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Re: Appleseed Shoot

Post by tejohnson » 20 Apr 2009, 12:52

So, you are saying I should turn the Rifleman patch back in since I don't deserve it?

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Re: Appleseed Shoot

Post by romer522 » 20 Apr 2009, 12:58

I would probably go scoped for an appleseed. Not because i wouldn't like to shoot irons better but i that i may as well use the exact same setup i am likely to use if i ever need to hit somebody at 500 yards. It's gonna take an act of God for me not to have a gun with an optic on it.

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Post by tejohnson » 20 Apr 2009, 13:48

Here is an image of a scored target. I know I am not the best shot, and I certainly need to improve. Perhaps I will attend another one down the road, and order some targets from Fred's for practice.

This target is shot at 25 meters (82 feet), quarter shown for scale. It is harder than you might think, but I am a newb whom has had zero training.

Yes, the standing drill was really bad on my part. I offer no excuse.

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Re: Appleseed Shoot

Post by Palindari » 20 Apr 2009, 14:52

Gotta look into this... sounds fun :D

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Re: Appleseed Shoot

Post by User42 » 08 May 2009, 22:22

Well if it makes you feel any better, your scored target is a real self esteem booster for me. :laugh:
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Re: Appleseed Shoot

Post by bobapunk » 09 May 2009, 05:05

Ok, what are the 4 stages? I know standing, sitting, and prone, but you have 4 different size targets there... What is the posture for each?
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Post by tejohnson » 09 May 2009, 05:17

Standing - 10 rounds - 2 minutes
Standing to Sitting - 10 rounds w/ magazine change - 50 seconds
Standing to Prone - 10 rounds w/ magazine change - 60 seconds
Prone - 10 rounds - 5 minutes

Oh, and considering I was using a savage bolt action, those with semi-auto sure as hell better do better than I did :)

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Re: Appleseed Shoot

Post by User42 » 09 May 2009, 15:22

Yea my first thought was a bolt action would be better for that type of event, but 25 yards? I would feel fine bringing my AK.
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Re: Appleseed Shoot

Post by mickey223 » 09 May 2009, 17:13

Appleseeds are really a fun time.

Their logic of training follow's the Riflemans quarter mile, meaning hitting a man sized target at 500 yards with any battle rifle with any ammo and open sights, going back to the american revolution days.

For the first day of the event, go with a semi 22, most will use a 10/22 with techsights. For the second day, any rifle will be fine. Most shoots are 25 yards using scaled targets, depending on the range.

Lots of info on the appleseed site, and Fredsm14stocks http://www.fredsm14stocks.com/catalog/acc.asp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

has an instructors packet for $35 which is reall good.

It made me start training with 1inch squares at 25 yards, and I plan to set a 20x20 gong target up at 500 yards this summer.

The goal is not sub moa shooting, but more fast accurate mansized hits and engaging targets at greater distances up to 500 yards with iron sights.

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Post by tejohnson » 09 May 2009, 18:13

User42 wrote:Yea my first thought was a bolt action would be better for that type of event, but 25 yards? I would feel fine bringing my AK.
Simple challenge then:

Let's see them scored targets, and resulting rifleman patch ;)

Until you actually do it, you really will not have a sense for how difficult it is to shoot on someone else's terms. I really have no appreciation for the comment about the AK, or perhaps I have a poor sense of humor. A bolt action is actually harder because you are slower, and you risk messing with your natural point of aim. I felt it was a challenge, and I was there to learn.

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Post by blueorison » 09 May 2009, 23:56

I compete in NRA intercollegiate with very competitive schools; I personally (we use .22 in our Pardinis, and I've tested many different makes and grains) use Fiocchi. I shot against A&M in a match and they use Federal.

CCI minimag runs hot with a copper wash in rifles, but it groups ok if you're shooting 100 yds~.

My favourite ammo hands-down for NRA competition shooting is Dynamit Nobel. Btw, I'm the pistol captain for my college.

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Re: Appleseed Shoot

Post by User42 » 10 May 2009, 17:50

If it makes you feel any better, its not a "minute of man" ak74. I have no problem popping clays as fast as I can aim at 100 yards.
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Post by tejohnson » 10 May 2009, 19:57

User42 wrote:If it makes you feel any better, its not a "minute of man" ak74. I have no problem popping clays as fast as I can aim at 100 yards.
No. It would appear that you are likely in the service, and you presumably work with firearms for a living.

First, and foremost, I want to thank you for your service!

I will say though, the posts above feel like an insult to my attempts to learn, from someone whom has learned professionally. The "if it makes you feel any better" jabs actually make me turn red. I am certainly up for constructive criticism if anything can be interpreted from the results above.

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Re: Appleseed Shoot

Post by User42 » 10 May 2009, 20:59

Half right, but I don't work with firearms for a living. Technically I'm not even qualified with the weapons we have, too many others are higher priority for the training. My job keeps me too preoccupied to be standing security watches, and too many others don't want to stand those watches so they skimp on the training in attempt to avoid it.

That wasn't 1/2" groups (for the most part), but you definitely shouldn't be ashamed of it. Honestly I don't know how people get tiny groups without benchresting, and I have never been patient enough to attempt to put two bullets through the same hole. I shoot clays because they are more fun, and my vision isn't good enough to see a .22 caliber hole at 50 yards (yea I know they have spotting scopes, but I would rather see the round hit, than stop and check). That, and people tend to leave many more clays than they can hit.

I apologize if you felt that was an insult. If I wanted to insult you, better believe I would want to be well out of range of even that little .22 before I did so. I can count 10 holes in each stage of that target, nothing to be scoffed at. I said your target was a self esteem booster because I was playing with my AK's iron sights a few days before, and now that I know the target and scoring, I'm pretty positive I could earn the same badge. I wasn't saying that you shouldn't have earned it.
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Re: Appleseed Shoot

Post by tejohnson » 10 May 2009, 21:24

No harm at all, and no need to clarify. If I were in your shoes, they would never let me step out of the SCIF I would certainly be forced to work in.

In many ways, I want to provoke folks to go shoot and post the results. I want to understand if this is any form of a challenge for others. My vision is not the greatest either, and the targets were pretty tough for me. On the standing part, I had a piece of brass from another shooters rifle fly down my back, then progressing down into my boxers. Just an unwarranted distraction where you never know what will happen ;)

My co-worker used to shoot competitively, and it showed with his 242 (out of 250). We were the only ones that received a "rifleman" score out of all the attendees. I'm looking forward to learning more, and giving it another shot.

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Re: Appleseed Shoot

Post by blueorison » 12 May 2009, 21:42

oops sorry! I was answering in reference to this post on the .22 ammo
bobapunk wrote:Will do!

Taking 6 or 8 types of ammo to sight in the rifles on Friday.

Any tips on highly accurate ammo that is available in bulk packs?

We are going to try out CCI Blazer for the first time; I have heard good reports about it.

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Re: Appleseed Shoot

Post by moreland281 » 13 May 2009, 16:24

Cool

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Re: Appleseed Shoot

Post by bobapunk » 27 May 2009, 20:58

Some pics of my achievement!

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Re: Appleseed Shoot

Post by tejohnson » 27 May 2009, 21:16

Cool :) A tiny bit more challenging than it looks... My coworker went to another this weekend. He is considering becoming an instructor.

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Re: Appleseed Shoot

Post by blueorison » 27 May 2009, 21:24

How many yards is this at; with iron sights or using your reflex sights?

thanks :)
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