EAA Witness Elite Match 10mm & EA Ammo...

Website · Post by **jgreenberg01** » 12 Feb 2013, 19:23

My latest handgun. I wasn't going to do a video review, but the thing is just too much fun to shoot!

Post by **blueorison** » 12 Feb 2013, 21:46

freakin fanastic.

What nut convinced you to buy the 10mm round?!

shhhh don't tell anyone I'm a closet 10mm proponent....

I commented on your youtube page about 10 times...

JoJo · Post by **JoJo** » 13 Feb 2013, 08:17

jgreenberg01 wrote:My latest handgun. I wasn't going to do a video review, but the thing is just too much fun to shoot!

Oh my Gawd. I am so distressed! Where is my grief counselor??????????????????

Mister Freeze · Post by **Mister Freeze** » 13 Feb 2013, 09:54

Happy Valentine's Day @ 7:38!

You should weigh the largest bullet fragments in your tests to see what retention there is.

Fotis · Post by **Fotis** » 13 Feb 2013, 11:03

Got one "like" it. Love it!

15 meters rapid fire. 15 shots.

PainKillaX · Post by **PainKillaX** » 14 Feb 2013, 01:34

So a 10mm is basically just the same as a .40 Super and Wonderful, right?

Post by **blueorison** » 14 Feb 2013, 01:59

PainKillaX wrote:So a 10mm is basically just the same as a .40 Super and Wonderful, right?

10mm is literally the OG.

They should call it 10 OG.

Kidding.

Post by **jmz5** » 14 Feb 2013, 05:12

Nice, Fly's book is great! The 10mm is pretty sweet too.

Post by **Cyberfly** » 22 Feb 2013, 06:44

Yeah, I felt like a tool too. Jeff posted on my FB page and asked if I had seen his review. I hadn't...having owned that particular gun, I knew EXACTLY how well it shot, so I passed it up...like a dummy! But I figured if he took the time to post a link to his review on my FB page he was up to something...a shameless PLUG for my book! LOL!! (thanks Jeff!)
Then so much had been going on here that I hadn't been able to really spend much time on the boards.
But, one thing about this particular weapon that I can't say, but I've heard others talk about and I thought I'd share. With this being a 'match' weapon, it's not really designed to be a 'combat' weapon. Meaning, if it gets too dirty, it tends to jam. I never experienced that with mine, but then, I never tried to use it as a combat weapon. It was a plinker. Simply a target shooter. I still loved it and carried it often, even used it as a duty weapon a few times, but never experienced any problems.
Does this mean it might have if it got dirty? I don't know. How dirty did the other people mean? I have no idea. They didn't go into detail. Maybe blue needs to get his hands on one and find out for us....

Website · Post by **jgreenberg01** » 22 Feb 2013, 07:15

I agree, if anyone can break a gun... it's Blue!

As far as your book goes, it wasn't a shameless plug. I have to admit that I'm a fairly jaded person and am not entertained easily by books any more. Having said that Mr. Fly, you are one helluva story teller - I literally couldn't put the book down. Now I sit here and wait for three things:

1) IWI to ship my Tavor
2) The ATF to approve my flogging tax stamp, and
C) Your next installment to come out!

:laugh:

Post by **blueorison** » 22 Feb 2013, 09:20

Cyberfly wrote:Yeah, I felt like a tool too. Jeff posted on my FB page and asked if I had seen his review. I hadn't...having owned that particular gun, I knew EXACTLY how well it shot, so I passed it up...like a dummy! But I figured if he took the time to post a link to his review on my FB page he was up to something...a shameless PLUG for my book! LOL!! (thanks Jeff!)
Then so much had been going on here that I hadn't been able to really spend much time on the boards.
But, one thing about this particular weapon that I can't say, but I've heard others talk about and I thought I'd share. With this being a 'match' weapon, it's not really designed to be a 'combat' weapon. Meaning, if it gets too dirty, it tends to jam. I never experienced that with mine, but then, I never tried to use it as a combat weapon. It was a plinker. Simply a target shooter. I still loved it and carried it often, even used it as a duty weapon a few times, but never experienced any problems.
Does this mean it might have if it got dirty? I don't know. How dirty did the other people mean? I have no idea. They didn't go into detail. Maybe blue needs to get his hands on one and find out for us....

Fly;

I can verify that the EA 10mm match does jam. When you pack an opened slide with snow and dirt.

Don't ask me how I know.

Testing, firsthand, is the only true way to find out. I did this, and all you have to do is dust the dirt off from the INSIDE top-side of your slide, and it'll function 100%. Further, any gun with an open slide with mud on the inside of the slide won't function correctly most of the time.

:thumb:

The EAA 10mm match was handed to me for testing, on that day. It isn't my gun, and I don't own it.

Post by **Cyberfly** » 22 Feb 2013, 22:35

God bless whoever invented that Wonder Finish...I friggin love it! LOL!!

Jeff, I'm glad you liked the story. I've talked to a lot of people who have read ROP, and I'm still surprised that they found it enjoyable. I think that once all of the stories are out, they'll enjoy the completed series better as they really are a back-to-back tale. I tried to leave a few loose ends in case I ever decided to revisit the characters, which...really were only beginning to become developed in the ROP and truly take on lives of their own in the next three titles. But I never really intended to go back to the Monster Squad series unless more or less FORCED to.

I've been working on Whispers for a while now and am probably half way through it. It's been a lot more fun stepping away from the MS series and doing something totally different, too. But the craziest thing happened and it sort of pissed me off...inspirations come at the strangest times and when they do, I'll let my mind run with it to see how far it will go. It hit me the other day while I was in the shower and my mind thunked up a truly kick-a$$ story, nearly from beginning to end...for a FIFTH installment to the MS series! It made me mad mainly because I didn't want to ever go back to it unless I felt that I had to. But the storyline sounded so good in my head, that I may not be able to NOT address it...
I dunno yet. Maybe I'll work on it a little off and on in between other projects. Or not at all...I dunno yet.

Website · Post by **jgreenberg01** » 23 Feb 2013, 05:32

Tease.

Oldbindlestiff · Post by **Oldbindlestiff** » 23 Feb 2013, 07:07

You guys are killing me! I feel the stirring of a latent 10mm jones. I can't buy another gun; I can't buy another .... well, maybe rice and beans would be OK for another year?!

Mr. Fly, I don't read the horror genre but the rave reviews do pique my interest.

Website · Post by **jgreenberg01** » 23 Feb 2013, 07:40

There's always room for another gun, especially 10mm.

In other news: ramen noddles can be very tasty!

NLVMike · Post by **NLVMike** » 23 Feb 2013, 10:30

Bindle, I'm going to make it even worse. I was in that same boat, trying to fight off buying into another caliber, ignoring the promptings of this forum. Then someone went into my local pawn shop (LGS) and sold them a box of 500 rounds of CCI 10mm ammo. They sold it to me for $100. Then of course I had to get a gun to go with it. I bought the EAA Witness in the Wonder finish. Dang. It is too much fun. I don't have any problem paying for full price ammo for that one.

modman · Post by **modman** » 23 Feb 2013, 13:51

When EA listed the 10mm ammo for sale :drool: I started to look for a 10mm and bought a EAA Tanfoglio Witness Hunter. :drool:

Post by **Cyberfly** » 24 Feb 2013, 00:26

Oh my...I'd LOVE to shoot the Hunter.

Oldblindstuff, trust me when I say that there are some things that are simply WORTH the sacrifice. Once you've gone 10MM, you'll wonder why you put it off so long. You can spend a TON of money and buy TOP OF THE LINE like a Dan Wesson or a Custom Shop whatsit, or you can spend a FRACTION of that amount and get an EAA Witness and THINK you paid way too little for the weapon. Seriously. When I first got mine (and yeah, she was used) it was so smooth and silky that every one of my other firearms felt like it had grit in it compared to the Witness. They were rough and stiff and...just ROUGH. The Witness Match is so smooth and satiny and silky and such an utter JOY to shoot. You won't regret it.

As for the MS series books, I don't know if I'd really call it a 'horror' genre or not. Whispers will fall into that category for sure, but, if you were one of those that was forced to sit through ANY of the Twilight movies and you wished through the entire thing that a SEAL team would just come in and start mowing down everyone, then you might like it. Not sure what 'genre' to put that in though.

Oldbindlestiff · Post by **Oldbindlestiff** » 24 Feb 2013, 09:00

Well, I've always wanted a 10MM. Maybe if I get a tax refund this year! I'll check out the Hunter, but, I suspect it is out of my reach at the moment.

Post by **blueorison** » 24 Feb 2013, 21:12

RUH ROH

MOVEMENT STARTED.

Post by **Cyberfly** » 25 Feb 2013, 14:46

Hunter or Witness, either one will make you converted.
So sayeth the KONA!

PainKillaX · Post by **PainKillaX** » 25 Feb 2013, 16:42

I WANT A 10MM.

Post by **panzermk2** » 25 Feb 2013, 23:45

PainKillaX wrote:I WANT A 10MM.

No you need one, just sayin.

fd57 · Post by **fd57** » 26 Feb 2013, 05:27

No, you want a .41magnum. Stronger ballistics than the 10mm.

Plus, in these times of ammo shortage you won't have to chase your brass unless you're cycling the DAE 44/41 pistol.

Post by **panzermk2** » 26 Feb 2013, 12:35

fd57 wrote:No, you want a .41magnum. Stronger ballistics than the 10mm.

Plus, in these times of ammo shortage you won't have to chase your brass unless you're cycling the DAE 44/41 pistol.

My 10mm matches 41 mag. Just sayin.

fd57 · Post by **fd57** » 26 Feb 2013, 18:21

Anything the 10mm can do the 41mag can do

Anything the 41mag can do, the 10mm cannot do.

The 41mag can push heavier bullets, can push bullets faster, and projectiles penetrate deeper than 10mm bullets.

Just sayin'.

PainKillaX · Post by **PainKillaX** » 26 Feb 2013, 18:24

Can the .41 fit in a poly compact?

Post by **blueorison** » 26 Feb 2013, 18:32

ALL THIS DOESN'T MATTER

BECAUSE I CAN PISS FARTHER THAN ALL OF YOU

AND THROW MY SUB-MOA ROCKS EVEN FARTHER

Website · Post by **jgreenberg01** » 26 Feb 2013, 18:34

blueorison wrote:ALL THIS DOESN'T MATTER

BECAUSE I CAN PISS FARTHER THAN ALL OF YOU

AND THROW MY SUB-MOA ROCKS EVEN FARTHER

And if that doesn't work, I can piss ON the rocks then throw it at you! :p

Post by **Cyberfly** » 26 Feb 2013, 20:36

FOR THE WIN!

fd57 · Post by **fd57** » 26 Feb 2013, 21:41

Heck yeah the .41 can fit in the palm of yer hand (there are some 41magnum snubbies that are small)!

NLVMike · Post by **NLVMike** » 05 Mar 2013, 16:27

The Hunter and the Elite Match Pro are both on GB right now with little time left. What to do, what to do....

Please tell me one of y'all are bidding so I have an excuse. I really should keep that money in a jar for some unforeseen expense, like, uh, yeah...

SHEEPDOG · Post by **SHEEPDOG** » 05 Mar 2013, 19:36

blueorison wrote:RUH ROH

MOVEMENT STARTED.

I think your late to the game. But glad to hear about your movement.

(Remember someone whining about shooting EA 10mm rounds)

I'll stay with 1911's. :p

Post by **blueorison** » 05 Mar 2013, 20:06

SHEEPDOG wrote:
blueorison wrote:RUH ROH

MOVEMENT STARTED.
I think your late to the game. But glad to hear about your movement.

(Remember someone whining about shooting EA 10mm rounds)

I'll stay with 1911's. :p

OHHH

I got my butt handed to me.

NLVMike · Post by **NLVMike** » 27 Mar 2013, 21:47

I picked up 500 rounds of 10mm ammo today off backpage for $200. That ought to last a good day in the desert.

myersc57 · Post by **myersc57** » 18 Feb 2014, 15:35

I am with you on the 10mm, I have a Witness Match, Compact and the Hunter, Damn fine pistols and shoot like shown in the picture in the forum. My hunter consistently holds 2" or less groups at 15 yards. It has the same horsepower as a .41Mag. Enjoy your as I do mine.

Fotis · Post by **Fotis** » 25 Feb 2014, 01:36

The 10mm rocks!

Post by **blueorison** » 25 Feb 2014, 17:10

It sure does, and so does the fun recoil.

myersc57 · Post by **myersc57** » 25 Feb 2014, 17:39

I say what recoil, I gave up shooting my FNP-45 Competition at matches for the 10mm, my hand no longer hurts after a day of shooting. Just saying, I have large meat hooks. :-)

Post by **blueorison** » 25 Feb 2014, 18:59

myersc57 wrote:I say what recoil, I gave up shooting my FNP-45 Competition at matches for the 10mm, my hand no longer hurts after a day of shooting. Just saying, I have large meat hooks. :-)

There is no recoil shooting factory 10mm.

That's why you have to load 200PF, usually 220PF to have fun.

Website · Post by **jgreenberg01** » 26 Feb 2014, 06:24

blueorison wrote:
myersc57 wrote:I say what recoil, I gave up shooting my FNP-45 Competition at matches for the 10mm, my hand no longer hurts after a day of shooting. Just saying, I have large meat hooks. :-)
There is no recoil shooting factory 10mm.

That's why you have to load 200PF, usually 220PF to have fun.

I've been shooting some of the EA stuff, and the recoil is pretty light if you ask me. At least that's based on the perception I had after reading what many said to expect.

Post by **blueorison** » 26 Feb 2014, 18:24

LOL

In the heavier guns they fare better, it's more of a push than a snap.

However, they are snappy as heck out of a lighter commander-sized gun.

NLVMike · Post by **NLVMike** » 31 May 2014, 16:06

I finally found a way to satisfy several itches at once. I got the Rock Island Arms 1911 in 10mm. It's a serious 1911, without having to shell out the coin for a Dan Wesson or a Colt Delta Elite. I know, worthless without pics. I just tried to log in to my Imageshack account, only to discover that it isn't free anymore. I have to pay to keep using it. I will figure this out and get pics up soon.

Post by **panzermk2** » 01 Jun 2014, 14:07

Cool I have been eying one of those for a few months now

Post by **blueorison** » 01 Jun 2014, 14:53

panzermk2 wrote:Cool I have been eying one of those for a few months now

I HAVE BEEN EYEING MORE THAN YOU

ALL MY EYES

ALLLLLLL OF THEMMMMMM :p

Armscor is the only 1911 that probably won't jam out of the box under intense shooting

STI, Kimber (ew), SIG (ew), Eddie Bau... er Ed Brown, Les Mis...Baer, etc etc... even Dan Wesson.

NLVMike · Post by **NLVMike** » 02 Jun 2014, 18:43

Well, that was a PITB, figuring out how to post from Photobucket.
This gun shop out in Pahrump, NV has a pretty serious relationship with Armscor, as they developed the 22tcm round for them. When Armscor goes out to the SHOT or NRA show, these guys clip the firing pins on the display guns before they go. When they get back, they put a new firing pin in, replace the recoil and mainsprings with 20# and 24#, and tune everything so it runs perfect. Then, of course, sell it to me. At least this one. Range report coming soon.

NLVMike · Post by **NLVMike** » 04 Jun 2014, 22:03

I give up on the photos. I have read the posting instructions over and over, and I just can't get it to work. Bummed, because I took a lot of photos of the targets for my range report. Anyway, without photos, let me describe a pretty nice evening at the range. On Wednesday and Thursday evenings, they started turning on the lights and keeping the range open till 10:00 pm. It's over 100 in the day, so I don't know why they don't do every evening. Rant....
I brought along my 5.7 IOM for a baseline. Also brought the RIA 10mm and three types of ammo. I had 50 rounds of aluminum cased CCI blazer, 50 rounds of very cool nickel case UMC, and 50 rounds of some reloads I picked up.

First, at 7 yards, the 5.7 with SS197SR just made a mess of the bullseye, as usual. I shot 14 rounds of each 10mm load (before I discovered the mag holds 8). About the 5th mag in, I had one Blazer fail to chamber all the way, but that was solved with just a touch to the back of the slide. No other failures of any type in 150 rounds. At 7 yards, the groups were about 5 inches with all three ammos. The reloads were noticeably lower powered, and more fun to shoot, and more accurate.

I moved the targets out to 20 yards. I also switched to AE 5.7 ammo in the IOM, which always doubles the size of my groups. They spread out to 5 or 6 inches. The 10mm groups got a couple inches looser, but still pretty reasonable.

Downside. The bottom edge of the mainspring housing does not fit smooth like it should. It will be easy to fix, but in the meantime it chewed up my hand a bit. The VZ grips are also a little like petting a porcupine, made worse by the 10mm horsepower. I will be grinding the MSH and switching to a smoother grip.

Overall, thrilled with the gun.

Post by **blueorison** » 06 Jun 2014, 17:20

Sweet!!!

Thanks for the range report and pointers.

I prefer ss195 to 197 to AE. 197 used to be damn accurate, then it kinda went downhill.

However, most of my FsN shooting (unlike my 9mm shooting) is under 25 yds (ironic, considering the ballistics of the round vs 9mm) versus 100 yds and beyond with the 9mm, so I don't mind AE.

I have 1000 rounds of ss195 I traded a gun for, which I think I'll post for trade for ss197 or AE on value.

10mm out of my Glock 20 stock bbl gets me about 2-3 inches at 25 yds with handloads. I'm still trying to figure out how Underwood is loading their Noslers so accurately; I tried loading up some Nosler 10mm and it shoots all over. Probably have to go with Dillon/RCBS dies instead of Lee. Iono.

NLVMike · Post by **NLVMike** » 08 Jun 2014, 21:11

I am pretty close to giving up. I upload photos on other forums all the time without any problem, but just can't seem to get it to work here. I'd like to post a couple of photos of the gun and the targets.

With the 10mm, it was interesting to me that I shot better groups with the milder reloads. I don't feel like I was flinching with the hotter loads, but maybe so.

I have a few rounds left of old brown box ss192. It is the most accurate of anything I have shot. The 195 was similar but not quite as tight as the old 192. I shot up all the 195 so that I wouldn't have to consider the storage life of lead free primers. I have been shooting the 197, which is pretty accurate, but with a much lower POI than the 192/197. I made the mistake of picking up 1,000 rounds of AE. I am shooting through it just for the heck of it, but it is hard to tell you what the POI is, as the groups are much bigger. It also jams in my PS90 once in a while, and I can't recall ever having a jam with FN ammo.

Post by **Rapier1772** » 08 Jun 2014, 21:52

I just posted some pics, no problems - it was glitchy for a couple of days but seems back to normal now. Have you tried manually entering the sizes using the img2 tags?
Or just post the webpage address link & I'll see if I can fix it

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