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Re: slugs

Post by fzr confused » 25 Nov 2008, 06:04

sorry, by IIRC i meant if i recall correctly, i never hunt with a shotgun, so i really only pay attention to the rifle rules. i live just south of indian river, i live in gardens and in tequesta with my gf.

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Post by Grantness » 25 Nov 2008, 06:13

oh ok, cool. I was just interested bc I went to high school in Vero Beach.

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Post by fzr confused » 25 Nov 2008, 06:36

my gf was raised up near vero (ft pierce)....area is small so you may know each other....well, depending on age, she is 30 now. and i go to sebastian for the gun range.

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Post by Grantness » 25 Nov 2008, 07:07

you mean the one off SR 60 near I95? That place is awesome. I used to go there every weekend when I lived down there. Good 5 stand and sporting clays if you're into shotguns...

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Post by fzr confused » 25 Nov 2008, 08:15

yup, that's the one! I like that place besides them usually being asses when you want to use the 200 lanes. I guess they see some "younger" kids wanting to do stuff and they think we have no skill....who knows. but besides that, I like it a lot

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Post by SSBiggun » 25 Nov 2008, 14:18

fzr confused wrote:I just bought a saiga 12 the other day and was wondering what size slug I should use. I like 3" 00 for my reg shotgun for the extra pellets and I will use those in the saiga as well. but if I was to use a slug, would a 2 3/4" have more velocity/accuracy than a 3"? I would say maybe bc its a bit lighter so velocity maybe higher but idk if they use more powder for the 3"....what would you use?
I use the Fed tactical and Rem 1500 fps in my Saiga .I found that the reduced recoil slugs arent as reliable. I also have 50 rds of the original BRI sabots but they are too long to use in the MDA drum although the work fine in the AGP 10 rd mags and the factory 5's . I've also had VERY good results with the Wolf slugs and buckshot.

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Re: slugs

Post by stg2ahn » 25 Nov 2008, 14:43

reduced recoil loads + semi auto shotguns= No bueno.

Pump guns don't matter.

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Re: slugs

Post by Rattler » 25 Nov 2008, 15:00

"the problem i have read about the reduced recoil rounds is it may not cycle as good...but i am sure that it is only a problem with like birdshot and stuff like that, and not buck or slugs...anyone know?"


I dont have a Saiga to play with but I would think that if there is enough energy to propel the weight of a slug down the barrel then there should be enough to cycle it just fine. Before I bet my life on it I would test it out though.

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Post by 556Stealth » 28 Mar 2009, 11:47

I would recommend you try Winchester Power Point slugs as well as Remington "Sluggers". These are cheap and readily available. They are also slightly "different" diameters. Don't freak, it is just a few thousandths, my point is, some shotguns have a tighter bore than others depending on the company and they will have a preference for either the Remington or the Winchester.

My S90M4 would group 3" Remington 1oz Sluggers so tight at 50 yards that I was literally cutting the target in half when I was sighting in walking to the bulls-eye. I would not feel like I were exaggerating if I claimed it was capable of 1.5-2" CTC groups at 50 yards.

All this said, but the 2.75" slugs. The 3" slugs give you 50-100fps more and kick the crap out of you in comparison. NOT! worth it AT ALL! The only reason I was using 3" that day is it was deer season and all the 2.75" was gone. I will say though, EVERYONE on the line was in awe of the evil-looking M4 that I had the balls to shoot seated off sand-bags that launched fire and kicked like hell. The rangemaster even walked over and asked what kind of weapon it was.

ETA: On low-recoil loads, my M4 would fire Win-Lite buckshot just fine. It barely kicked at all. A LOT tamer than 1-1/4oz birdshot at 1200fps. I was shocked that it cycled and surely wouldn't use it for SHTF, but still. The shells barely made it to my feet and I had to hold it tight if I didn't want an FTE.

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Post by 556Stealth » 28 Mar 2009, 11:49

Wollychop wrote:I like the hornady SSTs

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In a smooth-bore this would be a no-no. This is a sabot type slug and must be spin-stabalized.

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Post by 556Stealth » 28 Mar 2009, 11:55

stg2ahn wrote:Many slugs are "rifled" to promote spin once it leaves the barrel. Some even have a fin attached to promote a consistent flight.

Utimately though, you can't can't beat a rifled slug with sabots (accuracywise).
Mossberg makes the best rifled slug guns IMHO.

I must also say that slugs aren't as powerful as you might think. The ft lbs of energy is generally on par with a .308 centerfire round at the muzzle, but loses a lot of "steam." So if your shooting 50 to 100+ yards your probably better off with a centerfire rifle.
Most slugs use soft lead, but the Brenneke K.O. are pretty rock solid. :ponder:
This is a common mis-conception. The "fins" on a slug do not cause near enough rotation to stabalize the slug in flight. Rather, the slug is weighted like a "shuttlecock" and this keeps it nose-foreward.

So why have fins?

Okay, the fins are there for Farmer John who huts geese as well as deer with his old fixed-choke 870 with a Full Choke. Also, those "fins" are not really fins. They are valleys. Look at it in reverse. The lead flows into those valleys when the slug hits that tight choke. Slugs are VERY soft and so this occurs well before Farmer John's choke/barrel explodes and looks like a metal sun-flower. The Valleys just profide relief spaces for the lead to flow into in the event a full-choke is encountered. Any rotation caused is secondary and not necessary.

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