Holy EFF!!! ACR!!?!?!?!!!!

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Holy EFF!!! ACR!!?!?!?!!!!

Post by ynoty3k » 17 Jan 2010, 22:53

http://www.bushmaster.com/acr/
http://www.bushmaster.com/acr/
http://www.bushmaster.com/acr/
http://www.bushmaster.com/acr/

There's a count down on the Bushmaster ACR... Hoping for a release.... This might eff up all my procurement plans royally....

Totally worth it though....



Any FFL's on here got a good bushmaster distributor with a line on pricing and availability???

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Post by romer522 » 18 Jan 2010, 00:04

One of the rare times I am going to agree with the tools on barfcom but at 8.3 pounds, a 1/9 barrel and over 2k, I'm not going to touch it with a 50 foot pole.


The only way they would be able to stick with SCAR level pricing is if they released the entire package, barrels, stocks, multi calibers etc.

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Post by ChuckD » 18 Jan 2010, 01:40

http://dynamicarmament.com/items/ar-15~ ... detail.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Could be a trap though.

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Post by jmz5 » 18 Jan 2010, 05:30

romer522 wrote:One of the rare times I am going to agree with the tools on barfcom but at 8.3 pounds, a 1/9 barrel and over 2k, I'm not going to touch it with a 50 foot pole.


The only way they would be able to stick with SCAR level pricing is if they released the entire package, barrels, stocks, multi calibers etc.
+1 Over priced, over hyped.
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Post by stg2ahn » 18 Jan 2010, 08:58

I don't believe the rifle exists, even with their new release date of march,2010.

So many other better options out there than the ACR...
IMHO.. :)

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Post by ynoty3k » 18 Jan 2010, 09:30

romer522 wrote:......The only way they would be able to stick with SCAR level pricing is if they released the entire package, barrels, stocks, multi calibers etc.
Well, I guess we'll find out in about 11 Hrs 30 Minutes.... :D

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Post by ChuckD » 18 Jan 2010, 10:15

I think it will be overpriced.
Highly overpriced. That being said, I still like my AR.

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Post by f3rr37 » 18 Jan 2010, 10:24

:laugh: Change the clock on your computer so that it is past the launch time. :laugh: The launch time is based on your computer's time.

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Post by ynoty3k » 18 Jan 2010, 11:02

All it say's is ACR Launch. They have not put that site up yet it would appear.

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Post by f3rr37 » 18 Jan 2010, 12:21

ynoty3k wrote:All it say's is ACR Launch. They have not put that site up yet it would appear.
Yep, but it is funny that they just use the client's system clock and not their own, or just base it off of GMT and account for time zones.

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Post by ynoty3k » 18 Jan 2010, 12:55

Yea, I was wondering about that. You're in Oregon right? what time GMT is it set to go off? Mines 5am GMT, or 12- Midnight EST.

Edit: they also keep adding a new picture or angle every so often. A full weapon image is up now, but it would appear out of focus, on purpose...

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Post by f3rr37 » 18 Jan 2010, 13:50

ynoty3k wrote:Yea, I was wondering about that. You're in Oregon right? what time GMT is it set to go off? Mines 5am GMT, or 12- Midnight EST.

Edit: they also keep adding a new picture or angle every so often. A full weapon image is up now, but it would appear out of focus, on purpose...
GMT at the time of this post is 2150hrs, so it is an 8 hour difference. Who really knows that the real time is that it will go off though... since it is different for everybody. But it the launch will be at midnight... depending on what time zone you're in.

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Post by ynoty3k » 18 Jan 2010, 14:09

haha No, I know what time it was in GMT when you made that post, but what I was interested in was what time was Bushmaster's ACR release site saying it would be released, Midnight PST, EST, GMT? cause mine is set for Midnight EST. Which is 5am GMT, 9pm PST.

Just curious.

I don't have cash like that right now, so I'm going back and forth between a FNP 45 Tactical and a Ruger 10/22 Target Tactical... Well, between which to get first :D

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Post by f3rr37 » 18 Jan 2010, 14:16

ynoty3k wrote:haha No, I know what time it was in GMT when you made that post, but what I was interested in was what time was Bushmaster's ACR release site saying it would be released, Midnight PST, EST, GMT? cause mine is set for Midnight EST. Which is 5am GMT, 9pm PST.
And mine is set for Midnight PST... :laugh:

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Post by ynoty3k » 18 Jan 2010, 14:29

well hey now, How come the Brits get their ACR's first?!?!?!

At least I know I'll get it before you do, :p :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Even if you don't want one, haha.

Yea... So I understand what a twist rate is, but not BC and how twist rate affects it.

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Post by f3rr37 » 18 Jan 2010, 15:21

The following was taken from: http://www.exteriorballistics.com/ebexp ... 4th/46.cfm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
To support this observation further, look at Figure 4.6-3 which shows the variation of measured ballistic coefficient of the .30 caliber 190 grain Hollow Point Boat Tail MatchKing bullet as a function of twist rate in the test barrel. Six barrels were used in this test, with twist rates varying from one turn in 14 inches to one turn in 8 inches. Fifteen rounds were fired through each barrel at velocities near 2350 fps. The ballistic coefficient for each round fired is plotted in the figure. The figure also lists the average value of ballistic coefficient for the 15 rounds, together with the standard deviation and extreme spread, for each of the six twist rates used. Note that one barrel chambered a .300 Winchester Magnum cartridge, while the other five barrels chambered the .308 Winchester cartridge.

We know from common knowledge that if the twist rate of a barrel is too slow, long and heavy bullets will not be well stabilized. They do not tumble in flight, but the holes in paper targets are elliptical rather than round, indicating that the bullets are coning. Figure 4.6-3 shows what happens to the measured ballistic coefficient in such cases. For the faster twist rates, out through one turn in 11 inches in the case of the 190 grain HPBT MatchKing bullet in this test, the average values of the ballistic coefficients differ very little, and the statistical spreads are tight. When a twist rate of one turn in 12 inches was reached, the average value of measured ballistic coefficient dropped by more than 2 percent, and the spread of the measurements increased substantially. At a twist rate of one turn in 14 inches, the average ballistic coefficient decreased by more than 30 percent, and the spread increased dramatically. We emphasize that none of the test bullets tumbled in flight; all were gyroscopically stabilized, though marginally for the slowest twist rate.

This test dramatically illustrates the effect of coning motion on measured ballistic coefficient. Figure 4.6-4 shows the same test conducted on the .22 caliber 69 grain Hollow Point Boat Tail MatchKing bullet, with the same obvious results. The conclusion is inescapable that coning motion reduces the average measured ballistic coefficient and increases the statistical spread of the measured values.

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Post by romer522 » 18 Jan 2010, 16:02

ynoty3k wrote:well hey now, How come the Brits get their ACR's first?!?!?!

At least I know I'll get it before you do, :p :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Even if you don't want one, haha.

Yea... So I understand what a twist rate is, but not BC and how twist rate affects it.

It pretty much means is a tossup as to whether a 75-77gr will stabilize properly in the ACR, and its not even chrome lined from what I have heard.

A gun is only as good as its barrel, at least with spending $2500 on a SCAR you know your getting one hell of a barrel, with the ACR, not so much.

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Post by ChuckD » 18 Jan 2010, 16:41

I think I read somewhere the barrel is 1/9.
& I think 1/9 can only stabilize 69gr or less.

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Post by ynoty3k » 18 Jan 2010, 17:37

... well I guess we'll all find out in a little while.

Thanks for the info on the twist rate, and if the barrel isn't chrome lined, and they have such shitty engineering... well I guess its just not the hot shit I had hoped for since the days of it being the Masada...

Shoulda known Bushmaster would kill a great design and ride off the name of the Masada...

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Post by bobapunk » 18 Jan 2010, 17:38

f3rr37 wrote::laugh: Change the clock on your computer so that it is past the launch time. :laugh: The launch time is based on your computer's time.
All you have to do is right click on the timer and select "forward"....
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