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Very interesting. I have shot my uncles KSG, not bad. But it just doesn't feel reliable and I'm with Jgreenburg, I dont know if I trust KT.

Have to see if my shop is getting in any of the alternatives.

Crap! I wish I had not watched the video. The UTAS UTS-15 gives me a woody. Now I am going to have to learn how to reload shotgun shells.

fd57 wrote:Common knowledge that pump action shotguns feed more reliably than semi-auto shotguns. No need to piss against the wind on this fact.

Ruger 41 magnum is a carry instrument of choice

How does it feed more reliably? They both pop a shell into the carrier, they both ride a shell up the lift gate, they both close the bolt on a shell riding on a lift gate. One just does it automatically while the other requires the shooter to rack it. Is there something I'm missing in the feeding process between the two of them?

Speed, mostly, and the Saiga, at least, has no lift gate.

flyingirish04 wrote:Very interesting. I have shot my uncles KSG, not bad. But it just doesn't feel reliable and I'm with Jgreenburg, I dont know if I trust KT.

Have to see if my shop is getting in any of the alternatives.

What kind of feed issues did it have?

Mister Freeze wrote:
There's a roto-mag thing out there for standard pumps.

The X-RAIL -- It also works on semi-autos:

Here is a direct comparison of the UTS-15 vs KSG: the guy needs to learn how to shoulder a weapon though...so take what you can and leave the rest.

I will say, it makes me nervous how the feed chambers are exposed to the elements, simply opens the weapon's action to dirt and grime.



After seeing the following video, I believe in the KSG platforms reliability/durability and function under duress.

Buffman wrote:

flyingirish04 wrote:Very interesting. I have shot my uncles KSG, not bad. But it just doesn't feel reliable and I'm with Jgreenburg, I dont know if I trust KT.

Have to see if my shop is getting in any of the alternatives.

What kind of feed issues did it have?

Very rough loading and cycling pump. Hate the switch mag switch. My Aunt would sometimes not rack fully so the spent shell wouldn't get ejected and new she'll wouldn't feed.

I rack my pumps pretty assertively, given the crappy Mossbergs we had in the Navy and not as crappy but equally cheap 870 shorties, so I didn't have trouble other than I noticed the stiffness of the whole process.

Put it this way, I was going to buy one but after shooting I decided to wait for them to work out bugs on next version or go another route.

So fare as long as I feed it 3 inch shells my AR12 MK1919 has really kicked ass. Totally reliable and man can you empty it fast.

I just dropped by one of the local fun shops, guess what they had? KSG!
It wasn't for sale but they let you fondle it.
I racked it a few times, played with the tube switch thing & did a cursory lookey lookey.

I like it.
Ergonomics we're good, nice fit (for me).
It wasn't as difficult to rack the the gun as these vids & reviews had me thinking.
Manipulating the tube selector switch wasn't quite as easy as I originally thought but also not difficult; a little practice should make a difference.
I do think they could do better with the round count slots.
As for the ejected rounds hitting the arm - I didn't get to load/eject any rounds but from what I saw, using a slight chicken wing position would move my arm far enough out of the way so that it wouldn't be an issue. I looked to see if my earlier idea about dealing with spent shells would work - I still think it would but it may also interfere with loading so chicken wing is a better solution until such time as I have one to test/experiment with.
The position for the slide release was perfect IMHO.
I wasn't too fond of the vertical foregrip they did had on it but that may have just been where they had it. Maybe I could switch my AR's AFG out for a grip-pod & put the AFG on the KSG? But that would be hard to put a light on... :ponder:


That's about all I can say without actually firing one Now to see if anyone around here has the UTS... :ponder:

I finally saw an UTAS & got to check it out.
Pros & cons to both KSG & UTAS but overall, I prefer the KSG.

Bear in mind that I haven't gotten to actually shoot either of them yet, just some in store fondling.