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You ever shot TCs Icons? May be best gun for money right now. Might buy one in 6.5Creed. Get it tuned in and have for friends/family to use when the fly in to hunt yotes with me. Doesnt happen too often, but Better than the tikka I let em use now.
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I like my 12f in 6.5x284, but it's only single shot and not tactical at all. Currently looking at 6.5 creedmoor, or 6.5 x 47 Lapua as my next project.
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I don't hate Remington, but I do prefer the AR10 platform over bolt actiontoyslr wrote:Remington 700 in .308 is one of the most prolific weapons in any aresenal! The action is used in many of the premier "sharp shooter" rifle builds out there and the 700R is one of the best out of the box sub 2" rifle out there
This comment is ridiculous and a overhype by Remington "hater"s, its like saying a Honda Accord or Toyota Camry are stolen more than any other car. Yea dumbass because there are three times as many on the street!! LOL....Remington 700 has a history of problems with accidental discharge due to faulty trigger connector. Research specific model carefully before purchase. 308 is an excellent choice of caliber.
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AR series .308's aren't bad but there is a reason most shooters in the military are throwing down the M110 and going back to either bolts or M1A1's
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ARs are entirely overpriced. You need to spend three times as much for one to shoot half as well as a bolt gun. The military snipers uses the 308 simply because it is a standard NATO round. Most that can shoot at least a 300 win mag now, and even more are going to the 338 Lapua. The 308 is used more for sniper school now and closer in urban over watch missions.
If you are paying for it, you owe it to yourself to use something other than the 308, and unless you are spending 3k for a custom billet AR, you are wasting money on a gun that can't shoot MOA consistently. And won't hold it past a few hundred yards.
Sure u can fire it fast, but for precision shooting, it is not the best platform for the money. Not even close.
If you are paying for it, you owe it to yourself to use something other than the 308, and unless you are spending 3k for a custom billet AR, you are wasting money on a gun that can't shoot MOA consistently. And won't hold it past a few hundred yards.
Sure u can fire it fast, but for precision shooting, it is not the best platform for the money. Not even close.
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To with the Lapua if you are building it. More costly but much better components.jmz5 wrote:I like my 12f in 6.5x284, but it's only single shot and not tactical at all. Currently looking at 6.5 creedmoor, or 6.5 x 47 Lapua as my next project.
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Irish - I recently took my LR308 out to 500 yards for the first time. but with an el-cheapo scope. Previously the farthest range I had access to was 200 yards and it could pretty much hit a quarter consistently.flyingirish04 wrote:ARs are entirely overpriced. You need to spend three times as much for one to shoot half as well as a bolt gun. The military snipers uses the 308 simply because it is a standard NATO round. Most that can shoot at least a 300 win mag now, and even more are going to the 338 Lapua. The 308 is used more for sniper school now and closer in urban over watch missions.
If you are paying for it, you owe it to yourself to use something other than the 308, and unless you are spending 3k for a custom billet AR, you are wasting money on a gun that can't shoot MOA consistently. And won't hold it past a few hundred yards.
Sure u can fire it fast, but for precision shooting, it is not the best platform for the money. Not even close.
I am wondering what you would expect the best consistent groups to be from an AR10 at 500 yards. Now that I have decent glass and 500 yard access, I'm gonna give it a try...
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Been out to 600 yards with mine...
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I bet you could hit a quarter group a few times. Not consistently. Sorry, not a believer there based on experience. And you can of course shoot a man sized target out to 600, heck i could do that with a 556 with battle sights. Not what we are talking about. You cant shoot a 6 inch target consistently at that range. Sorry.
I have shot many AR platforms. Some of the finest like the OBR or MK11s KAC made genus in the service, that can shoot sub 5s easily. I have also shot run of the mill stock forged ARs and have hit man sized silhouettes are over 1200 yards. But not in consistent groups. No way. The guns aren't designed for that. The SR versions are capable of better than run of the mill ARs, but cost almost 2 times what a bofungus with same capabilities as an M40 would cost to build.
To say an AR platform can match a bolt platform dollar for dollar just isn't accurate. It doesn't. Sure they are cool, but you will be out distanced in every occurrence. Particularly if hamstrung by the 7.62 NATO cartridge. Now if you need a battle rifle or a medium range DMR platform, I agree, the AR platform is preferable. That is why the Mk 11 and 12 were designed.
If you want a long to extreme range precision shooter those rifles start to be marginal out past 800 yards and is why rifles like a bolt gun are still the choice. It is also why more powerful and/or more efficient chamberigs are chosen in the civilian world. I'm saying the 308 is obsolete, but darn near, in those uses. There are simply so many better options available. Even from factory rifles.
You love your ARs. Guess what I do too. They are a ton of fun. They don't replace a well tuned bolt gun though.
I have shot many AR platforms. Some of the finest like the OBR or MK11s KAC made genus in the service, that can shoot sub 5s easily. I have also shot run of the mill stock forged ARs and have hit man sized silhouettes are over 1200 yards. But not in consistent groups. No way. The guns aren't designed for that. The SR versions are capable of better than run of the mill ARs, but cost almost 2 times what a bofungus with same capabilities as an M40 would cost to build.
To say an AR platform can match a bolt platform dollar for dollar just isn't accurate. It doesn't. Sure they are cool, but you will be out distanced in every occurrence. Particularly if hamstrung by the 7.62 NATO cartridge. Now if you need a battle rifle or a medium range DMR platform, I agree, the AR platform is preferable. That is why the Mk 11 and 12 were designed.
If you want a long to extreme range precision shooter those rifles start to be marginal out past 800 yards and is why rifles like a bolt gun are still the choice. It is also why more powerful and/or more efficient chamberigs are chosen in the civilian world. I'm saying the 308 is obsolete, but darn near, in those uses. There are simply so many better options available. Even from factory rifles.
You love your ARs. Guess what I do too. They are a ton of fun. They don't replace a well tuned bolt gun though.
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jgreenberg01 wrote:Irish - I recently took my LR308 out to 500 yards for the first time. but with an el-cheapo scope. Previously the farthest range I had access to was 200 yards and it could pretty much hit a quarter consistently.flyingirish04 wrote:ARs are entirely overpriced. You need to spend three times as much for one to shoot half as well as a bolt gun. The military snipers uses the 308 simply because it is a standard NATO round. Most that can shoot at least a 300 win mag now, and even more are going to the 338 Lapua. The 308 is used more for sniper school now and closer in urban over watch missions.
If you are paying for it, you owe it to yourself to use something other than the 308, and unless you are spending 3k for a custom billet AR, you are wasting money on a gun that can't shoot MOA consistently. And won't hold it past a few hundred yards.
Sure u can fire it fast, but for precision shooting, it is not the best platform for the money. Not even close.
I am wondering what you would expect the best consistent groups to be from an AR10 at 500 yards. Now that I have decent glass and 500 yard access, I'm gonna give it a try...
With that rifle I would be surprised if you got consistent groups under 6 inches. It is possible if you somehow got lucky and got the best barrel in the factory. But it isn't likely.
I could give you a stock savage chambered in 308 that could do that all day and cost less than 1300. scoped and all.
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Okay, now that everybody's got that out of their system...
So is there anybody with a negative opinion about the following rifle for a beginner "sharp" shooter such as myself?
http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/110BA
I also posted the following video earlier in the thread with a guy using this very same rifle to hit a man-size target at one mile. Considering the lack of responses, I am assuming that isn't a big deal?
http://vimeo.com/40376685
And I know that ammo quality varies with any caliber. But CTD has 338 LP ammo for 2.50/round. Is this ammo high enough quality to have some accuracy at extreme distances?
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/2-SB34040
Also, with a rifle such as this, I am allowing a bit more wiggle room in the scope budget. I noticed the following rifle scope review rated a 300.00 Leupold as their top scope for 2012. Will this scope have enough power and quality to keep me happy (understand I am easy to please as long as everything functions correctly).
http://www.outdoorlife.com/photos/galle ... 1001355429
So is there anybody with a negative opinion about the following rifle for a beginner "sharp" shooter such as myself?
http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/110BA
I also posted the following video earlier in the thread with a guy using this very same rifle to hit a man-size target at one mile. Considering the lack of responses, I am assuming that isn't a big deal?
http://vimeo.com/40376685
And I know that ammo quality varies with any caliber. But CTD has 338 LP ammo for 2.50/round. Is this ammo high enough quality to have some accuracy at extreme distances?
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/2-SB34040
Also, with a rifle such as this, I am allowing a bit more wiggle room in the scope budget. I noticed the following rifle scope review rated a 300.00 Leupold as their top scope for 2012. Will this scope have enough power and quality to keep me happy (understand I am easy to please as long as everything functions correctly).
http://www.outdoorlife.com/photos/galle ... 1001355429
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You have the relative in house expert on the case now! Good luck :laugh: I'll just set back with my Remington 700 5-R and not be able to hit anything.
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Thanks for the input, I appreciate it. We'll put that to the test in the next couple of weeks as I will finally be able to spend some quality time with the gun. As far as hitting quarters at 200 yards, while it wasn't 100% consistent, it hit them 57% of the time. At its worst it did 1.5" groups at that range.flyingirish04 wrote:With that rifle I would be surprised if you got consistent groups under 6 inches. It is possible if you somehow got lucky and got the best barrel in the factory. But it isn't likely.
I could give you a stock savage chambered in 308 that could do that all day and cost less than 1300. scoped and all.
The first (and only) time I took it out to 500 yards, it did 3 groups ranging from 7-8.5", but that was with a blurry-as-hell, dark scope that is now gone. Immediately after that, I hit a 4"x4" exploding target on the first shot (I'm sure it was beginner's luck!). It was also my first attempt at anything over 200 yards so truthfully I wasn't expecting even those results. This is a learning experience for me.
Hopefully you hit then nail on the head and I got the lucky barrel.
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+1toyslr wrote:You have the relative in house expert on the case now! Good luck :laugh: I'll just set back with my Remington 700 5-R and not be able to hit anything.
At least it's only half the cost to not be able to hit anything.
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yes, if i had the funds that gun would already be in my safe! as far as hitting things a mile away, i would consider a big deal! at least to me anyway lol. that scope, while better than ANY scope i own (i am a cheap bastard when it comes to optics ) i would not think it was the best scope for a rifle with this much potential. as a matter of fact, i would not even use it on mine if/when i buy a .338 lapua, and like i said, i am a cheapo like that. i would run that scope on a lesser rifle no problem though ....then again i know very little about scopes.ShockedNKansas wrote:Okay, now that everybody's got that out of their system...
So is there anybody with a negative opinion about the following rifle for a beginner "sharp" shooter such as myself?
http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/110BA
I also posted the following video earlier in the thread with a guy using this very same rifle to hit a man-size target at one mile. Considering the lack of responses, I am assuming that isn't a big deal?
http://vimeo.com/40376685
And I know that ammo quality varies with any caliber. But CTD has 338 LP ammo for 2.50/round. Is this ammo high enough quality to have some accuracy at extreme distances?
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/2-SB34040
Also, with a rifle such as this, I am allowing a bit more wiggle room in the scope budget. I noticed the following rifle scope review rated a 300.00 Leupold as their top scope for 2012. Will this scope have enough power and quality to keep me happy (understand I am easy to please as long as everything functions correctly).
http://www.outdoorlife.com/photos/galle ... 1001355429
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fzr confused wrote:yes, if i had the funds that gun would already be in my safe! as far as hitting things a mile away, i would consider a big deal! at least to me anyway lol. that scope, while better than ANY scope i own (i am a cheap bastard when it comes to optics ) i would not think it was the best scope for a rifle with this much potential. as a matter of fact, i would not even use it on mine if/when i buy a .338 lapua, and like i said, i am a cheapo like that. i would run that scope on a lesser rifle no problem though ....then again i know very little about scopes.ShockedNKansas wrote:Okay, now that everybody's got that out of their system...
So is there anybody with a negative opinion about the following rifle for a beginner "sharp" shooter such as myself?
http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/110BA
I also posted the following video earlier in the thread with a guy using this very same rifle to hit a man-size target at one mile. Considering the lack of responses, I am assuming that isn't a big deal?
http://vimeo.com/40376685
And I know that ammo quality varies with any caliber. But CTD has 338 LP ammo for 2.50/round. Is this ammo high enough quality to have some accuracy at extreme distances?
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/2-SB34040
Also, with a rifle such as this, I am allowing a bit more wiggle room in the scope budget. I noticed the following rifle scope review rated a 300.00 Leupold as their top scope for 2012. Will this scope have enough power and quality to keep me happy (understand I am easy to please as long as everything functions correctly).
http://www.outdoorlife.com/photos/galle ... 1001355429
I wouldn't pick that particular model personally. I like this one http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/10FCPHS" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; better. But yours is still a very fine out of the box rifle, and very good value.
But other than that, fzr is right on. The minimum glass I would put on that is a Vortex Viper 6-24 or Sighttron SIII. I think the best for the money scope to match that is probably a Mk4 L or ER/T in 6.5-20. But understand if you want to spend less.
As far as ammo, I would stick with hand loading. Buy a hundred unfired lapua cases, and some VV N570 and some 300 SMKs or better yet Berger Hybrids, and go to town. You will be much happier. If you don't want to do that, I like the HSM 300 grain Berger loads the best of factory loads, even though they have crappy brass compared to the Lapua, BHs or Remington Match loads that use Lapua Brass.
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:laugh:toyslr wrote:You have the relative in house expert on the case now! Good luck :laugh: I'll just set back with my Remington 700 5-R and not be able to hit anything.
Don't mistake me, that is a pretty darn good bolt gun. I hope I didn't lead you to think differently. Way nicer than the SPR IMO. And FWIW, I am told that Krieger makes those barrels for Remington, just like they make a lot of the M40 barrels, along with Lilja and a few other companies. So you basically have a semi custom rifle there. Just wish it didn't have the X-mark trigger. Oh well, you can replace it with a Jewell. :thumb:
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That sounds likely for 200 yards with that rifle, 1.5 inches. Not unheard of. I notice significant MOA drift past 3 or 400. Actually see it around 500 with 5.56, barrels are stiffer than the 7.62s. Even so, I have owned exactly one AR that shot consistent MOA at 100 yards, much less 200, and I have owned six ARs (well five, and one Sig 556).jgreenberg01 wrote:Thanks for the input, I appreciate it. We'll put that to the test in the next couple of weeks as I will finally be able to spend some quality time with the gun. As far as hitting quarters at 200 yards, while it wasn't 100% consistent, it hit them 57% of the time. At its worst it did 1.5" groups at that range.flyingirish04 wrote:With that rifle I would be surprised if you got consistent groups under 6 inches. It is possible if you somehow got lucky and got the best barrel in the factory. But it isn't likely.
I could give you a stock savage chambered in 308 that could do that all day and cost less than 1300. scoped and all.
The first (and only) time I took it out to 500 yards, it did 3 groups ranging from 7-8.5", but that was with a blurry-as-hell, dark scope that is now gone. Immediately after that, I hit a 4"x4" exploding target on the first shot (I'm sure it was beginner's luck!). It was also my first attempt at anything over 200 yards so truthfully I wasn't expecting even those results. This is a learning experience for me.
Hopefully you hit then nail on the head and I got the lucky barrel.
Also remember that shooter capabilities are always more important than gear. If I may channel my inner Blue. So I will suspend my absolute doubt in your ability to shoot that tight with a stock AR.
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Thanks for being willing to suspend your doubt, but because I have virtually no experience beyond 200 yards... 500 is seriously new territory for me and I have real doubts about my ability at this point. Either way, there will be a video (in the guise of a Leupold review) for all to see the win, fail, or anywhere in between. :laugh:flyingirish04 wrote:That sounds likely for 200 yards with that rifle, 1.5 inches. Not unheard of. I notice significant MOA drift past 3 or 400. Actually see it around 500 with 5.56, barrels are stiffer than the 7.62s. Even so, I have owned exactly one AR that shot consistent MOA at 100 yards, much less 200, and I have owned six ARs (well five, and one Sig 556).
Also remember that shooter capabilities are always more important than gear. If I may channel my inner Blue. So I will suspend my absolute doubt in your ability to shoot that tight with a stock AR.
I know 500 yards is a stroll in the park for you, but for me, it's really reaching out to touch someone. Someday I will build a real precision rifle like the OP was asking about, but for now I think I'll learn the basics on my mostly-stock LR308.
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It would be a stroll with the rifles I have probably for you. They make it easier. I still try to make up for my lack of talent with good gear. That is how bad I am.
When I was at Bragg, I was very humbled in my abilities. I grew up hunting, an excellent shotgun shot always and I though a good rifle shot too. Shot Expert Pistol and Rifle my first M16 qual my 3/C Marine CORTRAMID phase. I found out I sucked when I went to the SWC and basically had to re learn (poorly) precision shooting. Luckily I was an officer and never was going to need to be behind the rifle unless things went very very wrong. But after spending some time, I thought I was very decent again.
Then I got in to reloading and custom builds, and I realized even more that I needed every advantage to keep up with my BR shooting buddies, and yet again, that I sucked at shooting compared to them. Lucky I don't like BR much, because don't know if I would ever be great at it.
Now my bug is LR Hunting. That will be what the LM Imp is for. And the great thing about BR buddies is that fundamentally, they know the ins and outs of shooting, so they are a big help with the LR Hunting.
Anyway, my point is, I shoot a lot with rifles. And I am never good enough.
When I was at Bragg, I was very humbled in my abilities. I grew up hunting, an excellent shotgun shot always and I though a good rifle shot too. Shot Expert Pistol and Rifle my first M16 qual my 3/C Marine CORTRAMID phase. I found out I sucked when I went to the SWC and basically had to re learn (poorly) precision shooting. Luckily I was an officer and never was going to need to be behind the rifle unless things went very very wrong. But after spending some time, I thought I was very decent again.
Then I got in to reloading and custom builds, and I realized even more that I needed every advantage to keep up with my BR shooting buddies, and yet again, that I sucked at shooting compared to them. Lucky I don't like BR much, because don't know if I would ever be great at it.
Now my bug is LR Hunting. That will be what the LM Imp is for. And the great thing about BR buddies is that fundamentally, they know the ins and outs of shooting, so they are a big help with the LR Hunting.
Anyway, my point is, I shoot a lot with rifles. And I am never good enough.
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There's always someone better. I learned that playing competitive sports. Higher-end equipment can definitely improve one's performance however...
I had a coach that literally wouldn't let me use any of those products until after I got the basics down to the point that form was flawless using the standard stuff. After that, it was amazing what can be done with that high-end equipment.
Blue is correct, it is the shooter more than it's the equipment, but when you pair a highly-skilled individual with top-tier gear, the results can be awe-inspiring. I was similarly humbled as you were, although it was in sports (as opposed to shooting) when I played against world-class players. It truly inspires one to learn how to be better to reach that next level!
I had a coach that literally wouldn't let me use any of those products until after I got the basics down to the point that form was flawless using the standard stuff. After that, it was amazing what can be done with that high-end equipment.
Blue is correct, it is the shooter more than it's the equipment, but when you pair a highly-skilled individual with top-tier gear, the results can be awe-inspiring. I was similarly humbled as you were, although it was in sports (as opposed to shooting) when I played against world-class players. It truly inspires one to learn how to be better to reach that next level!
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I'm too lazy and want someone to hold my hand and talk to me when I long range shoot.
Don't want to read the wind at over 3 locations, worry about baro and density, earth movement
THEN STILL HAVE TO DO ALL THE MATH FOR MY CLICKS
I DON'T LIKE MATH OK.
Level of math dislike: Asian.
Just because we're good at it, doesn't mean we like math.
Don't even go there with MOA to MIL
I pretty much have to maintain a gazillion things in my head; I just want to wait a few seconds for the beep and then go full HSLD. That's why I shoot pistol, even at 3G. Then again, I have to slow down when engaging the 100 yd 8 inch plates, but other than that, I don't have to swing around a carbine when my pistol can float like a goddess. Well, I try to make it float.
I might be old and decrepit on the inside, but when the outside matches, then I'll probably get more into long range shooting and tedious rifle/load-development. I'm also probably lying.
Don't want to read the wind at over 3 locations, worry about baro and density, earth movement
THEN STILL HAVE TO DO ALL THE MATH FOR MY CLICKS
I DON'T LIKE MATH OK.
Level of math dislike: Asian.
Just because we're good at it, doesn't mean we like math.
Don't even go there with MOA to MIL
I pretty much have to maintain a gazillion things in my head; I just want to wait a few seconds for the beep and then go full HSLD. That's why I shoot pistol, even at 3G. Then again, I have to slow down when engaging the 100 yd 8 inch plates, but other than that, I don't have to swing around a carbine when my pistol can float like a goddess. Well, I try to make it float.
I might be old and decrepit on the inside, but when the outside matches, then I'll probably get more into long range shooting and tedious rifle/load-development. I'm also probably lying.
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The shooter will always matter more than the gear ever will.
Stop relying on others to do the work for you.
Shoot more, worry less.
The shooter will always matter more than the gear ever will.
Stop relying on others to do the work for you.
Shoot more, worry less.
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That is why I cheat with drop turrets. Just tune my load, get the muzzle velocity, BC of bullet, send it in to G7 or GBP depending on which scope and they laser cut a drop turret for me. Then I just need to know my winds, elevation, and if far enough out, Coriolis Effect.
It still amazes me how quick some people can do that with a scope. It takes me a good while longer...but I am getting better.
It still amazes me how quick some people can do that with a scope. It takes me a good while longer...but I am getting better.
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We know you'll be rocking the untacticool HSLD wheelchair one day :laugh:blueorison wrote: I might be old and decrepit on the inside, but when the outside matches, then I'll probably get more into long range shooting and tedious rifle/load-development. I'm also probably lying.
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If you really want to cheat: there's an app for that.flyingirish04 wrote:That is why I cheat with drop turrets. Just tune my load, get the muzzle velocity, BC of bullet, send it in to G7 or GBP depending on which scope and they laser cut a drop turret for me. Then I just need to know my winds, elevation, and if far enough out, Coriolis Effect.
It still amazes me how quick some people can do that with a scope. It takes me a good while longer...but I am getting better.
Strelok.
Just enter the scope, rifle, zero & bullet info. Then all you have to do is add climate #'s (from your weather app) and distance to target. You hit a button and it gives you the following info for the shot for both windage and elevation adjustments:
MOA
MRAD
Inches
Turret Clicks
There's a free version that does just about everything. For $4 and some change you can the version that will literally show you your retcle and where to hold based on the inputted data. And there's a $7 version that will add in the coriolis effect too.
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DL'd that Strelok app & trying to set it up. But what's the Temp sensitivity factor thingy?
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I forgot about that. I've been playing with Strelok+, the $4 version, and Strelok Pro ($7). Neither of them has that field.Rapier1772 wrote:DL'd that Strelok app & trying to set it up. But what's the Temp sensitivity factor thingy?
When I read an old review of the free version it said that field was:
"on how many percent the bullet speed will change at change temperature on 15 degrees." Whatever that means.
There should be an email function that will send a message to the author. I sent him a question about something else and he responded in about 8 hours.
EDIT: I found the app creator's explanation at the bottom of this page:
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Thanks. Guess I need to head back out to the range on a day w/other temp. :laugh: For now, I'll leave it at 2.
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Just got back from a gun show and would you believe there was a guy walking around carrying an unfired Savage 110 BA Lapua on his shoulder? I didn't "pull the trigger" on it because he was wanting pretty close to top dollar for it and you never know how it was treated -- even if it wasn't fired. Once good bump to the crown and it won't hit a barn from 1000 yards.
I was very tempted though. Having this rifle unregistered via a private sale is a very good thing. I'm thinking .338 Lapua would be one of the earlier banned calibers if we ever get to that point in this country.
I was very tempted though. Having this rifle unregistered via a private sale is a very good thing. I'm thinking .338 Lapua would be one of the earlier banned calibers if we ever get to that point in this country.
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Unregistered?
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Think he means no BATFE paperwork. You know, the form you have to fill out every time you buy a gun from a dealer.
Some states allow face to face sales, no paperwork needed.
Some states allow face to face sales, no paperwork needed.
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True, but that's not registering. That's usually just a background check, called in and they ask 'pistol or long gun'. They don't find out anything particular about the weapon itself until they receive the paperwork hardcopy which is usually just filed away.
But, whatever. He's right about one thing, FTF sale means nobody knows nothing about nothing except the buyer and seller.
Unless our draconian government decides to start doing house to house searches in the middle of the night, kicking in doors with their jack booted thugs, metal detectors in hand searching the walls and floors for any kind of hidey holes for hidden caches of weapons...then... all bets are off.
But, whatever. He's right about one thing, FTF sale means nobody knows nothing about nothing except the buyer and seller.
Unless our draconian government decides to start doing house to house searches in the middle of the night, kicking in doors with their jack booted thugs, metal detectors in hand searching the walls and floors for any kind of hidey holes for hidden caches of weapons...then... all bets are off.
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jgreenberg01 wrote:If you really want to cheat: there's an app for that.flyingirish04 wrote:That is why I cheat with drop turrets. Just tune my load, get the muzzle velocity, BC of bullet, send it in to G7 or GBP depending on which scope and they laser cut a drop turret for me. Then I just need to know my winds, elevation, and if far enough out, Coriolis Effect.
It still amazes me how quick some people can do that with a scope. It takes me a good while longer...but I am getting better.
Strelok.
Just enter the scope, rifle, zero & bullet info. Then all you have to do is add climate #'s (from your weather app) and distance to target. You hit a button and it gives you the following info for the shot for both windage and elevation adjustments:
MOA
MRAD
Inches
Turret Clicks
There's a free version that does just about everything. For $4 and some change you can the version that will literally show you your retcle and where to hold based on the inputted data. And there's a $7 version that will add in the coriolis effect too.
Yeah I have the app. Use it for some of my other rifles.
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Some would say that having a record about a gun purchase "filed away" somewhere is a bad thing if the time comes where the U.S. Government decides to "catch up" with the world and ban firearms.Cyberfly wrote:They don't find out anything particular about the weapon itself until they receive the paperwork hardcopy which is usually just filed away.
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Look to New Orleans during Katrina. The US Government disarmed lawfully abiding citizens, stripping them of their 2nd Amendment Right.
Wherever possible purchase face to face following the laws in your state. Many firearms owners have never filled out a 4473, and have no intention of doing so. It is a record that is kept for a very long time, and it can be queried by the local law enforcement as well as federal. So when push comes to shove, those with 4473 will receive a knock on their door first. Those who purchase FTF may never receive a knock.
Wherever possible purchase face to face following the laws in your state. Many firearms owners have never filled out a 4473, and have no intention of doing so. It is a record that is kept for a very long time, and it can be queried by the local law enforcement as well as federal. So when push comes to shove, those with 4473 will receive a knock on their door first. Those who purchase FTF may never receive a knock.
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What I have heard is that the gov doesn't get the papers, the dealer keeps them.
Even then, those same dealers say there will be a mysterious fire in the records room when they close up shop.
But yeah, having no paper trail is better.
Even then, those same dealers say there will be a mysterious fire in the records room when they close up shop.
But yeah, having no paper trail is better.
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The FBI knows who owns firearms. That's all I'll say about that...
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Really? I'm curious what you base that statement on. I have friends who work in the bureau and this is news.ShockedNKansas wrote:The FBI knows who owns firearms. That's all I'll say about that...
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You do know what happens to those 4473's right after the check is approved?
They sit...for 20 years. The only way they go anywhere before that is if the dealer gets investigated. We have all of ours just boxed away right now. The same goes with the disposition books you have to keep. They just sit, then filed at away at the shop once it's all filled up.
The FBI may know who has had a background check done on them, but they don't have the slightest idea if it's even a long gun or a hand gun, let alone make and model. And who's to say you didn't sell it to someone else.
And firearms aren't even under the FBI's scope of work. There's a whole other agency for that.
They sit...for 20 years. The only way they go anywhere before that is if the dealer gets investigated. We have all of ours just boxed away right now. The same goes with the disposition books you have to keep. They just sit, then filed at away at the shop once it's all filled up.
The FBI may know who has had a background check done on them, but they don't have the slightest idea if it's even a long gun or a hand gun, let alone make and model. And who's to say you didn't sell it to someone else.
And firearms aren't even under the FBI's scope of work. There's a whole other agency for that.
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Cyberfly wrote:Really? I'm curious what you base that statement on. I have friends who work in the bureau and this is news.ShockedNKansas wrote:The FBI knows who owns firearms. That's all I'll say about that...
ShockedNKansas wrote:That's all I'll say about that...
I will add one more thing; for an organization that uses/used public library book rentals as a component of determining who should be considered a threat to the U.S., the concept of a "fingerprint" existing after each and ever background check is far from absurd. However, the FBI denies keeping any records of said background checks. Take that for what you will......
Privacy and Security of NICS Information
The privacy and security of the information in the NICS is of great importance. In October 1998, the Attorney General published regulations on the privacy and security of NICS information, including the proper and official use of this information. These regulations are available on the NICS website. Data stored in the NICS is documented federal data and access to that information is restricted to agencies authorized by the FBI. Extensive measures are taken to ensure the security and integrity of the system information and agency use. The NICS is not to be used to establish a federal firearm registry; :ponder: information about an inquiry resulting in an allowed transfer is destroyed in accordance with NICS regulations. Current destruction of NICS records became effective when a final rule was published by the Department of Justice in The Federal Register, outlining the following changes. Per Title 28, Code of Federal Regulations, Part 25.9(b)(1), (2), and (3), the NICS Section must destroy all identifying information on allowed transactions prior to the start of the next NICS operational day. If a potential purchaser is delayed or denied a firearm and successfully appeals the decision, the NICS Section cannot retain a record of the overturned appeal. If the record is not able to be updated, the purchaser continues to be denied or delayed, and if that individual appeals the decision, the documentation must be resubmitted on every subsequent purchase. For this reason, the Voluntary Appeal File (VAF) has been established. This process permits applicants to request that the NICS maintain information about themselves in the VAF to prevent future denials or extended delays of a firearm transfer. (See VAF Section below.)
Okay, now that's really all I will say about that. I have to go outside now because I hear a helicopter..
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Well, if you take some tinfoil and wrap it tightly around your head, they won't be able to read your thoughts.
Reynold wrap won't work because that is aluminum foil, it has to be TIN...with aluminum, they can transmit stuff and make you do things against your will. :monkey:
Reynold wrap won't work because that is aluminum foil, it has to be TIN...with aluminum, they can transmit stuff and make you do things against your will. :monkey:
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Just thought of another thing, shy of a multiple sale purchase for handguns, unless they actually looked at the 4473's, or the disposition books, how would they know if you bought 1 or 100 long guns in one check?
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All they know is that a check was performed. That's it, at least when it comes to just filling out a 4473. And they need probable cause and a warrant to review any particular 4473.
Now states that require registration, that is another story.
Now states that require registration, that is another story.
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Exactly. I just wouldn't think that Kansas would, which was why I originally asked 'unregistered'?flyingirish04 wrote:All they know is that a check was performed. That's it, at least when it comes to just filling out a 4473. And they need probable cause and a warrant to review any particular 4473.
Now states that require registration, that is another story.
I think had he said 'untraceable' I wouldn't have simply :thumb: .
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I found a great deal on a very lightly used Savage 110 BA Lapua with scope and bipod included. She's on her way. Another weapon to cross off my list.
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My collection is never complete. Keeps changing and growing. Maybe its because I'm never satisfied in general. Always can do better.
Anyway for a stock gun, that 110 is pretty darn good. With right load you should be able to shot in 5s no problem. I prefer the 110 FCP HS version though. Far better value than the 700 LM variants. And I say that as a past owner of one.
Anyway for a stock gun, that 110 is pretty darn good. With right load you should be able to shot in 5s no problem. I prefer the 110 FCP HS version though. Far better value than the 700 LM variants. And I say that as a past owner of one.
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