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PTR-91

Post by AN_OLD_LADY » 06 Dec 2009, 22:38

I had a CAI CETME sitting on the counter ready to buy, when a voice inside my head said, "there is plenty of time, go home and research.." Well, I'm glad I did because I've read countless horror stories... That's the background to my question.

I decided that I want a detachable box magazine fed, semi-automatic 7.62 NATO (.308 win) rifle. I've always admired the G3 platform and found the above CETME at a local gun shop for $629, (they even had a crappy FAL clone too). Anyway, after my digging on the interwebs, I discovered the PTR-91. Does anyone here own one? What do you think of it? Pros/Cons of the .308 cartridge? Ect. Ect.

From my weeks worth of researching, I'm pretty sure I'm going to purchase one in the beginning of next year. Unless somebody here changes my mind... and please, try.

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Re: PTR-91

Post by MrSlippyFist » 07 Dec 2009, 08:16

308 is a good round. Happy medium between 5.56 and 30.06. You can have a precision rifle good out to 1000 meters, and that same rifle can double as a CQB weapon with the right stock (like a Sage EBR on an M1A)
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Re: PTR-91

Post by ChuckD » 07 Dec 2009, 09:32

I had a Springfield SAR-8 (G3 clone). I enjoyed it, but I originally wanted an AR when I purchased it.
Never had any problems with mine. They're good weapons. PTR makes a quality weapon from my understandings. If you plan on reloading your brass, I will suggest a port buffer so you're actually able to do so.
I've since moved on and got into the AR world. Part of me wishes I still had it, but part of me knows I can barely afford 5.56, much less 7.62x51.

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Re: PTR-91

Post by kamo » 07 Dec 2009, 15:43

every PTR91 I've handled has been pretty solid. Since they are built on hk machinery and to specs you can pretty much put hk91, msg90, and even PSG-1 parts if your wallet is deep enough. Don't expect sub moa but the PTR91 is on my shortlist of things next on my list, permission from the wife pending.

CDNN has the best prices ive seen.

as far as trigger work, this seems to be the best http://www.williamstriggers.com/page5.html#WTSG1set" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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http://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/home.asp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: PTR-91

Post by Vortec MAX » 07 Dec 2009, 18:53

My dad has a decked out PTR-91 that he is looking to sell. He has all the best parts on it (including the port buffer). He spent several years putting it together from the best of the best. Now he says he has too many guns and wants to sell that one.

He showed me an article in Shotgun News or something similar that talked about the PTR-91. In the article, they claim the H&K technicians admit the PTR-91 is a better weapon than the H&K ever was. The article is current, so you should look for it.

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Re: PTR-91

Post by blueorison » 07 Dec 2009, 21:46

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Stop relying on others to do the work for you.
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Re: PTR-91

Post by kamo » 08 Dec 2009, 09:00

Vortec MAX wrote:My dad has a decked out PTR-91 that he is looking to sell. He has all the best parts on it (including the port buffer). He spent several years putting it together from the best of the best. Now he says he has too many guns and wants to sell that one.

He showed me an article in Shotgun News or something similar that talked about the PTR-91. In the article, they claim the H&K technicians admit the PTR-91 is a better weapon than the H&K ever was. The article is current, so you should look for it.

Mike
I've heard that too. For the price of a HK91 you can get a PTR91 and some goodies.

I've heard that these like guns really beat up brass so reloading isn't the best.

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Re: PTR-91

Post by Vortec MAX » 08 Dec 2009, 09:06

kamo wrote: I've heard that these like guns really beat up brass so reloading isn't the best.
The port buffer prevents damage to the brass. My dad's PTR-91 has one installed on it.

I would have to work with my dad to get some pics. He is serious about selling it.

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Re: PTR-91

Post by Sniperjoe » 08 Dec 2009, 11:07

wow, u beat me to it lol, i was about to post a topic about the PTR as well, after doing alot of reserch im pritty sure that this is what im going to get myself for xmas this year, ive seen em for like 1,000 dollars, you guys ever seen em for lower??

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Post by kamo » 08 Dec 2009, 19:28

http://www.cdnninvestments.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

is the cheapest I've seen on a consistent basis.

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edit: here is the page out of cdnn's page.

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Re: PTR-91

Post by Vortec MAX » 09 Dec 2009, 06:44

I doubt my dad would sell his for that. Of course his has been sent in to get an upgraded barrel and trigger job, has upgraded furniture, sights, and much more. I will have to get the details from him.

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Re: PTR-91

Post by Sniperjoe » 09 Dec 2009, 18:30

Ive pritty much made up my mind that il be getting this rifle, so max whenever you get the price, let me know

A cool project for the future would be converting it into a PSG-1, is that possible?

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Re: PTR-91

Post by SSBiggun » 09 Dec 2009, 18:43

A better option for the $ would be to get the PRS stock and set it up as an MSG-90 clone. The PTR 91's are an excellent rifle for the cost and I shot a buddy's that would group @1.5" at 100 yds with GMM 168's. I currently own a CAI CETME and would NOT recommend it to anyone else. They are the bottom of the bucket. Warped and mis-shapen magwell, ground bolt, epoxy paint splatter into the receiver caused slow bolt cycling. With the CETME the safety goes the wrong way i.e. up to fire.
I spent a lot of time getting it to work for not much improvement .

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Re: PTR-91

Post by Vortec MAX » 09 Dec 2009, 22:12

I talked to my dad a bit tonight and got some info on his PTR. His is still new (never fired), but heavily modified. He says he has over 2500 into it, so I think he is going to want close to that out of it. Bare naked new PTRs are around 1000 bucks, but won't have all the goodies he has. He is making me a list of stuff he has on it, but I can remember a few of the things he talked about.

He talked about a Williams trigger job, heavy barrel, German HK Furniture, HK 1200 meter sights, two-stage heavy buffer, HK scope mount, and laser cut ventilated HK handguards with HK bipod. I can't remember all the stuff, so I will have to wait for his list.

He is also wanting to sell a bunch of magazines and 2,300 rounds of ammo made by various manufacturers.

I will keep you updated and hopefully get some pics.

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Re: PTR-91

Post by Vortec MAX » 10 Dec 2009, 07:56

OK, my dad e-mailed me the specs on his PTR-91. They are as follows:

Rifle: PTR91 (New) $1,000
Scope Mount. Used German Schubrichtung $165
Williams Trigger Job W/3 U.S. Parts Below $100
PTR New U.S. Parts: Trigger, Sear, Hammer $79
HK 91 New Carry Handle & Port Buffer $80
HK 91 Like New Two Stage Heavy Buffer $175
HK 21 New German Heavy Rubber Butt Pad $75
HK 21 New Rear 1200 Meter Sight $225
PTR New U.S. Made A2 Rear Stock $50
HK 91 Like New Wide Front Hand Guard $75
Laser Cut Ventilated Job On Hand Guard $65
HK 91 Used Light Steel Bipod $75
Hk 91 New Cleaning Kit $12
Hk 91 Used Leather Sling $10
HK 91 New 5: 20 Round Steel Magazines $100
HK 91 New 10: 20 Round Alloy Magazines $100
HK 91 Used Near New 11: 20 Round Magazines $55

Total of $2441 invested (at prices from years gone by).

He says the PTR is two parts in the clear on parts count (using German magazines). He would like to get $2400 for it. If anyone is interested, let me know. I am still going to try and take pictures of it to post here.

He also detailed his ammo. He has:

800 Rnds FNM Portuguese
540 Rnds BF head stamp (not sure what this is)
20 Rnds South African
360 Rnds Israeli IMI (TZ headstamp)
540 Rnds RG (United Kingdom)
310 Rnds WRA (American)
2570 ........... Total

He might make someone a sweet deal if the ammo and rifle were purchased as a package. He won't sell the ammo unless the sells the rifle.

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Re: PTR-91

Post by kamo » 10 Dec 2009, 19:14

Sniperjoe wrote: A cool project for the future would be converting it into a PSG-1, is that possible?
yes you can but it's expensive. look into either Murray Urbach or Jayson @ IGF.

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Re: PTR-91

Post by Sniperjoe » 10 Dec 2009, 19:28

kamo wrote:
Sniperjoe wrote: A cool project for the future would be converting it into a PSG-1, is that possible?
yes you can but it's expensive. look into either Murray Urbach or Jayson @ IGF.
yea, i realize that, for just the compleat trigger grouping its $800, you can practicly get another PTR for that money, the barrels like $500, its alot of money for sure lol

if i got the rifle and decided to do a conversion it would be done VERY slowly :laugh:

thats what i like about conversions, you can save up, buy certain parts and than save some more to buy more parts lol

heres another question ive ben trying to figure out, what exactly is the difference between a G3 and a PSG-1??? like i understand that the trigger, stock, etc. is different, but is their anything thats different about it in its reciver or anything major like that???

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Post by kamo » 10 Dec 2009, 19:52

http://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/viewCate ... ategory=10" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.hkspecialiststore.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

has parts.

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Re: PTR-91

Post by kamo » 10 Dec 2009, 19:59

Sniperjoe wrote:
kamo wrote:
Sniperjoe wrote: heres another question ive ben trying to figure out, what exactly is the difference between a G3 and a PSG-1??? like i understand that the trigger, stock, etc. is different, but is their anything thats different about it in its reciver or anything major like that???
I think there are some internal differences. On the links i just provided those parts are $$$$$$.

The PSG-1 has always been the rifle I want if I could only have one. And like you said the best thing is being able to buy the parts over time. THe last time I priced everything out minus labor for some of the work was around $5000-$6000. Of course prices vary and sometimes you find some for lower. I hear the best barrel out there is an urbach barrel that is built to spec. From all that i've heard in the hk world, murray urbach is the man when it comes to best work on these types but turnaround is very slow. I've seen some conversions done by Jayson @ IGF and heard a lot of good things and even exchanged emails a couple of years ago when I was picking up a PTR91 from a dealer in Florida that fell through (wells fargo screwed it up... long story).

THe best bet is to get the complete trigger group which has the grip, trigger, and everything. From there you still have a working rifle. Next would logically be the stock. I've been partial on the whole forward assist, but if you want a true clone you got to get that done. I saw a clone where the guy had a barrel turned to spec but was made into a 30" and had a rail welded to the top of the receiver that almost resembled a flattop ar.

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Re: PTR-91

Post by Rover » 11 Dec 2009, 08:02

This is pretty funny. I logged on to talk about my new 308 and there it is at the top of the page. :D

They're generally considered more accurate than the HK.

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