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Re: Military Sniper Rifle

Post by smpsmp » 10 Sep 2012, 14:49

I remember the story on the Rem 700's safety. It's a simple fix if it ever happens, and was pretty much all on older ones, and most of the 700's today come with the X Mark trigger. Of course there is much better trigger options out there in the aftermarket world for triggers.

Savage is another good choice for the money right now, and they have certainly come a very long way from 10 years ago.

Montana actions are another favorite of mine as well, but that's because I'm partial to the Winchester Mod 70 style safety.

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Re: Military Sniper Rifle

Post by toyslr » 10 Sep 2012, 14:53

Remington 700 in .308 is one of the most prolific weapons in any aresenal! The action is used in many of the premier "sharp shooter" rifle builds out there and the 700R is one of the best out of the box sub 2" rifle out there
Remington 700 has a history of problems with accidental discharge due to faulty trigger connector. Research specific model carefully before purchase. 308 is an excellent choice of caliber.
This comment is ridiculous and a overhype by Remington "hater"s, its like saying a Honda Accord or Toyota Camry are stolen more than any other car. Yea dumbass because there are three times as many on the street!! LOL....

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Re: Military Sniper Rifle

Post by Cyberfly » 10 Sep 2012, 16:26

ShockedNKansas wrote:When did my specifications change? Did I say something inadvertently? I don't plan on hunting with the rifle. I just want to hit itty bitty targets from as far away as I can plant myself and then have something that I can look at and say... badass. The Lapua round excites me because of what I read about it. It kind of reminds me of the 5.7, unusual and exotic.
Forgive me if I read too much into your post when you said:
ShockedNKansas wrote:Thanks for all the input guys! It definitely looks like the Rem 700 is the way to go. It's a great shooter and very reasonably priced. Just one thing, it looks like a typical hunting rifle -- not tactiCOOL. :(
And you are right. It does indeed look like a typical hunting rifle:
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However, you can 'tacticool' it out, just like any other rifle. You can even (if you are willing to spend the money up front) purchase them factory made in black, camo or (I may be mistaken) FDE.
However, it was this post that lead me to believe that you were also considering 'hunting rifles' that could also be used as a sniper rifle.
Considering the history of the 30.06, it is possibly the single most used cartridge for sniper rifles in modern American history until recently. But, again, I was only trying to point you in other directions that might be easier for you to shoot since you admitted to not being a practiced distance shooter. Both the 7MM magnum and the .270 are very flat distance shooters and that is why so many game hunters choose them.
That was all I was trying to say.
If I read your post incorrectly in any way, then I apologize, and will leave you to your tacticool rifle building.
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Re: Military Sniper Rifle

Post by flyingirish04 » 10 Sep 2012, 16:31

308 is ok but if you want something for distance and you don't want to go 50 size you really can beat a big 338. 338 Rem Mag is least powerful but less expensive than Lapua. 338 edge is a 300 ultra mag necked up to 338 and it just about matches Lapua if not slightly exceed it in power.

I have a full custom 338 Lapua Mag Improved 40 degrees. The gun will shoot 300 gr Bergers at over 3000 fps and has more energy at 1200 yards than a 308 does at muzzle point. And first fire forming groups were in the high 4s and low 5s (at 200 yards). Based on previous experience, full improved loads should shoot in 3s or even 2s if FF shoot that well.


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If you want something that isn't as big but still flat shooting and lethal for a deer at a 1000 yds, go with a 280 Ackley Improved

If you want to go smaller, go the 6.5x47 Lapua or 6mm Ackley Improved

If you just want to hit paper a long ways a way and group small, go the 6 Dasher Route.

Whichever way you go I recommend at the very least a trued (blueprinted) action, preferably Remington 700, and a custom barrel. Lilja, Krieger, Bartlein are the best out there. Shillen a step down but still way better than factory barrel.

If you are doing on a more cheap ticket go with a upper level Savage, tikka, or a Thompson Center. Stay away from Remington and winchester stock rifles. Some of the worst barrel QC out there. Browning and Ruger are bad too.

Weatherby is a decent hunting rig but if you want tight shooting they aren't for you. They make their rifles for hunting and looks. Rarely group in the 7s and don't hold MOA much past 600 yards. Rounds are designed to release an ungodly amount of energy in the first 500 yds which is plenty for most hunting in the world.
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Re: Military Sniper Rifle

Post by flyingirish04 » 10 Sep 2012, 16:39

Also, don't skimp on glass. Go for the most scope you can afford for your money. Personally I think Nightforce is all anyone needs. Leupold makes some fine long range scopes. Next step down I would go with Sighttron S3. Next down from that I would go Vortex Vipers. I wouldn't go lower for this type of rig.
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Re: Military Sniper Rifle

Post by flyingirish04 » 10 Sep 2012, 16:57

srt-4_jon wrote:Look at the Savage 10 line. I had one chambered in 308 in a HS precision stock until I sold it for my FN SPR. Also, what kind of distance are you thinking?
You think you wont shoot it much but what good is a $1000 rifle with $1000 glass if you put 20 rounds through a year?
That is the best beginner platform to get IMO. All other guns in that price range shoot half as well out of the box.

And stay away from the 700R. Too much money for what you get. Again, Rems barrels these days are pretty hit and miss. Great action though. I have two custom builds off blueprinted Rem700 LAs (6AI and 280AI) and working on one more on a SA (6BR)
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Re: Military Sniper Rifle

Post by PainKillaX » 10 Sep 2012, 17:09

Military sniper rifle? Springfield 1903 :D

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Re: Military Sniper Rifle

Post by flyingirish04 » 10 Sep 2012, 17:11

Nice. Racked up a ton of kills as a platform. That is for sure.
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Re: Military Sniper Rifle

Post by ShockedNKansas » 10 Sep 2012, 17:27

flyingirish04 wrote:Also, don't skimp on glass. Go for the most scope you can afford for your money. Personally I think Nightforce is all anyone needs. Leupold makes some fine long range scopes. Next step down I would go with Sighttron S3. Next down from that I would go Vortex Vipers. I wouldn't go lower for this type of rig.
I saw some Nightforce scopes going for 2,000.00!! Son of a monkey! :monkey:

The only way I'm spending that much on glass is if I have a showdown the following day with a Hodgie sniper.

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srt-4_jon wrote:Look at the Savage 10 line. I had one chambered in 308 in a HS precision stock until I sold it for my FN SPR. Also, what kind of distance are you thinking?
You think you wont shoot it much but what good is a $1000 rifle with $1000 glass if you put 20 rounds through a year?
That is the best beginner platform to get IMO. All other guns in that price range shoot half as well out of the box.

And stay away from the 700R. Too much money for what you get. Again, Rems barrels these days are pretty hit and miss. Great action though. I have two custom builds off blueprinted Rem700 LAs (6AI and 280AI) and working on one more on a SA (6BR)
Yeah, I really like the options on a few of the Savage 10's. Since I'm a noob and I may only buy one "sniping" rifle, depending on how much I like shooting it and the availability of long distance ranges in my area, I want it to have most of the stuff right out of the box.

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Re: Military Sniper Rifle

Post by flyingirish04 » 10 Sep 2012, 17:32

Buy it in 6.5 Creedmore or 6.5-284 if you go that route. Or 7mm Mag if you want to go mag route. I wouldnt get it in any other calibers. And it will be way cheaper than my rig. I know NF are expensive, but they are worth it when I have more than a blaser in my custom rifle. Putting anything less on it would just be wrong.
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Re: Military Sniper Rifle

Post by PainKillaX » 10 Sep 2012, 17:37

Or a Winchester Model 70. If it was good enough for GySgt Carlos Hathcock, it's good enough for you. ;)

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Re: Military Sniper Rifle

Post by flyingirish04 » 10 Sep 2012, 17:43

Unfortunately, Model 70s suck today. Probably one of the worst buys on bolt guns today. Barrels are not good, new trigger is pretty bad. And Hathcocks Winchester had a custom barrel on it. Big difference from stock 70. Pre-64 or not.
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Re: Military Sniper Rifle

Post by ShockedNKansas » 10 Sep 2012, 17:46

Then I think the Savage Arms 10/110 BA is the one for me. It comes in 300 Win Mag, 308 Win, and 338 Lapua Mag. Is there any reason why I shouldn't go with the 338 Lapua besides ammo availability or cost? I'm really a fanboi of the round. I checked at CTD and you can get some pretty good 338 Lapua for 2.50 a round. It looks like decent 300 Win Mag goes for just under 1.00 a round, and decent 308 Win is right under .50 a round.

How do you think the recoil would be on the Savage 10/110 chambered in .338 Lapua? Would it be ridiculous? It doesn't look too bad in the videos.

ETA: I just noticed you recommended 6.5 Creedmore, 6.5-284, or 7mm Mag, but the Savage website doesn't show it available in those calibers.

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Re: Military Sniper Rifle

Post by flyingirish04 » 10 Sep 2012, 17:55

I love the Lapua Round. Recoil wil be significant but not unshootable. I would get the model with the HS stock, not the big heavy one with all the rails and crap. Not sure Of exact model. Don't know savages well anymore as far as models. I should since I owned several and still own a few.

But honestly, if you aren't going to shoot extreme distances, I wouldn't go that route. Go the model down in one of the shorter cartridges I mentioned. It will be very accurate and cost less.

But if you want a loud, bigger and badder option and don't mind spending 3 bucks a round, the 338 is one of the finest rounds out there. If I didn't go the Imp 40 route for the custom, I was going to just go with the regular 338 Lapua instead. My 338 Lapua Imp will shoot both though so I went that route.

There are more powerful 338 cartridges out there, but none have as well designed cartridge aspects as the Lapua and none allow you to use the best components like the 338 LM or LM imp 40 do. It will cost ya though.
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Re: Military Sniper Rifle

Post by flyingirish04 » 10 Sep 2012, 18:01

ShockedNKansas wrote:
ETA: I just noticed you recommended 6.5 Creedmore, 6.5-284, or 7mm Mag, but the Savage website doesn't show it available in those calibers.
Yeah sorry, got models confused. I think the model 12 allows you to go those calibers but I'm no savage model expert, sorry.

Oh and the 300 win mag is a versatile round. I just prefer the 7mm because you can use 180 Berger VLDs. I have a friend that just retired from the Secret Service. He was a sniper for then and he said he nearly wept when they were forced to convert from the 7 rem mag to the 300 Win mag. The win may is a bit more powerful but the BC to weight ratios on the 30 cal bullets they had to use weren't as good and the rifles were heavier and shot worse in his opinion.

I tend to agree with his sentiment, knowing full well it is mainly just sentiment.
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Re: Military Sniper Rifle

Post by srt-4_jon » 10 Sep 2012, 18:17

flyingirish04 wrote:Unfortunately, Model 70s suck today. Probably one of the worst buys on bolt guns today. Barrels are not good, new trigger is pretty bad. And Hathcocks Winchester had a custom barrel on it. Big difference from stock 70. Pre-64 or not.
my fn spr is a model 70 and it shoots lights out. Cant beat a claw extractor, fixed ejector, and the best trigger in its price range.

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Re: Military Sniper Rifle

Post by ShockedNKansas » 10 Sep 2012, 18:20

http://vimeo.com/40376685

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Re: Military Sniper Rifle

Post by flyingirish04 » 10 Sep 2012, 18:46

srt-4_jon wrote:
flyingirish04 wrote:Unfortunately, Model 70s suck today. Probably one of the worst buys on bolt guns today. Barrels are not good, new trigger is pretty bad. And Hathcocks Winchester had a custom barrel on it. Big difference from stock 70. Pre-64 or not.
my fn spr is a model 70 and it shoots lights out. Cant beat a claw extractor, fixed ejector, and the best trigger in its price range.
That is a lot different than a mod 70. And I don't know what lights out is but I have seen plenty of SPRs that struggle to shoot in 7s. But the SPR has a semi custom bbl not a Winchester factory barrel. That will help a lot. But that trigger isn't the best value, even in its price range. Not even close. It's decent but for far less the accutrigger is better. Not to mention you could by a much cheaper tc or tikka and put a timney or the like and still be far less than the SPR.

Claw extractor and positive is largely a gimmick unless you are going to have to unchamber and then chamber a round with fun upside down a lot. There is a small change other actions will jam in that situation. I only see the need with a dedicated DG rifle.

But you like your SPR and if it shoots consistently under half MOA don't do a thing to it and enjoy! It isn't a bad rifle or anything. It is a good rifle for a factory premium rifle.

If it doesnt get a real stock like a HS or Mcmillian ( or one with bedding pillars) and have it bedded. If that diesnt work, get a custom bbl. or sell and start over with a Rem or custom action. I know Romer gets some groups in the 3 s with his SPR bedded.
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Re: Military Sniper Rifle

Post by srt-4_jon » 10 Sep 2012, 18:53

my accutrigger was terrible. if I closed the bolt to fast or to hard, it would trip amd I had to re cock it. Im not the only one it has happend to either. plus Im not a fan of pulling a trigger to pull your actual trigger. at least not in a bolt gun. and I was speaking factory rifle triggers.

those SPRs that struggle should be sent in. fn promises under 1moa. Im betting they were part of the bad batches of barrels.

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Re: Military Sniper Rifle

Post by flyingirish04 » 10 Sep 2012, 18:59

Shooting in the 7s is under MOA.

And that issue with accutrigger was fixed years ago. I had one of the first accutrigger models and mine did the same thing. Sent it in and it was fixed. Trust me I prefer my jewel triggers to anything. There is a brand new BR trigger out of Europe that I might try on my 6BR build. A friend of a friend just got the exclusive import rights for it. Can't remember the name. BR for the money, the accutrigger is a fine option now. And the two trigger thing isn't noticeable unless you focus on it IMO.

Old Rem 700 triggers Re excellent too if you tune them (safely) a bit. Don't like the new xmarks at all

Don't like Win triggers. Either to spongy or way to sharp. Can't get the crisp sub 2.5 pound breaks IMO.

FWIW the SPR is a great gun. Overpriced in my opinion (dont like the 308 round chambering that is. The WSM model is better value) but if you don't want the headache of a custom build it is a fine option.
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