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Post by fzr confused » 24 Nov 2008, 12:17

I just bought a saiga 12 the other day and was wondering what size slug I should use. I like 3" 00 for my reg shotgun for the extra pellets and I will use those in the saiga as well. but if I was to use a slug, would a 2 3/4" have more velocity/accuracy than a 3"? I would say maybe bc its a bit lighter so velocity maybe higher but idk if they use more powder for the 3"....what would you use?

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Post by Cyberfly » 24 Nov 2008, 12:21

When it comes to shotguns and slugs, I'm from the old school where the bigger the better.
But thats just me.
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Post by Wollychop » 24 Nov 2008, 12:23

I like the hornady SSTs

http://www.hornady.com/shop/?page=shop/ ... 5d6bc0ec9e" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: slugs

Post by stg2ahn » 24 Nov 2008, 12:23

too many different types of ammo.
What specific load are you looking for?
genereally a 1oz. slug is about 438 grains of lead. Some 3in. slugs are slower than 2 3/4 in. slugs.
Some of winchesters new slugs are spitzer shaped and are lighter in grainage, to provide some really awesome velocity and ballistics.
http://winchester.com/products/catalog/ ... =16&use=24" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I personally shoot what is commonly out there. Brennek slugs, wolf slugs, and federal 1oz. slugs.
Since the saiga is a smoothbore with no chokes on it, I would just stick with what is cost effective and readily available.
my .02.

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Post by fzr confused » 24 Nov 2008, 12:26

I will more than likely only keep 3" 00 in it, but would like to shoot slugs at the range. I'll prob just get whatever is cheap.

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Post by stg2ahn » 24 Nov 2008, 12:31

http://www.ableammo.com/catalog/product ... s_id=91133" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

here's a 600+ grain slug by brenneke. 1 3/8 oz. slug.

Gauge :12 GA
Type :Lead
Length :3 in.
Ounces :1 3/8 oz
Shot Size :Slug
Muzzle Velocity :1500 fps
Muzzle Energy: 3014 ft/lb

a .73 caliber slug flying 1500fps with 600 grains behind it, wow. :thumb:

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Post by fzr confused » 24 Nov 2008, 12:43

that looks like it will add up to an insane amount of fun!!!!! well for the person pulling the trigger at least! lol

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Post by Rattler » 24 Nov 2008, 16:33

If you have a Sabot gun (Rifled barrel) I would recommend the Platinum tip Winchester 400 grain Sabot. They are plenty accurate and the slug used is just a big "Black Talon". It'll do the job. If you have a smoothbore then I would recommend the federal reduced recoil slugs. With a Saiga's semi atuo action and the reduced recoil (which only sacrifices a couple hundred FPS) follow up shots should be failry quick and easy.

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Post by stg2ahn » 24 Nov 2008, 16:43

I like sellior & bellot (s&b)
there ammo is a usually cheap and..
the 12ga 2 3/4 buck shot hold 12-00 buck
the 12ga 3in. buck shot holds 15-00 buck.

Most standard 00buck loads only hold 9 pellets.

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Post by Grantness » 24 Nov 2008, 17:22

I like these: http://www.remington.com/pdfs/08cat/2008_ammo.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; *The accutips at the top*

Get the 3". The 2 3/4" and the 3" are 385 grains...the 3" just goes a little bit faster.

I also have an extended rifled choke tube designed for sabot rounds. You might want to check those out. They arent cheap, but its cheaper than getting a rifled barrel.

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Post by fzr confused » 24 Nov 2008, 18:02

Rattler wrote:If you have a Sabot gun (Rifled barrel) I would recommend the Platinum tip Winchester 400 grain Sabot. They are plenty accurate and the slug used is just a big "Black Talon". It'll do the job. If you have a smoothbore then I would recommend the federal reduced recoil slugs. With a Saiga's semi atuo action and the reduced recoil (which only sacrifices a couple hundred FPS) follow up shots should be failry quick and easy.
the problem i have read about the reduced recoil rounds is it may not cycle as good...but i am sure that it is only a problem with like birdshot and stuff like that, and not buck or slugs...anyone know?

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Post by fzr confused » 24 Nov 2008, 18:06

so with a smooth bore i can not shoot the sabot rounds? i dont know much about slugs as i only shoot buckshot with my current 12g...so, for a smooth bored shotgun, i want a rifled slug???? am i reading that remington thing right?

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Post by Grantness » 24 Nov 2008, 18:40

you can shoot the sabots just fine with a smooth bore, the rifled sabot chokes/barrels just make them more accurate, and if they are extended chokes, prob a wee bit faster.

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Post by stg2ahn » 24 Nov 2008, 18:45

Many slugs are "rifled" to promote spin once it leaves the barrel. Some even have a fin attached to promote a consistent flight.

Utimately though, you can't can't beat a rifled slug with sabots (accuracywise).
Mossberg makes the best rifled slug guns IMHO.

I must also say that slugs aren't as powerful as you might think. The ft lbs of energy is generally on par with a .308 centerfire round at the muzzle, but loses a lot of "steam." So if your shooting 50 to 100+ yards your probably better off with a centerfire rifle.
Most slugs use soft lead, but the Brenneke K.O. are pretty rock solid. :ponder:

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Re: slugs

Post by fzr confused » 24 Nov 2008, 19:04

i got a G3 in .308 :) this is another shotgun for home defense. i have a mossberg 500 right now with a surefire, but there is just something about a semi auto "high" cap shotgun :clap: ...that accutip up there states it has kill power to 200 yards??? ive never heard of a shotgun reaching out that far with deer kill potential lol. i might take the saiga deer hunting, but more than likely it is just a HD and range gun. that or the gun you hand to the person that doesnt know what it is and they think it only has the kick of an ak ;)

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Re: slugs

Post by stg2ahn » 24 Nov 2008, 19:08

the grainage is lighter on the accutip, it relies on the rifling of the shotgun, it is a spitzer shape (aerodynamic), and the diameter of also less than the standard 12ga because of the sabot.
All those factors seem to really push the envelope.

Reminds me of the 30-30 LeveRevolution rounds by hornady.
Even the modern muzzleloaders have reached up to that range nowadays.

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Re: slugs

Post by Grantness » 24 Nov 2008, 19:19

in many states there are limits to the capacity of your shotgun when u are out hunting. Typically 3 rounds (thats why some shotguns have plugs).

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Post by fzr confused » 24 Nov 2008, 20:32

it is 5rds here in florida IIRC and i have a 5rd mag for it. i also have the plug for my 500.

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Re: slugs

Post by Grantness » 24 Nov 2008, 20:56

you live in indian river? where?

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Post by fzr confused » 25 Nov 2008, 06:04

sorry, by IIRC i meant if i recall correctly, i never hunt with a shotgun, so i really only pay attention to the rifle rules. i live just south of indian river, i live in gardens and in tequesta with my gf.

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