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 Post subject: Re: Cz vs glock
PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:13 am 
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I have a Q for the Glock fans.
My wife was looking at some Glock accessories online and she ran across a 'guide rod' laser?? I guess I never really paid attention to all of the stuff that is available for Glocks but apparently (I think it was Lasermax?) you can replace your guide rod with an internal laser. Supposedly stays true since it replaces your guide rod and is parallel to the barrel.
Do any of you have experience with this thing?
She is really excited and wants a setup like this but I don't want to invest the $$ into a Glock plus $330 for the laser if the combo is garbage. I'd just as soon get her a set of lasergrips (if CrimsonTrace will ever got off their hiney and make it for her SR9!).



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 Post subject: Re: Cz vs glock
PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 2:10 pm 
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Cyberfly wrote:
I have a Q for the Glock fans.
My wife was looking at some Glock accessories online and she ran across a 'guide rod' laser?? I guess I never really paid attention to all of the stuff that is available for Glocks but apparently (I think it was Lasermax?) you can replace your guide rod with an internal laser. Supposedly stays true since it replaces your guide rod and is parallel to the barrel.
Do any of you have experience with this thing?
She is really excited and wants a setup like this but I don't want to invest the $$ into a Glock plus $330 for the laser if the combo is garbage. I'd just as soon get her a set of lasergrips (if CrimsonTrace will ever got off their hiney and make it for her SR9!).


Yeap.

Crimson Trace also made models that were integrated into your Glock, with a switch at the heel of the pistol. Super great system. Now it's a collectors item. But it's still my favourite laser setup, aside from the guiderod system. I don't use lasers, usually, day or night. I think it has its place, though.



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 Post subject: Re: Cz vs glock
PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 4:01 pm 
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I've always been curious to know how reliable the lasermax guide rods are for how much abuse they take in the gun. I wouldn't mind getting one just try and see how long it takes till I manage to break it.


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 Post subject: Re: Cz vs glock
PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 2:29 am 
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I snuck into GlockTalk forums just to get their take. Seems its sorta split. Some LOVE it, others HATE it. Couldn't find but one 'range report' and it wasn't great. The others were just more like 'I have one and its fantastic'.
Would really like to hear from someone who has long term experience.
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 Post subject: Re: Cz vs glock
PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 3:22 am 
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Cyberfly wrote:
I snuck into GlockTalk forums just to get their take. Seems its sorta split. Some LOVE it, others HATE it. Couldn't find but one 'range report' and it wasn't great. The others were just more like 'I have one and its fantastic'.
Would really like to hear from someone who has long term experience.
Anybody?


What do you mean it wasn't great? Did it break? I never really saw the guiderod lasers being adopted... by ANYONE. So it must've been bad of a failure.

If even the tactical fanboys give up on a laser, you know it must be bad.



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 9:13 am 
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I've only seen 2 guide rod lasers. Both in Glocks. Both guys were very excited when they first got them. They look good they're pretty accurate, but they both broke in less than a year. I think the first one lasted about 6 mos. Keep in mind these guys are at the rang at LEAST once a week, and they put a couple hundred rounds down range every time they're there so if it's not going to be fired regularly all the time it would be alright. It does have it's advantages low profile, holsters ect. If you choose a Glock I'd suggest spending money on the barrel first. If you like 9mm you can get a Glock 20sf (10mm), and from Lone Wolf, you can get a .357 sig drop in barrel. You can also get the 10mm barrel, and .40 barrel. I like the 6" threaded ones myself. All you have do is pull out one barrel, and drop in a new one. they use the same mag and everything. This way you can use what ever you want for SD, and you can shoot what ever's cheapest at the range. Anyway good luck.


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 Post subject: Re: Cz vs glock
PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 9:41 am 
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Eric T wrote:
I've only seen 2 guide rod lasers. Both in Glocks. Both guys were very excited when they first got them. They look good they're pretty accurate, but they both broke in less than a year. I think the first one lasted about 6 mos. Keep in mind these guys are at the rang at LEAST once a week, and they put a couple hundred rounds down range every time they're there so if it's not going to be fired regularly all the time it would be alright. It does have it's advantages low profile, holsters ect. If you choose a Glock I'd suggest spending money on the barrel first. If you like 9mm you can get a Glock 20sf (10mm), and from Lone Wolf, you can get a .357 sig drop in barrel. You can also get the 10mm barrel, and .40 barrel. I like the 6" threaded ones myself. All you have do is pull out one barrel, and drop in a new one. they use the same mag and everything. This way you can use what ever you want for SD, and you can shoot what ever's cheapest at the range. Anyway good luck.


Eric, it's not that simple.

You do have to change out parts, and the magazines are different. Also, it might not shoot the same point of aim. Just a warning.

Unless you've tried this, and it works, then you somehow have a magic gun!



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 Post subject: Re: Cz vs glock
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That's why I said the Glock 20 specifically it's the only one that works on. So I guess you could say yes the 20 is a magic gun. It only works with those 3 though anything else you do have to get a conversion kit, But when you think about the 10mm, .40, and .357 sig all use basically the same brass so no problems with extraction or anything like that.


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Ohh, but the barrels do have to be after market longer barrels as the Glock 20 is a longer frame. Standard Glock barrels won't work because there too short. I also think you can get a .357 sig or a .40 then get the opposite standard Glock barrel, and that's supposed to work, but I haven't actually seen that one in person.


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 Post subject: Re: Cz vs glock
PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 4:51 pm 
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I was always concerned with guide rod lasers since like I said that's a lot of force its taking. Not just worried about it loosing its POA, but with breaking under the stress. I look at it this way, if the CTC grips die or fail, you still have iron sights (same holds true for anything rail mounted), but if the guide rod laser breaks, then the gun is out of commission right then and there. Same reason why I stick to steel aftermarket guide rods and not tungsten, yes tungsten adds a little more weight to the front, but it's way to brittle to have me put faith into it.

Eric T,
Pretty much any gun in .40 can be converted to .357sig with a barrel change (assuming there is factory or aftermarket barrels for it of course). The parent casing is the .40 (.357sig is just a hair longer), so everything still matches up with the breech face, and you use the same mags. The FNP40 mags are even stamped .40S&W and .357SIG.


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 Post subject: Re: Cz vs glock
PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 6:20 pm 
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blueorison wrote:
Cyberfly wrote:
I snuck into GlockTalk forums just to get their take. Seems its sorta split. Some LOVE it, others HATE it. Couldn't find but one 'range report' and it wasn't great. The others were just more like 'I have one and its fantastic'.
Would really like to hear from someone who has long term experience.
Anybody?


What do you mean it wasn't great? Did it break? I never really saw the guiderod lasers being adopted... by ANYONE. So it must've been bad of a failure.

If even the tactical fanboys give up on a laser, you know it must be bad.


Blue,

I think he meant the quality of the range report was not that great, not the laser itself (excuse me if I am misinterpreting your post fly)!

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 Post subject: Re: Cz vs glock
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You read correctly. Sorry. I should have explained better.



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 8:04 pm 
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I think it's not worth it just reading it it seems very niche and unreliable. It's very tacticool but you don't want to throw your money into something that's not going to be durable and fully reliable. Thats my take I'm all about what can go wrong will.


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I'm kind of the same way.
I read from some that it's very durable and long-lasting. Others say it won't last 40 or 50 rounds. Was hoping to get real world result from people I know here. Apparently nobody here has tested it themselves and at $300+, I'm not willing to be the guinea pig.
Think I'll try to find a Crimson Trace grip laser that will fit for her. Unfortunately, they don't make anything for her SR9 and I'm not wanting to switch her out to the SR9C. For something like a guide rod laser, IF it worked, I'd invest in the weapon and the system for her. But without knowing if it worked, I don't wanna head down that path.



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 Post subject: Re: Cz vs glock
PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 9:46 pm 
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Eric T wrote:
That's why I said the Glock 20 specifically it's the only one that works on. So I guess you could say yes the 20 is a magic gun. It only works with those 3 though anything else you do have to get a conversion kit, But when you think about the 10mm, .40, and .357 sig all use basically the same brass so no problems with extraction or anything like that.


You said, "if you like the 9mm you can get a Glock20sf". That's why I assumed you meant you could drop in the bbl for the 9mm and not have to adjust anything. :)

I do like that cool fact about the 3 other calibers. Too bad the euro glocks in 9x21, 9x23 aren't that available in the U.S. ...

You could shoot 9x19mm with factory ammunition and handload for the x21, x23. Then there wouldn't be as much a need for the SIG, at all. Though, the bullet constructions are different... so it's not a correlation/causation thing... the SIG is a much more applied round with data to back it, just because velocities and physics on paper looks the same, it doesn't mean they will perform the same... :)



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 Post subject: Re: Cz vs glock
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blueorison wrote:
Eric T wrote:
That's why I said the Glock 20 specifically it's the only one that works on. So I guess you could say yes the 20 is a magic gun. It only works with those 3 though anything else you do have to get a conversion kit, But when you think about the 10mm, .40, and .357 sig all use basically the same brass so no problems with extraction or anything like that.


You said, "if you like the 9mm you can get a Glock20sf". That's why I assumed you meant you could drop in the bbl for the 9mm and not have to adjust anything. :)

I do like that cool fact about the 3 other calibers. Too bad the euro glocks in 9x21, 9x23 aren't that available in the U.S. ...

You could shoot 9x19mm with factory ammunition and handload for the x21, x23. Then there wouldn't be as much a need for the SIG, at all. Though, the bullet constructions are different... so it's not a correlation/causation thing... the SIG is a much more applied round with data to back it, just because velocities and physics on paper looks the same, it doesn't mean they will perform the same... :)


Sorry I meant because .357 sig is a lot like a hot 9mm, but with other barrels he could have more options. I know a little off topic, but I thought it might be an option for him.


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 Post subject: Re: Cz vs glock
PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 5:03 pm 
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I vote for CZ joe!

But I'm not biased or anything....

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Showoff!!! :p Beautiful collection bro!! I own a SP01 and would like to buy a couple more when some money magically appears in the gun fund :D GET THE CZ JOE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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 Post subject: Re: Cz vs glock
PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:09 am 
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I vote for CZ joe!

But I'm not biased or anything....

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Where did you get the threaded barrel for your CZ?


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:38 am 
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Had Tornado Tech thread the factory bbl. I think it was $150 and that included a thread protector. They currently only offer the service on sp01 or other cz with .550 bbl (75b uses .502 diameter). I still would like get threaded bbl for the 75b but can't find one since efk quit making them.

To cencalsplicer. Maybe I am showing off, but notice I said 'family collection'. What you are seeing is a combo of my guns, my stepdads & my wife's p01


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