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.22 TCM

Posted: 04 Dec 2011, 08:50
by ChiefJohn
Discussion of the new Fred Craig .22 TCM and 1911 pistol that will also handle 9mm with the additional barrel and spring (included). While I have no regrets on purchasing my FiveseveN, the factory support of this caliber for the civilian community is weak. Fred, at Atomitronx http://atomitronx.com/index.html, in conjunction with Armscor http://www.armscor.com.ph/home.htm have produced a winner with the .22 TCM -- with the included 9mm barrel/spring. Just my opinion folks -- we'll see how the two calibers compete in the future.

Re: .22 TCM

Posted: 04 Dec 2011, 09:54
by Buffman
Caliber has been discussed in length a little bit here. They make no mention whether or not velocity is achieveable with other bullets besides their own. Not to mention ammunition cost is $5-6 more per box than SS197SR. There is already ammo available that does the same velocity as the .22 TCM. Lets not forget you're using a 1911 firearm that weighs 38 ounces UNLOADED, to the 5.7s 26 ounces fully loaded. It's nice you can order a 9mm barrel to go with it, but I see no advantage of the .22 TCM over the 5.7 :)

Re: .22 TCM

Posted: 04 Dec 2011, 10:58
by ChiefJohn
The 9mm barrel/spring is included in the estimated $720 range. According to the recent article in the "American Handgunner", .22 TCM Micro-Mag ammo is $20 box of 50, $350 per case of 1,000. Custom reloading is available for $12.50 a box (customer brass).

Re: .22 TCM

Posted: 04 Dec 2011, 11:51
by Buffman
I'm pulling prices right off the manufacturer's website..

Re: .22 TCM

Posted: 04 Dec 2011, 11:53
by panzermk2
For starters lets look at their bullet and just how limited you are. You can only use their 80+ year old left over 22 Hornet bullet. Do to length issues you can't even use the 30gr V-max bullet.

Velocity is irrelevant since our 40gr load matches theirs from a shorter barrel.

Also as a PDW round the supper short soft point bullet with a squared sectional density (Think I just made up a new term) beyond 50 yards I can't help but speculate just how inaccurate this short bullet will be.

Re: .22 TCM

Posted: 04 Dec 2011, 12:15
by flyingirish04
Yeah, I don't think this brings anything to the table as far as the 5.7 goes. I am not an FN fanatic, and I can see that.

Re: .22 TCM

Posted: 08 Dec 2011, 19:37
by jnomad66
Does anyone know when this product will actually be available?

Considering that it can switch between 9mm and .22 tcm, would it be posssible to switch calibres in other guns with a barrel change? Because If I could buy a reasonably priced conversion barrel for a CZ 9mm I would be all over this calibre.

Re: .22 TCM

Posted: 08 Dec 2011, 19:40
by srt-4_jon
i just posted in a thread that they are hitting the streets now.

Re: .22 TCM

Posted: 08 Dec 2011, 19:56
by nrv216
jnomad66 wrote:Does anyone know when this product will actually be available?

Considering that it can switch between 9mm and .22 tcm, would it be posssible to switch calibres in other guns with a barrel change? Because If I could buy a reasonably priced conversion barrel for a CZ 9mm I would be all over this calibre.

I mean you could convert just about any gun to a smaller caliber and make it work but I doubt that armscor is making barrels to convert other platforms to their proprietary (and unproven) round. Basically if you wanted to throw a lot of money into having a CZ converted to .22tcm you could. But I have not yet heard of anyone mass producing conversion kits.

nrv216

Re: .22 TCM

Posted: 14 Jan 2012, 15:35
by Valorius
It would make far more sense to produce a 1911 that fires 5.7x28mm IMO.

Re: .22 TCM

Posted: 20 Jan 2012, 20:49
by f3rr37
Valorius wrote:It would make far more sense to produce a 1911 that fires 5.7x28mm IMO.
The 1911 grip doesn't have enough room to fit the length of the round. :(

Re: .22 TCM

Posted: 20 Jan 2012, 20:59
by nrv216
Hey fuzzy,

Your new ferret picture has a big butt! I just posted a reply in the other thread about the .22 tcm pistol. Would it be more appropriate here?

nrv216

Re: .22 TCM

Posted: 20 Jan 2012, 21:04
by f3rr37
nrv216 wrote:Hey fuzzy,

Your new ferret picture has a big butt! I just posted a reply in the other thread about the .22 tcm pistol. Would it be more appropriate here?

nrv216
lol, big butt? Ok...

It is fine in either thread, if you want me to move it here just let me know.

Re: .22 TCM

Posted: 21 Jan 2012, 12:40
by NLVMike
I stopped by the Armscor booth at the SHOT show to handle the TCM. You may recall that I took some photos of it last year at the SHOT show and posted them up here for a little discussion. This year my first question was, "are they shipping?" They were emphatic that the full size had been shipping for about a month. They also had a commander sized TCM on display that they claim would be shipping soon (?). The gun comes with a 9mm barrel and spring. The mags are a standard Para 9mm mag, but they have been modified for the TCM. The front edges of the feed lips have been cut down. The TCM mags will still work for 9mm, but the 9mm mags will not feed TCM. No one else is producing the TCM ammo, but they are a pretty big ammo manufacturer and can likely keep up with demand if it takes off. If you love the 1911 platform and want a 40 grain, 2,000 fps projectile, this is the one. I love both the 1911 and FsN platforms, but I would not consider the TCM a direct competitor. The gun is steel and heavy, and the cartridge is decidely low-tech. Doesn't mean I wouldn't buy one. I mean really, I'm already stereotyped as a 22 mag guy; I shoot an FsN....

Re: .22 TCM

Posted: 21 Apr 2012, 09:26
by Errackeleo
The Baron's Den in Eugene Oregon had a few of these. I've always considered RIA/Armscor a little cheap. I know nothing of their quality or reliability, but I am considering buying one of these just to compare it to my FN.

Re: .22 TCM

Posted: 21 Apr 2012, 12:31
by panzermk2
Errackeleo wrote:The Baron's Den in Eugene Oregon had a few of these. I've always considered RIA/Armscor a little cheap. I know nothing of their quality or reliability, but I am considering buying one of these just to compare it to my FN.


RIA/Armscor 1911's are like the Norinco 45's of the early 90's. Good platforms to build a nice 45. I bought one for my brother in law. Fit sucked, finish was pretty good parts where junk. So pitched everything but the frame, slide and barrel. Replaced everything with a combination of Wilson and Kings custom parts.

22 TCM biggest issue is and will be bullet limitations. The 5.7x28 can easily match ballistics but with much better bullets. BOZ would smoke it.

Re: .22 TCM

Posted: 08 Jun 2012, 18:31
by Buffman
I wonder if the bullet limitation is coming into play. I see .22TCM can be had from Armscor in 36gr, but it's 200 fps slower than the 40gr SP they sell...

22 TCM

Posted: 03 Sep 2012, 16:47
by cHaMeLeoN352
Anyone have or used one of these?

It is an interesting little cartridge, with a velocity of over 2000 ft/s... in a 1911 platform!

I imagine that it would be even more devastating out of a rifle.

Comes with a spare 9mm replacement barrel as well. Two guns in one!

All for around $600
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What do you guys think?

Re: .22 TCM

Posted: 03 Sep 2012, 17:10
by Rapier1772
Merged...

Re: .22 TCM

Posted: 24 Sep 2012, 01:12
by ripcity
It's very tempting, especially at that price.