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Welp, looking for a second pistol.

Post by Drayco » 28 Feb 2013, 19:29

Due to unforseen circumstances, I'm starting to look for a second pistol. I'm not unhappy with my FsN, but I AM unhappy about across the board ammo shortages. (And I'm sure everyone knows about how hard it is to get 5.7x28mm ammo. Without that, I might as well buy one of those knives that attach to the front...)

So, first things first... Trying to decide on a cartridge platform and for that, I need some help due to a lack of experience in the field.

1: Cartridge is ideally for home/self defense.
2: Controllability and the ability to toss out follow-up shots is more preferred over a round with high-recoil that punches through BG and any walls behind them.
3: Ammo has to be reasonably easy to get.

I'm leaning towards a 9mm, but I'm HOPING that there's a round that's closer to the 5.7. (I'm not holding my breath, though.) I'm in Ohio, so I don't have to worry about New York's new anti-gun laws. (NOT talking about that here, just pointing it out.)
I'm also not in any rush, so I'm willing to take my time and mull things over for a month or three, or maybe even skip the handgun and go for a rifle. (Thinking about an FN FS2000, but that's going to be some time from now as they seem like they're quite rare by now.)
So, any advice that you guys and gals could offer would be appreciated.

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Re: Welp, looking for a second pistol.

Post by blueorison » 28 Feb 2013, 20:32

You're looking for a round that's closer to the 5.7x28mm?

Uhh... it's basically on its own, and a niche round.

Only the 7.62x25 Tokarev, H&K 4.6x30 and Armscor TCM .22 come close. And by close, I mean, not really. They might as well be other cartridges that come "close". All of the "other ones that come close" of which are custom cartridges that you need a conversion kit in pistol form to own. The second of which has ammo availability of 0, and firearm availability of 0 to anyone not a secret squirrel.

Just get a 9mm like a CZ or a Glock. They are high value and economical and will allow you to save up for ammo and/or reloading.

:)

You can always load an 80gr JHP from your 9mm to 1500 FPS and feel special about it, because it'll be close to the 5.7x28mm....

Ok, just trying to inject positive humor.

But really, you could.
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Re: Welp, looking for a second pistol.

Post by c1demo » 01 Mar 2013, 04:17

I just got a FN FS9, a little more than a Glock~ $ 560.00. It really fits my hand well. It has 3 magazines,and comes with grip inserts. 17 round magazine, perfect for home defense. I am going to get the 40 as well.

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Post by bobapunk » 01 Mar 2013, 05:46

I just pickup and FNX 9. Ammo is around, not too hard to find. .40 ammo is a lot more plentiful, at least around here.
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Post by fzr confused » 01 Mar 2013, 11:05

I can't find 9mm anywhere near me, but 40 and 45 is there (at certain stores). I really love EAA guns, very economical and they shoot amazing! I also prefer 10mm, which is similar to the 5.7 in a strange way lol.

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Post by Mister Freeze » 01 Mar 2013, 11:47

blueorison wrote:You're looking for a round that's closer to the 5.7x28mm?

Uhh... it's basically on its own, and a niche round.

Only the 7.62x25 Tokarev, H&K 4.6x30 and Armscor TCM .22 come close. And by close, I mean, not really. They might as well be other cartridges that come "close". All of the "other ones that come close" of which are custom cartridges that you need a conversion kit in pistol form to own. The second of which has ammo availability of 0, and firearm availability of 0 to anyone not a secret squirrel.

Just get a 9mm like a CZ or a Glock. They are high value and economical and will allow you to save up for ammo and/or reloading.

:)

You can always load an 80gr JHP from your 9mm to 1500 FPS and feel special about it, because it'll be close to the 5.7x28mm....

Ok, just trying to inject positive humor.

But really, you could.

.22MAG. Duh.
:p

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Post by blueorison » 01 Mar 2013, 14:16

HAHAHA

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Post by smpsmp » 03 Mar 2013, 22:19

As said before, go with 9mm. That will be the most economical.

Next closest thing will be an oddball round. Although no one mentioned 9x25 dillion. You can push an 80 grain bullet well over 2000fps out of them. Just through a comp on the end, and you should be good to go (except your ears of course).

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Post by srt-4_jon » 04 Mar 2013, 07:40

Im not sure how anyone would classify 9x25 ammo as easy to get.

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Post by Hebs » 04 Mar 2013, 22:55

Got a price range? Specific needs? (size, weight, capacity, safety features, ease of use?)




9mm or .40 cal would probably be your best option, price wise for ammo...

I'm currently using my Sprinfield Armory XD40 V10 for my Home Defense pistol. It's very accurate and the ported barrel helps with the muzzle flip. It shoots like a 9mm. They make a ported 9mm version as well.

I'd use my FN 45 tactical, but it's just too costly of a gun to leave in my night stand and in the random chance that someone robs my house when I'm gone, I'd rather they take the XD over the FN.

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Post by NLVMike » 05 Mar 2013, 00:14

Drayco, I've been watching this thread for a while, trying to figure out what it is you need and what advice might help. I am by no means an expert, but not a novice either. I don't know how to phrase this without sounding bad, but I have a LOT of handguns to choose from around here. OK, all that aside, what would I want as gun #2? Personally, I am so infatuated with it, that I have a Fiveseven as a backup to my Fiveseven. :). Also, I LOVE shooting 1911's. I have a few of those, and only the Colt Commander would make the list of possibles.

I've given it a lot of thought, and I think if the need is the gun I want in my hand to defend my house and family, it is a Ruger 22/45 Lite. I can list all the reasons, but I will stop with the top few. I can practice a lot with cheap ammo, even at today's price. It is very dependable and easy to shoot. I can stay on target. If you go to the trouble of reading the FBI white paper, the end result of lots of study is that CALIBER REALLY DOESN'T MATTER. The best gun in the world is the one you have in your hand when you need it.

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Post by Drayco » 11 Mar 2013, 19:22

Oy... Leave a topic alone for a week or so...

Yeah, should've been specific about another thing, namely ambidextrous controls. I use my left hand to shoot, so a lefty-friendly pistol would be preferred. (One of the reasons I was drawn to the FSN in the first place.) Not really concerned about CC, but an internal hammer would be preferred, along with centerfire ammo. Single-action is also preferred, as longer trigger pulls tend to throw off my aim.
Overall, I prefer being able to make multiple quick shots over one big boom that requires a lot of time to re-acquire the target.

So, making a list that I need to research...
Glock 34 (Leaning towards this one, especially since 4th gen. Glocks have reversible mag releases.)
FN FNS 9 (Internal hammer, but double action. Does this re-cock after being fired?)
FN FNX 9 (DA/SA, external ring hammer. I'd prefer this over the FNS. Any differences with an external hammer vs. an internal one?)
Springfield Armory XD40 V10 (Indeed has a ported version, and the porting is along the sides. How badly does this mess up vision after firing?)

Sorry NLVMike, but another FSN would give me the same problems as my current FSN, no ammo to be found. And if I don't have ammo, I can't practice. No practice, and I might as well have a precision engineered paperweight. (Yes, I know every gun is going to be different, but the basic skills should be about the same.) And I'd go with a .45, but I like having a high amount of capacity in those mags, and low recoil. (FSN has spoiled me on that.)

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Post by Hebs » 11 Mar 2013, 22:16

I can only speak for the XD40 V10. Outside of being sexy as hell... it fits all of your requirements. I've shot it in most light conditions. (to include pitch black just to see the flames) :) I have not had any issues with it affecting my vision in normal light conditions. You will see muzzle flash from any weapon when firing it in the dark. (if you happen to catch it and not blink and miss it.) Just make sure you don't have anything you don't want "heat treated" near the ports when you fire it is all I can add... ;)


Here's a neat lil review I found on it. (minus the ported version)

http://www.ballistics101.com/springfiel ... review.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I also share the reviewer's feelings on the grip... It feels damn good in my hand. That was definitely one of the first things I noticed about it. How good it feels in your hand. It's not for everyone, but of all the pistols that put in my friends' hands, they like the grip on the XD the most. I just wish mine had tritium sights.

Good luck on your quest.

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Post by panzermk2 » 12 Mar 2013, 00:47

CZ SP01 Shadow.
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Post by blueorison » 12 Mar 2013, 06:48

panzermk2 wrote:CZ SP01 Shadow.
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Post by flyingirish04 » 12 Mar 2013, 06:52

There is one in a local shop right now. It has those fugly gold grips and hammer though.
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Re: Welp, looking for a second pistol.

Post by Drayco » 13 Mar 2013, 20:44

blueorison wrote:
panzermk2 wrote:CZ SP01 Shadow.
:(
Okay, I'll bite. Why the sad face?

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Post by Rapier1772 » 13 Mar 2013, 20:52

My guess is because he wants one but doesn't have one.
Kind of like if I see a pic of a DSR-1 :cry:
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Post by blueorison » 13 Mar 2013, 21:28

Drayco wrote:
blueorison wrote:
panzermk2 wrote:CZ SP01 Shadow.
:(
Okay, I'll bite. Why the sad face?
You're new, but if you go back in the threads, I started a CZ thread. After that, coincidentally, 7 or more people got CZ or CZ clones in the same month. Considerably more members own CZs, now. Most of them have realized truths, and have bought more than 2. I'm not claiming credit for that; it's not like I get points I can put on a card and turn in for a pistol.

5 of them I was in contact with; one bought a CZ as his first platform on my recommendation, after speaking with him for hours and answering his questions. Then he went out and bought multiple Shadows and Customs.

The pistol that I've always wanted, before I knew about the FsN and got it as my first handgun, he bought. On my recommendation.

That's like your neighbor never having pets, and you wanting that German short haired pointer for your entire life.

Then you have a conversation with him about it, and he goes and gets one the next day.

Yeap.
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Post by panzermk2 » 13 Mar 2013, 22:07

blueorison wrote:
Drayco wrote:
blueorison wrote:
panzermk2 wrote:CZ SP01 Shadow.
:(
Okay, I'll bite. Why the sad face?
You're new, but if you go back in the threads, I started a CZ thread. After that, coincidentally, 7 or more people got CZ or CZ clones in the same month. Considerably more members own CZs, now. Most of them have realized truths, and have bought more than 2. I'm not claiming credit for that; it's not like I get points I can put on a card and turn in for a pistol.

5 of them I was in contact with; one bought a CZ as his first platform on my recommendation, after speaking with him for hours and answering his questions. Then he went out and bought multiple Shadows and Customs.

The pistol that I've always wanted, before I knew about the FsN and got it as my first handgun, he bought. On my recommendation.

That's like your neighbor never having pets, and you wanting that German short haired pointer for your entire life.

Then you have a conversation with him about it, and he goes and gets one the next day.

Yeap.

Yeah but I was on the CZ band wagon when you were still squirting carrots out looking the same as the went in. :p
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