHawkDriver-B wrote:I'd rather they work the bugs out then rush garbage into production.
Like they did with the PMR-30.

Re: New Kel Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 19 Sep 2011, 16:02
by blueorison
That's actually very old news.

They have stated the problem fixed.

Re: New Kel Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 23 Sep 2011, 23:08
by Valorius
The problem is that it's not a semi-auto. ;)

Re: New Kel Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 26 Sep 2011, 12:04
by FastSTi
The problem is pushing the release date out...

Re: New Kel Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 26 Sep 2011, 18:07
by Rapier1772
FastSTi wrote:The problem is pushing the release date out...
Which problem? I don't regard the pump action as a problem. Nor do I consider the slam fire thing a problem. Each shot should be a deliberate squeeze of the trigger.

Re: New Kel Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 16 Jan 2012, 04:46
by Llagoud
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2012 ... nfa-model/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


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Re: New Kel Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 16 Jan 2012, 14:46
by toyslr
Their on the market! We'll just have to wait and see what kind of production numbers they hit

Re: New Kel Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 17 Jan 2012, 00:50
by SeaHawkDriver-B
Will the sub 18" versions be sold as SBS or AOW?

Re: New Kel Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 17 Jan 2012, 10:03
by toyslr
Not sure, haven't seen a list on them. With the number of basic shotguns hitting the market it'll be debatable if the others produced

Re: New Kel Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 17 Jan 2012, 10:44
by TheOtherDave
I do not like that bottom tactical model... it puts the back of my hand in front of the muzzle. (I'm not worried about shooting myself, but it seems like I'd have a pretty thick layer of GSR on me after a long day of fun.)

Re: New Kel Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 17 Jan 2012, 11:02
by blueorison
Just wash your hands.

I always have black hands by the time I'm done. GSR will get on you, regardless.

Re: New Kel Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 03 Sep 2012, 08:42
by Rapier1772
Just found this review of the KSG
http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/kel-tec ... ge-report/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Looks like KelTec did it right for the most part, just wish the price would come down a bit more :?: I know a few are opening at close to MSRP on gunbroker but the fanbois are still driving up the price :(

They also tested the Aguilla 1 3/4″ Minishells, which not only worked flawlessly, they also boosted the KSG's capacity to 24+1!

Re: New Kel Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 06 Sep 2012, 16:24
by fzr confused
hmmmm, having 25 rounds on hand is definitely swaying my vote as to what one of my next purchases might be ;). the pattern at 10 yards is really not that good though. my saiga 12 by my bed is loaded with 3" 00 buck, which the more i think about it, is not the best load. it will more than likely (if not definitely) over penetrate a BD (assuming it is on target) and still go through an interior wall.

tried a quick youtube search and did not find any videos of the minishells vs drywall. the "flyers" are probably not as bad as the over penetrating 3" 00...not saying you should not be concerned about the flyers by any means. i am strictly stating i should probably rethink my current loadings as well as future loadings.

Re: New Kel Tec KSG Bullpup Shotty

Posted: 07 Sep 2012, 22:12
by VeTTeMaNC486
I saw one of these forsale the other day at a gunshop. Wanted 1k for it. Fondled it like a boss. Was happy. I can't believe I have seen one of these forsale and I have never seen a pmr30 in person and only 2 RFBs... lol