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Re: Military Sniper Rifle

Post by jgreenberg01 » 11 Sep 2012, 18:21

There's always someone better. I learned that playing competitive sports. Higher-end equipment can definitely improve one's performance however...

I had a coach that literally wouldn't let me use any of those products until after I got the basics down to the point that form was flawless using the standard stuff. After that, it was amazing what can be done with that high-end equipment.

Blue is correct, it is the shooter more than it's the equipment, but when you pair a highly-skilled individual with top-tier gear, the results can be awe-inspiring. I was similarly humbled as you were, although it was in sports (as opposed to shooting) when I played against world-class players. It truly inspires one to learn how to be better to reach that next level!
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Post by blueorison » 11 Sep 2012, 21:06

I'm too lazy and want someone to hold my hand and talk to me when I long range shoot.

Don't want to read the wind at over 3 locations, worry about baro and density, earth movement

THEN STILL HAVE TO DO ALL THE MATH FOR MY CLICKS

I DON'T LIKE MATH OK.

Level of math dislike: Asian.

Just because we're good at it, doesn't mean we like math.

Don't even go there with MOA to MIL

I pretty much have to maintain a gazillion things in my head; I just want to wait a few seconds for the beep and then go full HSLD. That's why I shoot pistol, even at 3G. Then again, I have to slow down when engaging the 100 yd 8 inch plates, but other than that, I don't have to swing around a carbine when my pistol can float like a goddess. Well, I try to make it float.

I might be old and decrepit on the inside, but when the outside matches, then I'll probably get more into long range shooting and tedious rifle/load-development. I'm also probably lying.
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Re: Military Sniper Rifle

Post by flyingirish04 » 11 Sep 2012, 22:02

That is why I cheat with drop turrets. Just tune my load, get the muzzle velocity, BC of bullet, send it in to G7 or GBP depending on which scope and they laser cut a drop turret for me. Then I just need to know my winds, elevation, and if far enough out, Coriolis Effect.

It still amazes me how quick some people can do that with a scope. It takes me a good while longer...but I am getting better.
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Post by PainKillaX » 11 Sep 2012, 22:13

blueorison wrote: I might be old and decrepit on the inside, but when the outside matches, then I'll probably get more into long range shooting and tedious rifle/load-development. I'm also probably lying.
We know you'll be rocking the untacticool HSLD wheelchair one day :laugh:

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Post by jgreenberg01 » 12 Sep 2012, 04:54

flyingirish04 wrote:That is why I cheat with drop turrets. Just tune my load, get the muzzle velocity, BC of bullet, send it in to G7 or GBP depending on which scope and they laser cut a drop turret for me. Then I just need to know my winds, elevation, and if far enough out, Coriolis Effect.

It still amazes me how quick some people can do that with a scope. It takes me a good while longer...but I am getting better.
If you really want to cheat: there's an app for that.

Strelok.

Just enter the scope, rifle, zero & bullet info. Then all you have to do is add climate #'s (from your weather app) and distance to target. You hit a button and it gives you the following info for the shot for both windage and elevation adjustments:

MOA
MRAD
Inches
Turret Clicks

There's a free version that does just about everything. For $4 and some change you can the version that will literally show you your retcle and where to hold based on the inputted data. And there's a $7 version that will add in the coriolis effect too.
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Re: Military Sniper Rifle

Post by Rapier1772 » 12 Sep 2012, 09:05

DL'd that Strelok app & trying to set it up. But what's the Temp sensitivity factor thingy?
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Post by jgreenberg01 » 12 Sep 2012, 09:29

Rapier1772 wrote:DL'd that Strelok app & trying to set it up. But what's the Temp sensitivity factor thingy?
I forgot about that. I've been playing with Strelok+, the $4 version, and Strelok Pro ($7). Neither of them has that field.

When I read an old review of the free version it said that field was:

"on how many percent the bullet speed will change at change temperature on 15 degrees." Whatever that means.

There should be an email function that will send a message to the author. I sent him a question about something else and he responded in about 8 hours.



EDIT: I found the app creator's explanation at the bottom of this page:

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Re: Military Sniper Rifle

Post by Rapier1772 » 12 Sep 2012, 10:11

Thanks. Guess I need to head back out to the range on a day w/other temp. :laugh: For now, I'll leave it at 2.
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Re: Military Sniper Rifle

Post by ShockedNKansas » 22 Sep 2012, 08:47

Just got back from a gun show and would you believe there was a guy walking around carrying an unfired Savage 110 BA Lapua on his shoulder? I didn't "pull the trigger" on it because he was wanting pretty close to top dollar for it and you never know how it was treated -- even if it wasn't fired. Once good bump to the crown and it won't hit a barn from 1000 yards.

I was very tempted though. Having this rifle unregistered via a private sale is a very good thing. I'm thinking .338 Lapua would be one of the earlier banned calibers if we ever get to that point in this country.

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Post by Cyberfly » 22 Sep 2012, 10:43

Unregistered?
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Re: Military Sniper Rifle

Post by Rapier1772 » 22 Sep 2012, 10:48

Think he means no BATFE paperwork. You know, the form you have to fill out every time you buy a gun from a dealer.

Some states allow face to face sales, no paperwork needed.
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Post by Cyberfly » 22 Sep 2012, 11:41

True, but that's not registering. That's usually just a background check, called in and they ask 'pistol or long gun'. They don't find out anything particular about the weapon itself until they receive the paperwork hardcopy which is usually just filed away.
But, whatever. He's right about one thing, FTF sale means nobody knows nothing about nothing except the buyer and seller.
Unless our draconian government decides to start doing house to house searches in the middle of the night, kicking in doors with their jack booted thugs, metal detectors in hand searching the walls and floors for any kind of hidey holes for hidden caches of weapons...then... :?: all bets are off.
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Post by flyingirish04 » 22 Sep 2012, 12:17

jgreenberg01 wrote:
flyingirish04 wrote:That is why I cheat with drop turrets. Just tune my load, get the muzzle velocity, BC of bullet, send it in to G7 or GBP depending on which scope and they laser cut a drop turret for me. Then I just need to know my winds, elevation, and if far enough out, Coriolis Effect.

It still amazes me how quick some people can do that with a scope. It takes me a good while longer...but I am getting better.
If you really want to cheat: there's an app for that.

Strelok.

Just enter the scope, rifle, zero & bullet info. Then all you have to do is add climate #'s (from your weather app) and distance to target. You hit a button and it gives you the following info for the shot for both windage and elevation adjustments:

MOA
MRAD
Inches
Turret Clicks

There's a free version that does just about everything. For $4 and some change you can the version that will literally show you your retcle and where to hold based on the inputted data. And there's a $7 version that will add in the coriolis effect too.

Yeah I have the app. Use it for some of my other rifles.
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Post by ShockedNKansas » 22 Sep 2012, 14:01

Cyberfly wrote:They don't find out anything particular about the weapon itself until they receive the paperwork hardcopy which is usually just filed away.
Some would say that having a record about a gun purchase "filed away" somewhere is a bad thing if the time comes where the U.S. Government decides to "catch up" with the world and ban firearms.

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Re: Military Sniper Rifle

Post by fd57 » 22 Sep 2012, 14:14

Look to New Orleans during Katrina. The US Government disarmed lawfully abiding citizens, stripping them of their 2nd Amendment Right.

Wherever possible purchase face to face following the laws in your state. Many firearms owners have never filled out a 4473, and have no intention of doing so. It is a record that is kept for a very long time, and it can be queried by the local law enforcement as well as federal. So when push comes to shove, those with 4473 will receive a knock on their door first. Those who purchase FTF may never receive a knock.

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Post by Rapier1772 » 22 Sep 2012, 14:17

What I have heard is that the gov doesn't get the papers, the dealer keeps them.
Even then, those same dealers say there will be a mysterious fire in the records room when they close up shop.

But yeah, having no paper trail is better.
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Re: Military Sniper Rifle

Post by ShockedNKansas » 22 Sep 2012, 15:00

The FBI knows who owns firearms. That's all I'll say about that...

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Post by Cyberfly » 22 Sep 2012, 15:27

ShockedNKansas wrote:The FBI knows who owns firearms. That's all I'll say about that...
Really? I'm curious what you base that statement on. I have friends who work in the bureau and this is news.
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Re: Military Sniper Rifle

Post by smpsmp » 22 Sep 2012, 16:14

You do know what happens to those 4473's right after the check is approved?

They sit...for 20 years. The only way they go anywhere before that is if the dealer gets investigated. We have all of ours just boxed away right now. The same goes with the disposition books you have to keep. They just sit, then filed at away at the shop once it's all filled up.

The FBI may know who has had a background check done on them, but they don't have the slightest idea if it's even a long gun or a hand gun, let alone make and model. And who's to say you didn't sell it to someone else.

And firearms aren't even under the FBI's scope of work. There's a whole other agency for that.

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Post by ShockedNKansas » 22 Sep 2012, 16:31

Cyberfly wrote:
ShockedNKansas wrote:The FBI knows who owns firearms. That's all I'll say about that...
Really? I'm curious what you base that statement on. I have friends who work in the bureau and this is news.
ShockedNKansas wrote:That's all I'll say about that...
:)

I will add one more thing; for an organization that uses/used public library book rentals as a component of determining who should be considered a threat to the U.S., the concept of a "fingerprint" existing after each and ever background check is far from absurd. However, the FBI denies keeping any records of said background checks. Take that for what you will......
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Okay, now that's really all I will say about that. I have to go outside now because I hear a helicopter.. :(

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