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Post by JoJo » 06 Oct 2012, 11:12

I spent Thursday sighting in my AR15 at a private range. The scope that is currently mounted is a Leupold Prismatic 1X red dot. I now realize that I need more scope for my aging eyes.
This gun is intended for self defense and MAYBE hunting if Obama wins. What is the recommended magnification for this application? I am semi retired so I have to look for the best value.

Suggestions? Burris? Vortex? Weaver? Nikon? :ponder:

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Re: Scope advice

Post by fooschnickens » 06 Oct 2012, 11:53

Really depends on what kind of distance you're looking at shooting. For general shooting a fixed 3x or 4x optic will probably do you fine out to 100yds and maybe beyond depending on how bad your vision is (I share your pain).

As far as what brand to go with, I'll let the glass experts speak on that.
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Re: Scope advice

Post by Cyberfly » 06 Oct 2012, 13:19

For durability, my favorite will always be the ACOG, but my pocketbook HATES it.
Even used ones cost a small fortune.
But if money were no object, that would be my scope of choice.
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Re: Scope advice

Post by RC57 » 06 Oct 2012, 13:36

Personally, I really like a 1X-4X zeroed at 50 on an AR. For practical shooting, you're high or low by less than 2" out to around 250. Good amount of, and decent range of eye relief that will work fine. I find 1X-1.5X to work well up close, and up to 4X works well enough for my almost 40 year old eyes out to about 250. Don't know how your eyesight compares to mine. I've tried some fixed powers, but they don't work that well for me for CQB. I have a Burris, a Vortex, and a Trijicon. Each is nice for the money, but they are obviously quite different price ranges.

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Re: Scope advice

Post by PainKillaX » 06 Oct 2012, 14:04

For your needs, I've used a 4x on man sized targets out to 500 yards. Also used a 3x RCO, gave real tight groups out at 100

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Re: Scope advice

Post by blueorison » 06 Oct 2012, 15:46

Disclaimer: I don't want to get in a pissing match with anyone, I'm just recommending what I think is best, because I have met JoJo and I think I know the purpose for which he will task his AR. I would not comment otherwise. :cya:
Cyberfly wrote:For durability, my favorite will always be the ACOG, but my pocketbook HATES it.
Even used ones cost a small fortune.
But if money were no object, that would be my scope of choice.
ACOG.

IF It is in price range. Get one used for 600-800. They have been more on the market, lately.

IF your main purpose is range use/hunting, and you do not shoot competition. A lot of people follow the competition shooters (though, they will never admit it) because the "tactical" big boys follow the competition shooters, then the fanboys and sheeples follow them. So, now you will see a lot of 1-4/1-6x optics on rifles whose owners don't even use the 1x, because their rifles are mainly sittin on nice rests at their range, shooting at static targets at 100 yds, so they are always at max magnification. Unless they are taking an ultra tactical carbine tactical advanced tactical 80000 course, then they might use that 1x at the 7 yards they mag dump at. Ask me how I know, because I see this very frequently :facepalm:

JoJo; if you are shooting practically, you don't need a 1-6x optic. Or a -20x optic. The best option is less moving parts, and less parts to move. An ACOG will get you dead on at close range on man-sized targets, and you can easily figure out your POI for it under 50 yards. You probably will be shooting 25, 50, 100+yds more than you will be shooting close 50 feet targets.

The ACOG glass is incredible clear, and you don't have to fiddle with any dials. It is very robust, and it comes with different reticles, trajectory cuts, and illumination. I have used Vortex, U.S. Optics, Swa... ok whatever. I've used more than 1 optic in more than 1 setting and I like the ACOG for what it is. I have used one to call hits at 1000 yards. It is that clear.

If you are shooting mainly at 50-500 yards, sir, I would highly recommend it. If you do not shoot handloads or match ammunition, there is not much point past 500 yards. If you do, and you are going to frequently shoot past 500 yards, I would recommend a higher magnification. The ELCAN would be my second vote, but I do not have as much confidence in it as I do with ACOGs.
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Re: Scope advice

Post by Mister Freeze » 06 Oct 2012, 15:48

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Post by jgreenberg01 » 06 Oct 2012, 17:34

Mister Freeze wrote:Eat carrots. Lots of carrots.
I tried that and my 50 year old eyes couldn't care less - they still can't see chit too much beyond 25 yards without magnification.

I'm gonna second (or third?) the ACOG. I have a 4x32 on my AR15 which makes 100 yard shots fairly easy to see. For closer targets I have a Burris FF II mounted at a 45 degree angle.

Back to the less-than-excellent eyesight - beyond 100 yards, I really need some more magnification. When I shoot at 200 yards, I can basically see that there could possibly be a house down range, so a man-sized target, not so much.

Of course you may have younger (better?) eyes so YMMV.
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Re: Scope advice

Post by Mister Freeze » 06 Oct 2012, 19:46

@ 40yrs, I've NEVER missed the 300m pop-up via irons... But I couldn't tell you where I hit him! :p
Generally, scope choice is dictated by caliber. 4x on a 5.56 is about as much as you need. ACOG's ate nice, but pricey. Not everyone needs reticle illumination.

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Re: Scope advice

Post by NLVMike » 06 Oct 2012, 20:18

Not an expert, but I tried a friends AR with a Leupold Mark 4 CQ/T and I really liked it.

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Re: Scope advice

Post by JoJo » 07 Oct 2012, 11:28

Thanks everyone. I looked at the ACOG but the price is a problem. Same time with the Leupold Mark 4 CQ/T ( I really want one). It looks like a 1x to 4X/5X is the way to go. Now to find the best value!

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Re: Scope advice

Post by flyingirish04 » 09 Oct 2012, 07:05

Honestly, if you want the most bang for your buck and don't plan on being blown up, go with the Nikon 223 scopes. The cheap version isn't bad at all, P223, but the M223 scopes are really nice and pretty decently priced. You can get a 2-8 for around 325ish, maybe less depending on your dealers buy deal. I got mine for under 300.

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Re: Scope advice

Post by Vortec MAX » 09 Oct 2012, 13:05

I second the Nikon 223 series. Decent glass for the price.

If price were not an issue, an ACOG is hard to beat.

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Re: Scope advice

Post by panzermk2 » 09 Oct 2012, 23:13

I like my Bushnell. Does not break the bank and has built in back up sights. Come in 1x and 2x.

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Re: Scope advice

Post by flyingirish04 » 10 Oct 2012, 12:29

If money weren't an issue I would have a EOTech 553 with 3x Magnifier AND a NF 2.5-10x24mm, all on Larue Quick detachers.
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Re: Scope advice

Post by JoJo » 08 Nov 2012, 14:08

If anyone is interested, I finally bought a Leupold Mark 4 MR/T 1.5-5 with a lighted reticle. Can't wait to sight it in but I hope I never really need it! No Christmas for me this year but what the hell.

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Post by jgreenberg01 » 08 Nov 2012, 14:09

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Re: Scope advice

Post by blueorison » 08 Nov 2012, 16:52

Awesome. Congratulations.
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Re: Scope advice

Post by Grantness » 08 Nov 2012, 20:34

hey greenberg, how much you think it would cost to make a prescription scope? :ponder: :laugh:

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Re: Scope advice

Post by PainKillaX » 08 Nov 2012, 22:11

Grantness wrote:hey greenberg, how much you think it would cost to make a prescription scope? :ponder: :laugh:
Tactical prescription scope!

Or prescription tactical scope!!

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